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Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Dan,

Thank you for describing your system with such detail.  Your experience and that from Brian from Delos were very helpful to me as I was upgrading Ipanema to Lithium.
Here is my experience, with a few differences in case they are helpful to others:

We are still in Curacao waiting for Cartagena’s opening.  While we waited, and well aware that my 3 yearl old AGM's were on their last weeks, I decided to do the Lithium upgrade (8 Battle Born 100 aH)  plus installation of a new 5 kW inverter (Victron) and a 100 amp battery charger Mastervolt that I had purchased before I left Boston a year ago. 
- The swaping of the batteries was a piece of cake except for the work of getting out the old AGM's. 

-  I buught the inverter alone instead of the combo because I already had purchased the 100 amp charger and because this helped me to avoid the issue of 50-60 Hz that one has to deal while in most marinas of North and South America; given that the inverter charger automatically connects shore power to the 220 V circuit of the boat, it makes dangerous to inadvertently were to use any of the 3 appliances that will be damaged by 60 Hz. For this purpose I left the 2 kW inverter installed to provide power to these appliances with an extension cord  if I am running on shore power.  
-  I installed a 5 kW Victron inverter on the bulkhead next to the navigation table.  This not only kept the inverter dry and cooler than in the engine compartment, but it also minimized the cable size (distance) to the batteries.  
-  Even so, because of the high power of the inverter, they recommended two 1/0 cables per pole.  These 4 huge cables, plus the cables that came from my old installation of a 2 KW  220v 50 Hz inverter and 2 KW 110V 60 Hz inverter, plus the cables coming from 2 solar controllers and the wind generator (all mounted above the inverter), plus the circuit breakers for all of the above,  made the space of the two large switches next to the batteries into a  spaghetti of cables with very little room for anything else.  The good thing was that I did not have to pass heavy gauge cables from the battery box to the engine compartment.  All I had to do was to make four small openings on the bulkhead below the inverter to pass the 4 DC cables and one 3 cable AC 30 amp cable into the spaghetti box that lead to the battereies via the two large switches.
- What was particularly hard was passing the  220 V cable from the inverter into the engine compartment.  Just drilling the hole was a nightmare because of the small space under the passage to the aft cabin that carries the DC cables to the engine compartment, and does not have enough space to use a drill.  Once the whole to the engine compartment was made, making sure that the cablesand  tubes were not damaged, passing the 220V cable was also hard because of the insulating foam and the large number of cables that run up and down in that wall of the engine room.  
- However,  once the cable was passed, the connection of the inverter  220V output to the boat AC circuit was a piece of cake as it just required adding a third outlet to the 220v white box that is used to connect either the 220 V shore power directly or the 110v to 220v transformed source (see pix below).  In this way,  all the AC 220 v outlets and appliances of the boat could be energized with the inverter without rewiring anything.  Just unplug from the 220 V shore power and plug into the outlet from the inverter.
-  Obviously, one should never attempt to charge the batteries using the inverter, unless one wants to break thermodynamic laws. 
- One advantage of this set up is that upon
 turning on the generator, the existing Amel relay automatically switches the 220 v input to the generator from what ever outlet it was connected.  Alternatively one can connect the circuit to the shore power by simply changing the outlet of the white box, but one has to be aware of the 60-50 Hz issue with the washing machines and the microwave oven.  

  

Using this setup and lithium batteries/inverter as a source of power, I tested the microwave, the washing machine, the water heater, and one of the air conditioners (one appliance at a time of course).  The air conditioning, ended up drawing about 50 amp from the battery bank, which means that it can only be used for a few hours if one needs to cool the room before going to sleep or for reducing the humidity.  I still need to test how much current the water-maker will consume, but I know that it should work because I have ran it with the shore power, which is limited in power.  I will report if it works out as soon as I leave the marina.

Below are a few pix illustrating the location of the new devices. 

 

 5 kW Inverter plus the original 2 2kW inverters above it (110 v 60 Hz in front and the 220V 50 Hz behind)  The first inverter is used for finiki  110 V tools and Bose sound equipment,  ant the second is exclusively used when connected to shore power with 60 Hz to run the 50 Hz appliances which are disconnected from the boat's outlets and connected to an extension cord.  I don't expect to be doing this much since I hope to be completely depending on solar and wind power. 

