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Re: winterizing the watermaker

Arnold Mente
 

Hi,

DESALATOR SAYS:

FREEZING CONDITIONS: If the boat stays in a very cold region, please take a bucket containing 8 litres of warm fresh water mixed with one glycerine litre (you will find it in a drugstore) and let the seawater inlet hose suck up the mixture by starting the watermaker without pressure. You should then empty the flow meter tube on the control panel by blowing into the blue hose connected to the membranes. In normal winter conditions, only empty the flow meter tube and use the sterilizing cartridge ST2.

Arnold
SV Zephyr
SM203


Am 27.10.2020 um 20:17 schrieb Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...>:

Hi all,

We have the 60L/hr, 24V-only Dessalator.  Following the great instructions from past threads on this subject, we've successfully winterized the raw water side with pink antifreeze.  But none of the threads we've found have gone into detail on how to winterize the fresh (product) water side of the system, and we can't figure it out.  We disconnected the product water fittings near the end of the tubes, but little water came out.  I suspect the control panel tubes drained, but the membranes did not.  Also, I still see water inside the flow meter and pressure gauge.  Do any of you know how to drain these and/or replace the fresh water with antifreeze?

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Salem, MA, USA



--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Credit when credit is due

Porter McRoberts
 

I have to agree completely. On so many issues. 
The after sales support from Amel is mind bogglingly good. 
Thierry rocks. He’s bailed us out of so many situations, expeditiously and courteously. 

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Oct 27, 2020, at 3:29 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Amel is ranked above all other boat builders in terms of supplying parts to boats built 20+ years ago. I agree and it is one of the reasons that Amel owners support Amel and have given Amel this special reputation. This special reputation sells new Amels and will allow Amel continued success. It is in the BEST interests of all Amel owners to support Amel SAV and all of the people that support us every day. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:46 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I cannot begin to tell all of you how impressed I am  with Amel and particularly Thierry.

They never fail to surprise me..

Last night Monday about 1-2 AM I wrote to Thierry at Amel with my tale of woe with my bow thruster.

Around 10:30 AM I received Thierry's offer for a new gear set for my bow thruster.

I accepted and sent him my card info- I just assumed that it was late in the day Monday and POSSIBLY my parts would go out Tuesday .

I sent an email to Thierry earlier tonight asking when he expects to ship my parts. He sent me a note just now saying 

he was driving to work and that the parts were sent out MONDAY. He said he would give me the tracking info when he gets to the office.

For those of us who try a work around of Amel spares. Please bear in mind the incredible support we receive from 

Amel.. They cannot afford to stock our parts and provide us with such exceptional support without our support.

GREAT JOB AMEL --- THIERRY

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite


Navpod at the helm installation

Arlo
 

Hello all. I will be installing a Navpod at the helm in the next week and aside from clearance on my traveler (far left of photo) and trying to preserve visibility to 3 or 4 of my raymarine instruments on the dash, does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share regarding placement? Picture attached....


winterizing the watermaker

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,

We have the 60L/hr, 24V-only Dessalator.  Following the great instructions from past threads on this subject, we've successfully winterized the raw water side with pink antifreeze.  But none of the threads we've found have gone into detail on how to winterize the fresh (product) water side of the system, and we can't figure it out.  We disconnected the product water fittings near the end of the tubes, but little water came out.  I suspect the control panel tubes drained, but the membranes did not.  Also, I still see water inside the flow meter and pressure gauge.  Do any of you know how to drain these and/or replace the fresh water with antifreeze?

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Salem, MA, USA


Re: Volvo 12v alternator

 

Mike,

I am not sure if the following applies to the Volvo 12v alternator, but it applies to the Yanmar 12v alternator:

There is an unused tachometer output wire on all SM Yanmar 12v alternators. See the photo below. Please let me know if yours is the tachometer wire.

Also, possibly there is an issue with the "excite circuit." The alternator will self-excite at higher rpm. Try revving the engine in neutral to 1800 rpm.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:28 AM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Lost output from 12 V alternator. Doing initial  trouble shooting  trying to understand the function of the short yellow wire which arises from near the voltage regulator and is not connected to anything else at the female terminal end. Should it be? And to what?


Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240






Volvo 12v alternator

Mike Ondra
 

Lost output from 12 V alternator. Doing initial trouble shooting trying to understand the function of the short yellow wire which arises from near the voltage regulator and is not connected to anything else at the female terminal end. Should it be? And to what?


Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240


Re: Amel parts

 

Rob, contact SAV@... for a new motor and gearbox.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 8:38 AM Rob Smith <robfromcornwall.1966@...> wrote:
Hi 

I'm after a new motor and gearbox for my outhaul, can you help please?

Kind regards 

Rob

S/Y FORESIGHT 
SM #152

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 20:43 Bill Shaproski, <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I ordered some parts from Amel last week and they arrived two days later.  
Regards
Bill

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 12:02 AM Elaine Leishman via groups.io <leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone on the forum know whether Amel is open for business at the moment, or on summer holidays.  I have emailed Maud at sav@... for availability for some parts and have had no response.
Thanks,
Elaine SM2000 Nebo No. 251


Re: Amel parts

Rob Smith
 

Hi 

I'm after a new motor and gearbox for my outhaul, can you help please?

Kind regards 

Rob

S/Y FORESIGHT 
SM #152

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 20:43 Bill Shaproski, <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I ordered some parts from Amel last week and they arrived two days later.  
Regards
Bill

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 12:02 AM Elaine Leishman via groups.io <leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone on the forum know whether Amel is open for business at the moment, or on summer holidays.  I have emailed Maud at sav@... for availability for some parts and have had no response.
Thanks,
Elaine SM2000 Nebo No. 251


Re: Credit when credit is due

 

You guys produced some great videos.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Further to our story - see this Maldives video around 16mins 40secs in... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZxA7qzbTY

--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Credit when credit is due

 

Amel is ranked above all other boat builders in terms of supplying parts to boats built 20+ years ago. I agree and it is one of the reasons that Amel owners support Amel and have given Amel this special reputation. This special reputation sells new Amels and will allow Amel continued success. It is in the BEST interests of all Amel owners to support Amel SAV and all of the people that support us every day. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:46 AM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I cannot begin to tell all of you how impressed I am  with Amel and particularly Thierry.

They never fail to surprise me..

Last night Monday about 1-2 AM I wrote to Thierry at Amel with my tale of woe with my bow thruster.

Around 10:30 AM I received Thierry's offer for a new gear set for my bow thruster.

I accepted and sent him my card info- I just assumed that it was late in the day Monday and POSSIBLY my parts would go out Tuesday .

I sent an email to Thierry earlier tonight asking when he expects to ship my parts. He sent me a note just now saying 

he was driving to work and that the parts were sent out MONDAY. He said he would give me the tracking info when he gets to the office.

For those of us who try a work around of Amel spares. Please bear in mind the incredible support we receive from 

Amel.. They cannot afford to stock our parts and provide us with such exceptional support without our support.

GREAT JOB AMEL --- THIERRY

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite


Re: Credit when credit is due

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Further to our story - see this Maldives video around 16mins 40secs in... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZxA7qzbTY

--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Credit when credit is due

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for recognizing Thiery and the factory like this. I will concur with your appreciation of Thiery, Maud, and the entire Amel factory team in relation to how they care for Amel owners, even though some of our boats left their factory so long ago.

We had the exact same experience with Thiery and the factory team in April 2018. We were in a very remote part of the Maldives Islands, about to sail for Chagos, Rodrigues, and then cross the Indian Ocean, when we had to replace the entire leg of our bow thruster. At that time I got Thiery and Maud on our satphone (whilst the factory was under significant pressure to get 55's out) and learned that they had zero spare Super Maramu 2000 bow thrusters in stock. Long story short ... Thiery arranged everything, even stopping a busy section of the factory to prioritize making us a complete fresh new thruster then urgently air freighted it into Male for us, all in 3 weeks, along with a new underwater fitting tool and required spares so that I could replace the thruster in the water in a remote atoll!!

What a champion Thiery is, and this goes to the very heart of the entire Amel philosophy of superior Quality and Customer Care! At the time Island Pearl II (2001) was already 16 years old, and yet Amel factory was still prepared to prioritize our job at our time of real need, with weather windows closing, our overdue Chagos stay window diminishing,  and the prospect of crossing the often dangerous Indian Ocean with a hole where the thruster should be! You could simply imagine how appreciative we were as a month later we hit 3 wild days mid-Indian Ocean of 55kts winds and white out conditions with 6m swells between Chagos to Rodrigues. 

Bravo Amel! Also, since this was our 7th cruising yacht, from experience with other well known brands, we know for absolute certain that none of the other manufacturers would have done this for a client on a 16 year old boat under her 2nd ownership! Simply amazing stuff from an amazing company!