 


T
he new MasterVolt 100 amp Bat Charger was mounted in front of the Amel 110V-230V transformer, to the side of the Mastervolt 60 amp charger that I had installed to replace the original 50 amp charger 10 years ago.  I left the original 30 amp charger as a backup but inactive since I used its cables to connect the 60 amp charger and the cables from the 60 amp charger to connect the 100 amp charger.  It worked like a charm as 160 amps produced by these chargers were accepted by the lithium batteries.  With the AGM's the charging current rapidly dropoed bellow 30 amp making it a long process to charge them with the generator.

 

 

This is the 220V white box plus the third outlet.  Onduleur is the name in french for inverter!



Again, thanks to Brian, Dan and Bill for their input and suggestions and I hope this can be of help to others.


Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Curaçao


Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

Jose Venegas
 

The price looks great! !! What kind of warranty do they offer?
I are they selling the US?

José
Ipanema SM768
CuraçAI


Maramu #162 for sale

smiles bernard
 

Hello all

Our wonderful Maramu is up for sale 


Ashore in Plymouth UK and ready to go anywhere 

 All details available on request

All the very best

Miles


Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

 

FYI, I have seen some scary teardowns of Lifepo4 batteries from China. This is not to say that they all are bad. Some are great. My point is to be careful and research these as much as possible. There are some YouTube teardowns available to look at. I took the still shot below from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3QCeWFDys

Not only was this one thrown together, but it also had no internal circuit breaker. When it has a problem it will simply meltdown or catch on fire.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 4:37 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Wow ,Willem !

   Your experience and these prices suggest a tipping point.  (We have just renewed our lead acid batteries in Greece for Euros 210 each......)
   You might be starting a stampede.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada Greece

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Willem Kroes <kavanga@...>
Sent: 24 October 2020 09:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387
 
Sorry, I forgot to mention the name of my boat:

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 Kavanga
Now in Marina dir Ragusa for the winter period 2020-2021


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 



Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
Heinz Stutenbāumer
Dachdeckermeister


Am 24.10.2020 um 16:52 schrieb "heinz@..." <heinz@...>:


Hello 
My Bimini was made by a sailmaker in Greece. 
She also made the bimini for a friend of mine, also a SM 2000 but we added windows to the front. You just have to lift the frame a bit. You only have to raise the two stands 10 cm higher - these are only 2 new holes on the side so that you can continue to use the old frame. not visible from the outside. 
We took Sunbrella in sand colors. No problems so far. I can send you the mail address off the sailmaker if you want. Your Hull No. Is next to mine I have 292. 
Greetings Heinz 
SY Quetzal 


Am 24.10.2020 um 15:36 schrieb Cathy & Guillaume via groups.io <carpathia3@...>:

If it can be of any help, attached are some photos I received from Maxime @Amel a few months ago showing their bimini and rear extension.

The reference numbers he gave me where:

Ref amel 3204 :Capote avec fenêtre SM2000 (Bimini)
Ref amel 2114 :Extention de capote SM2000 (=taud d’hiver)
(rear extension) 


This is made by a company in Souillac, France.

Not sure myself about this design: does the sloping rear panel prevent stowing a normal size tender on the aft deck?  Seems to have forgotten the genoa sheet passages?

A question for those who have used Sunbrella (with coating inside): is it watertight enough after a few years? Does it lose its shape?  Do you recommend it?

Guillaume
Carpathia III - SM2K #293
<De Amel - capote_complète SM 2000.doc>

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Hello 
My Bimini was made by a sailmaker in Greece. 
She also made the bimini for a friend of mine, also a SM 2000 but we added windows to the front. You just have to lift the frame a bit. You only have to raise the two stands 10 cm higher - these are only 2 new holes on the side so that you can continue to use the old frame. not visible from the outside. 
We took Sunbrella in sand colors. No problems so far. I can send you the mail address off the sailmaker if you want. Your Hull No. Is next to mine I have 292. 
Greetings Heinz 
SY Quetzal 


Am 24.10.2020 um 15:36 schrieb Cathy & Guillaume via groups.io <carpathia3@...>:

If it can be of any help, attached are some photos I received from Maxime @Amel a few months ago showing their bimini and rear extension.

The reference numbers he gave me where:

Ref amel 3204 :Capote avec fenêtre SM2000 (Bimini)
Ref amel 2114 :Extention de capote SM2000 (=taud d’hiver)
(rear extension) 


This is made by a company in Souillac, France.

Not sure myself about this design: does the sloping rear panel prevent stowing a normal size tender on the aft deck?  Seems to have forgotten the genoa sheet passages?

A question for those who have used Sunbrella (with coating inside): is it watertight enough after a few years? Does it lose its shape?  Do you recommend it?

Guillaume
Carpathia III - SM2K #293
<De Amel - capote_complète SM 2000.doc>

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292


Altinator change VP TMD 22 B

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hallo, everyone
anybody have any experience with the change the altinator 
24 V.60 AH on a bigger one mybe 
110 AH and if so, which light machines were used?
 
The engine is a Volvo Penta TMD 22 B
1998
 
Thank you, Elja
SM Baloo
222
 


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

Cathy & Guillaume
 

If it can be of any help, attached are some photos I received from Maxime @Amel a few months ago showing their bimini and rear extension.

The reference numbers he gave me where:

Ref amel 3204 :Capote avec fenêtre SM2000 (Bimini)
Ref amel 2114 :Extention de capote SM2000 (=taud d’hiver)
(rear extension) 


This is made by a company in Souillac, France.

Not sure myself about this design: does the sloping rear panel prevent stowing a normal size tender on the aft deck?  Seems to have forgotten the genoa sheet passages?

A question for those who have used Sunbrella (with coating inside): is it watertight enough after a few years? Does it lose its shape?  Do you recommend it?

Guillaume
Carpathia III - SM2K #293


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

scentstone
 

HI Karen

I perfectly agree with that ! These days SMs tend to be changed in RVs ;-)

We shouldn't forget that the have to remain light and not changed in Xtmas trees for fast and great sailing passages in light or strong winds.

That said we love to discover all the community members arrangements 

Fred

Sailing Vessel ScentStone

SM2k #375


Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Wow ,Willem !

   Your experience and these prices suggest a tipping point.  (We have just renewed our lead acid batteries in Greece for Euros 210 each......)
   You might be starting a stampede.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Willem Kroes <kavanga@...>
Sent: 24 October 2020 09:01
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387
 
Sorry, I forgot to mention the name of my boat:

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 Kavanga
Now in Marina dir Ragusa for the winter period 2020-2021


Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

Willem Kroes
 

Sorry, I forgot to mention the name of my boat:

Best regards,

Willem Kroes

SM#351 Kavanga
Now in Marina dir Ragusa for the winter period 2020-2021


Re: LiFePO4 Conversion on sv BeBe - SM#387

Willem Kroes
 

Hello, all Amelians who are considering to replace the lead/acid-batteries by a LifePo4 bank,

I did this by importing 8 100Ah 12V LifePo4 batteries in January 2018. So now I have 3 seasons of experience with these batteries. I am more than satisfied. Of course, I had to change the charging characteristics of the 60 A charger (Mastervolt) which I reprogrammed by myself and that of the 70 A alternator. A Mastervolt dealer removed the internal controller and connected an external charge controller (Alpha Pro) with a temperature sensor attached to the alternators house.
The batteries were, because of the internal BMS-modules slightly higher than the original ones. I had only to take a little of the wooden bar attached to the lid of the compartment. This was all!

The company I bought the batteries from has sent me a few days ago an update on the pricing: 
 

"Hello Willem ,

12v 100ah lifepo4 battery here below is price.

 

1.Lifepo4 battery type
2.with plastic hard case,black color
3.size is 330*170*220mm
4.weight 12.5kg
5.rated voltage 12.8v
6.charge end off voltage 14.6v
7.dischage cut off voltage 10v
8.with pcm and work with 10-100A max current
9.with screw/nut
10.lead time 15-25 days


USD 238/ 1 pc exw price ,base on USD@CNY 6.7, for individual use;

USD 259/ 1 pc exw price ,base on USD@CNY 6.7, for series use,from 24V-48V ;

Will you use each 12v 100ah battery seperately or series together ?

 

 
yours sincerely,

Angel Xiao

SHENZHEN BKT ELECTRONICS CO., LTD 

Tell 75528329396"


Re: C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Gary Silver
 
Edited

I can confirm what Eric has said about their being residual oil / emulsion in  the bottom  of the C-drive.  I use a 60 ml irrigating syringe with a short piece of tubing inserted thru the drain plug hole to suck this residual solution out  of this area.  The tubing usually has a natural curve to it from being coiled and will go naturally into the lowest part of the C-drive.  By cutting the tubing on a bevel on the lower portion  of the  tube I can usually suck out at least 120 ml of residual solution.  I then use solvent to flush the area using the same tubing and again aspirate as much as I can.  Lastly,  I use a surgical "tail sponge"  inserted thru the drain plug hole to "dry" this "sump" area.  A long piece of lint free material would serve the same purpose.