Although we have since sold, and are land-based working for the next 5 years, we will certainly be back!

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Ex SV Island Pearl II
Brisbane, Australia

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:46 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I cannot begin to tell all of you how impressed I am  with Amel and particularly Thierry.

They never fail to surprise me..

Last night Monday about 1-2 AM I wrote to Thierry at Amel with my tale of woe with my bow thruster.

Around 10:30 AM I received Thierry's offer for a new gear set for my bow thruster.

I accepted and sent him my card info- I just assumed that it was late in the day Monday and POSSIBLY my parts would go out Tuesday .

I sent an email to Thierry earlier tonight asking when he expects to ship my parts. He sent me a note just now saying 

he was driving to work and that the parts were sent out MONDAY. He said he would give me the tracking info when he gets to the office.

For those of us who try a work around of Amel spares. Please bear in mind the incredible support we receive from 

Amel.. They cannot afford to stock our parts and provide us with such exceptional support without our support.

GREAT JOB AMEL --- THIERRY

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Problem with bowthruster

Willem Kroes
 

Hello Eric, Thierry and Paul,

October 2018, I had the same problem with the bow thruster and I ordered the kit from Amel. The mechanic of the Ascar boatyard in Cartagena (Spain) complained that the new endcap did not fit well. In any case, the holes were not on the same spot. Therefore he used the old endcap. After using the bow thruster not more than 12 times it failed again in the spring of 2019. Same problem as before. I sailed to Preveza in Greece and looked for a mechanic who was familiar with Amel boats and with the Amel bow thruster. I found such a mechanic at the Aktio boatyard (Mr Markus). With the Amel special tool, I managed to get the foot on to the deck and took that to the Aktio boatyard. The conclusion of Mr Markus was that there was too much play on the gears and the mechanic in Spain failed to check this. According to Mr Markus, it was not a problem to use the old endcap, but then shims were needed to get the amount of play down. After communication with Maud on this, she came back to me after consulting the Amel technicians, and they confirmed that with the old endcap, shims had to be used. So I ordered, with a small discount Maud granted me, another kit for the bow thruster foot. Mr.Markus told me the new endcap included with this kit was deeper inside than the old cap and therefore, reducing the amount of play to be within the margin of tolerance. In the new endcap, the holes were right on the spot.

So, it seems that there was a difference between the endcap as part of the kit they sold before when the boat was in Spain and the endcap as part of the second kit.

I think this is an important point to check with Amel before ordering a new kit.

Best regards,

Willem Kroes
SM2K#351 Kavanga
Marina di Ragusa
Italy
   


Credit when credit is due

eric freedman
 

I cannot begin to tell all of you how impressed I am  with Amel and particularly Thierry.

They never fail to surprise me..

Last night Monday about 1-2 AM I wrote to Thierry at Amel with my tale of woe with my bow thruster.

Around 10:30 AM I received Thierry's offer for a new gear set for my bow thruster.

I accepted and sent him my card info- I just assumed that it was late in the day Monday and POSSIBLY my parts would go out Tuesday .

I sent an email to Thierry earlier tonight asking when he expects to ship my parts. He sent me a note just now saying 

he was driving to work and that the parts were sent out MONDAY. He said he would give me the tracking info when he gets to the office.

For those of us who try a work around of Amel spares. Please bear in mind the incredible support we receive from 

Amel.. They cannot afford to stock our parts and provide us with such exceptional support without our support.

GREAT JOB AMEL --- THIERRY

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite


Re: 24 v main switch

Randall Walker
 

This is the correct way to do charging units. I will attach a link to some of the most informative info on the web.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:28 AM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, 
I noted that, in IPANEMA, the cables from the battery chargers connect to the battery side of the main switch.  In other words, they are still hot after turning the main switches OFF. : Is this the way it should be?  It is OK if one knows but very important when installing new chargers or fiddling around with the alternator!!.  For that, I had to disconnect the battery output from the main bus.
I will add the bus bar if I have to add/modify anything on my system.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: 24 v main switch

 

Jose,

Should be? According to who? 😀

I believe that Amel has connected the chargers to the battery side of the main switches for some time. I know that at least some Amel 54 switches were wired with the 24v Alternator on the load side. 

I will let a marine electrician answer the "should" question, but I believe that you could have a problem if the chargers were wired to the load side and you had shore power ON, Charger ON, and the Main Switches OFF. Again, I will leave the last word to a marine electrician.