Gary S. Silver, M.D.
s/v Liahona
on the hard in Puerto Del Rey Marina,  Puerto Rico


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

Karen Smith
 

Everybody uses their boats differently, and no one solution is right for everybody. We have only once taken our bimini off (for hurricane prep) and we fold ours down for "open cockpit" sailing ALL the time--virtually every night on passage, many cloudy days, and always for close quarters maneuvering, or anchoring, or just to watch the dolphins play.  If we are moving, our dodger is folded down probably 30% of the time.

This is one of the things we love about the original Amel dodger design.  It gives one of the most protected cockpits out there, and in less than 30 seconds, can change to be completely open to the world. Nothing would ever get us to trade away sailing topless under the stars.  Even our side curtains are rarely installed outside of a driving rainstorm.  For us, they just get in the way.

It's not the "right" solution, except for us.

Bill & Karen
sm160
s/v Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

Thomas Kleman
 

One "pearl" (I feel like someone may have trademarked that word)......there are many ways to get the clearance you need to make a forward facing window. One is to re-weld all the bars (hassle). Another is merely to move the forward bar up the channel 4 inches (the two others will just sit at a higher angle.....and you have the clearance with no welding. The Bimini no longer folds neatly but in 10 years of ownership I've never had occasion to fold it up and sail in an open cockpit. Leaving the boat, I can quickly remove the Bimini, side, and extension anyway.

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422
SV L'ORIENT
Oahu, waiting to go back to FP


Re: New autopilot for Mango

Arlo
 

Oops...thanks!


Re: New autopilot for Mango

Arlo
 

 Thanks thats exactly the point of view picture I was looking for.  Has anyone else done this with the  b&g hydraulic rams? Looking at options


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

Stephane Thomaso
 

hello 
I am interesting to see more about your bimini , could you send a photo because I don't understand clearly what you describe !  thanks

Le jeu. 22 oct. 2020 à 15:54, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> a écrit :
We are full time live-aboards so it might be different for you but I would strongly recommend adding a zip out window panel forward. It makes a huge difference (especially for the unlucky soul who sits on the starboard side). It also gives you another option when deciding about eating/hanging out outside in terms of the wind or rain.

Also, not sure what the Amel supplied unit is made of but we've been super happy with the sunbrella product with the plastic inner layer. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Super Maramu Bimini

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

I agree, Amel bimini is a bit has been ... I prefer the Sunbrella fabric mtch more modern colors and especially with the zippers on the bars which allows disassembly for wintering and in addition the budget is more reasonable ...

JLM s/v CottonBay


Le 23/10/2020 à 03:45, Marina Burmaka via groups.io a écrit :
Karen,

We received the bimini from Amel in June. The sides cost extra and are not included with just bimini.
Additional, it was surprise for us, new bimini doesn't have the zippers for the tubes. So you have to remove the tubes to be able to change the bimini.
If I knew what we get I would not order from Amel.

Sv 'Life is good'
Marina


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 6:19 PM, CW Bill Rouse
Karen,

If it is the same I bought from Amel, it will have the two side panels and the tonneau cover included.

I found that the Amel OEM is superior to anything else I have found. It will routinely last 12 years and sometimes 18 years.

It fit perfectly with only 1 turnbuckle attachment for the side panel not aligning.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:22 PM Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Our bimini fabric is worn and needs replacement. This is cheaper than we could find locally.  The quote from Amel is for 1 914,19  Euros plus shipping and taxes, with delivery in 6 to 8 weeks. I am certain it will be of higher quality than we could have made locally! If you have the original tubes and set up, you might consider this!

Karen Smith and Bill Kinney
Harmonie SM #160
Annapolis, Maryland


Re: Marina di Ragusa

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Jeff, 

Had a very enjoyable winter stay in MDR.  I fully echo Bill Rouse’s comments.

If you have work done on your boat, consult the many live aboard for good workers; they are not all equal.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, OPUA, NZ


On 23 Oct 2020, at 20:17, Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode@...> wrote:

I suggest to better go to Kalamata, Greece. Much less Covid and a very safe marina with all suppliers within a few steps by feet.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

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