I have attempted to illustrate a typical battery switch.  Any help with improvements in the illustration below will be appreciated. Note, I said "typical." The negative main switch should basically have the same connections at the same poles.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:28 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, 
I noted that, in IPANEMA, the cables from the battery chargers connect to the battery side of the main switch.  In other words, they are still hot after turning the main switches OFF. : Is this the way it should be?  It is OK if one knows but very important when installing new chargers or fiddling around with the alternator!!.  For that, I had to disconnect the battery output from the main bus.
I will add the bus bar if I have to add/modify anything on my system.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: 24 v main switch

Chris Doucette
 

It is indeed the way it is..  also the same for the 110v inverter.  I, in upgrading to my Lipo / Victron added fuses and a switch for the charging devices and the inverter.


On Oct 26, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:

Bill, 
I noted that, in IPANEMA, the cables from the battery chargers connect to the battery side of the main switch.  In other words, they are still hot after turning the main switches OFF. : Is this the way it should be?  It is OK if one knows but very important when installing new chargers or fiddling around with the alternator!!.  For that, I had to disconnect the battery output from the main bus.
I will add the bus bar if I have to add/modify anything on my system.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Jose Venegas
 

Hi James, 
Great to know you are in Cartagena.  We are in Curazao waiting for the port of Cartagena to open, which theoretically will be next week but it has been delayed several times.   I decided to buy a 5 kW inverter and install it outside of the engine compartment.  See https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/55033.  It made it much to deal with the 60 50 Hz issue to buy a new charger and rewire it using the connections of the old 30 a battery charger.   
Also, while doing the work within the engine compartment, I wired a double fan to blow into the engine compartment that kept me less hot while I was doing the work in the engine room.  Mounting an inverter-charger in the engine room requires to pass very large cables from the engine compartment to the battery box.  (The Victron Phenix inverter required 2 1/0 gauge cables for each positive and negative poles.  Mounting the inverter near the batteries avoids the problem and you only need to pass the 220V 20 amp 3 wires cable, not an easy task but much easier than passing the 4 DC cables.

Hope to see you soon,

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Curazao

Hope to see you soon.

Jose    


Re: 24 v main switch

Jose Venegas
 

Bill, 
I noted that, in IPANEMA, the cables from the battery chargers connect to the battery side of the main switch.  In other words, they are still hot after turning the main switches OFF. : Is this the way it should be?  It is OK if one knows but very important when installing new chargers or fiddling around with the alternator!!.  For that, I had to disconnect the battery output from the main bus.
I will add the bus bar if I have to add/modify anything on my system.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: Problem with bowthruster

eric freedman
 

Hi Alexandre,

They now only sell a complete set.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Problem with bowthruster

 

Good morning Eric, 

 

In 2017, I had a similar happening with the bow thruster.  

High pitch sound and no propeller turning…. 

The gear also did not look that bad.   

http://supermaramu2000.com/bow_thruster_spin.html

 

Previously I had purchased from Amel the Tufnol shaft, but the one I received was not the one I had on the boat…. Pictures I sent to Amel at the time:

http://supermaramu2000.com/bow_thruster_tufnol_shaft.html

 

Maud told me at the time, that they did (from memory) 3 models/size/gear dimensions.  

So, I opt to purchase the complete kit:  Amel part 1110 - called in French “MECANISME PIED DE PROPULSEUR SM”

Which you can see at the bottom of the page: 

http://supermaramu2000.com/spare_parts_bow_thruster.html

When I received it, I was a bit disappointed that I had to re-machine one of the gear to fit the key.  

 

So back to your issue, I believe that Amel sent you the wrong gear dimensions.  

Either measure the gear to have to give them, or purchase the complete kit (small and big gear).  

 

Hope that help, sincerely, Alexandre

Currently visiting Switzerland.

 

On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 06:40:59 PM CDT, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

 

I recently rebuilt my bow thruster, . Upon leaving the dock today my bow thruster  did not work and made a whirring noise. When I took it apart I saw that the gears were worn. My gears on my old bow thruster did not look that bad after 18 years of use. I know I assembled it correctly. My thinking is that the new end cap that I received from Amel with the rebuild kit is too deep and allows the gears to move apart and not mesh properly. Any Thoughts?

As a p.s., when i received the new end cap the mounting holes did not line up with my bow thruster. I simply drilled and tapped 2 new holes.

Fair Winds,

Eric
SM 376 Kimberlite.

 

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