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Re: A few questions while on the hard... SM23

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike, My boat is on the hard as well and I just filled the sonic hole with epoxy filler yesterday . I am not aware of any service required on the rudder hinges. You need to remove the third oil seal, there are many posts in the archives covering the installation of the oil seals . You should probably have a long look at the files and photos sections on the Amel site ,every subject concerning servicing every part of the SM has been covered ,and will answer many of  your questions. If not never hesitate to ask to group, there is hundreds of very knowledgeable owners more than willing to help you solve any issue you may have. 
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2020 7:16 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A few questions while on the hard... SM23

Hello everyone! Our 1990 SM#23 is on the hard and we are tackling some maintenance items for the first time. Naturally, a few questions have come up that I would like to ask the group.

1. Does the rudder hinge require any service or greasing while hauled out? There are two stainless screws on the middle hinge, anything to do there or just make sure they are tight?
 
2. I removed the plug on the sonic speed transducer on the keel. It revealed what looks like a crack right above the transducer (photo attached). Should this whole void just get epoxy filled? The sonic speed is not working and we have no intention of getting it working. No water is making it into the hull as far as I can tell.
 
3. We are servicing the C-drive shaft seals and wear bushing for the first time since taking ownership. After removing the bushing and two seals, we find a third, smaller seal that is very deep and perhaps sealed in place. This is the older aluminum C-drive unit, but I'm not sure this seal placement is Amel original. Has anyone else with an older SM seen this? Any advice or suggestions? I was under the impression I should be able to look into the C-drive after removing the wear bushing and the seals that ride on it.
 
Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM#23
Opua, NZ
 
Re: Lithium Batteries under Consideration

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

According to the specs the CCA for the Firefly is 720 Amp. So the BT should be fine having 5*720=3600 startup amps available.
I don’t buy this generator story as your 100 amp battery charger cannot respond quick enough for the solenoid to make a difference. And besides it can only supply 100 amp where the startup current for the BT is probably closer to 1000 amp.
When running the BT takes about 450 Amp,, about 80 amp per battery. If your batteries cannot supply that, you need to replace them anyway...

Cheers,

Arno
SV Luna
A54-121
Re: SM 2000 autopilot

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Rob,

Disregard the mess... tiny leak now fixed. 

Start with a ss base plate with the bolts welded onto it as per the hydraulic ram base plate. Epoxy the plate to the hull; build up grp layers as shown. 

Remove the bell rank and design a lower L shape lip   Attach the business end of the ram. Install the pump somewhere convenient 

Sorry for the delay

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ






On 20/11/2020, at 10:40 AM, Rob Smith <robfromcornwall.1966@...> wrote:


Thanks for the speedy reply. Some photos would be great. 


On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, 21:38 Germain Jean-Pierre, <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Rob,

I installed a Raymarine ACP 400 with hydraulic drive through Lecomte & Schmidt hydraulic rams. Works superbly and has been my primary AP for the last 5 years. My 7000 is a backup only. Hydraulic is far smoother. 

One small limitation... due to restrictions of space, the rams only give 22 degrees steering angle to bot P & S. In reality, had no effect on operations. 

I can perhaps send photos...

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 20/11/2020, at 10:05 AM, Rob Smith <robfromcornwall.1966@...> wrote:


Hello I am somebody can help me, I have a Sm #152 and I would like to fit another autopilot directly onto the quadrant. Can anybody help with this? I'd like to know what systems are used on the SM2000.

Regards

Rob Smith
S/Y FORESIGHT 
SM #152
Re: Lithium Batteries under Consideration

Scott SV Tengah
 

To continue the thread drift 😇, perhaps Jamie on phantom can chime in about his experience with carbon foam. 

He had fireflies before I think and experienced severe voltage drops under load to the point where his fridges started failing. 

I'd be a bit concerned about using the bow thruster with a battery that experienced severe voltage drop under load. I guess you could just run the generator when using the bt as amel recommended to avoid melting your solenoids.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Amel original hard antifouling?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Bill, 

I guess I should have been more clear with my original question. 

I already have micron antifoul on hand but it seems the existing paint is peeling back to what appears to be a hard antifoul. As such I want to get some idea of what this hard antifoul might be to make sure it's compatible. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
A few questions while on the hard... SM23

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hello everyone! Our 1990 SM#23 is on the hard and we are tackling some maintenance items for the first time. Naturally, a few questions have come up that I would like to ask the group.

1. Does the rudder hinge require any service or greasing while hauled out? There are two stainless screws on the middle hinge, anything to do there or just make sure they are tight?
 
2. I removed the plug on the sonic speed transducer on the keel. It revealed what looks like a crack right above the transducer (photo attached). Should this whole void just get epoxy filled? The sonic speed is not working and we have no intention of getting it working. No water is making it into the hull as far as I can tell.
 
3. We are servicing the C-drive shaft seals and wear bushing for the first time since taking ownership. After removing the bushing and two seals, we find a third, smaller seal that is very deep and perhaps sealed in place. This is the older aluminum C-drive unit, but I'm not sure this seal placement is Amel original. Has anyone else with an older SM seen this? Any advice or suggestions? I was under the impression I should be able to look into the C-drive after removing the wear bushing and the seals that ride on it.
 
Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM#23
Opua, NZ
 
Re: Lithium Batteries under Consideration

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Randall,

I'm not exactly sure but I think the current price-point is around USD 400 each and you would need 10 in total to get similar capacity as for 12 AGMs. The weight of these batteries is slightly higher so putting in 12 may give problems with the boat listing to starboard. As the usable capacity per battery is higher then for AGM, I will order 10 pieces to replace my failing AGM set. I'm also planning to replace the starter battery with one of these batteries as a sort of spare battery. In case one fails I have a spare as starter batteries are much more easy to obtain. So in total I'm ordering 11 pieces.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

Mark McGovern
 

Trey,

Congratulations on the purchase and welcome to the Amel cult family!  I'm replacing my rigging this winter as well and I am strongly considering taking the masts down to replace it so I have been giving this topic some thought.  Things I'm considering doing include:

  • Inspect/replace the halyard sheaves 
  • Servicing the Genoa Furler
  • Servicing the Forestay/Main/Mizzen Swivels
  • Replacing the Steaming Light/Deck Light
  • Inspecting/Cleaning connections on the B&G Masthead Unit 
  • Replacing cables
  • Replacing any cable ties (Amel apparently used string originally but contractors don't and UV kills them quickly)
  • Thoroughly cleaning and polishing mast and spreaders
There's a decent thread on this topic here that likely has a few more suggestions:  https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/topic/32278124#47610

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
Re: Onan 11kw white smoke on running

Billy Newport
 

To finish the thread. We replaced the fuel filter, replaced raw water pump (ebay 320 bucks), changed the oil. No white smoke. We suspect the oil was overfilled on last change and that caused the white smoke. The oil level was maybe 2 to 3mm past max in dip stick.
Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

Matt Salatino
 

Typically, the grounding shield corrodes, as moisture permeates the insulation. Also the end fitting that connects to the antenna at the top of the mast, corrodes.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Speed of Life
A50 #27

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am replacing mine within the next couple of weeks as I replace the entire VHF.

 

Out of curiosity, what causes the VHF coax to fail?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:13 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

 

Trey,

 

The VHF coax cable in the mainmast is good for 10-20 years. Maybe now is a good time. Choose a high-quality low-loss coax if you do this.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:08 PM Trey Cobb <tcobb775@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.

Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Mark,

I do not know what causes the VHF coax cable failure but I suspect as in all things boating, that salt, moisture, and corrosion increase resistance in the wiring. My understanding of VHF cable failure is that it is usually a slow process and that you lose signal strength over a long period of time, probably not noticing it until it is really poor.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:04 PM Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Make sure to get an antenna cable with tinned copper shielding. Non tinned shielding turns to dust in a few years.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 21, 2020, at 2:13 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Trey,

The VHF coax cable in the mainmast is good for 10-20 years. Maybe now is a good time. Choose a high-quality low-loss coax if you do this.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:08 PM Trey Cobb <tcobb775@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.

Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

Matt Salatino
 

Make sure to get an antenna cable with tinned copper shielding. Non tinned shielding turns to dust in a few years.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 21, 2020, at 2:13 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Trey,

The VHF coax cable in the mainmast is good for 10-20 years. Maybe now is a good time. Choose a high-quality low-loss coax if you do this.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:08 PM Trey Cobb <tcobb775@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.

Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

Mark Erdos
 

I am replacing mine within the next couple of weeks as I replace the entire VHF.

 

Out of curiosity, what causes the VHF coax to fail?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:13 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

 

Trey,

 

The VHF coax cable in the mainmast is good for 10-20 years. Maybe now is a good time. Choose a high-quality low-loss coax if you do this.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:08 PM Trey Cobb <tcobb775@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.

Re: Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Trey,

The VHF coax cable in the mainmast is good for 10-20 years. Maybe now is a good time. Choose a high-quality low-loss coax if you do this.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:08 PM Trey Cobb <tcobb775@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.

Replacing standing rigging - advice for other jobs?

Trey Cobb
 

Hi all,

I'm the new caretaker of Balthazar (A54-102). Due to a fracture on the main sail foil, it is being replaced and I'm taking the opportunity to also replace the original mainsail. In the process of taking down the mast, a crack was found in the original standing rigging so we've decided the timing is good to have it all replaced as well.

Since the boat is hauled out and the mast is down, are there any other preventative maintenance jobs I should consider? I am replacing the main mast sole. Anything else you wish you had done when having your own rigging replaced?

Thanks,
Trey Cobb.
Re: Amel original hard antifouling?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Scott, I was told that Amel used the International Micron series, including Micron 66 and the less effective Micron Extra were used in the past. I believe that Hempel makes a reasonably good hard antifouling. They have several ranges including one for fast boats that you do not want. I am not 100% sure which one you want for cruising, although I suspect it is Hempel Cruising Performer.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 10:30 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill. 

We are scraping as much as we can and then going to feather sand and paint over it. The yard here can't do soda blasting so I don't want to risk a hand sanding. Tengah is 13 years old so maybe next time around its time to go down to gel coat. 

The manual specifies a hard bottom paint so I presume it was something other than the self ablative Shogun 33. Any idea which hard paints were used in the past? 


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel original hard antifouling?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Bill. 

We are scraping as much as we can and then going to feather sand and paint over it. The yard here can't do soda blasting so I don't want to risk a hand sanding. Tengah is 13 years old so maybe next time around its time to go down to gel coat. 

The manual specifies a hard bottom paint so I presume it was something other than the self ablative Shogun 33. Any idea which hard paints were used in the past? 


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Amel original hard antifouling?

CW Bill Rouse
 

Scott,

Amel has changed antifouling over the years. Amel currently uses SEAJET 033 SHOGUN. Amel SAV told me that SEAJET antifouling is compatible with all others, although I would double-check that. I continue to respect the quality of Micron 66.

I had antifouling flaking upon haul-out as you describe. It was traced to an unscrupulous painter who substantially thinned my Micron 66 before application with an airless sprayer. Like you, it was fine as long as it was wet, but once it dried, it started flaking. The manufacturer of Micron 66, International, traced the problem to a well-known painter in New Zealand. International reimbursed me for some of the costs of removing all of the antifouling. I am not saying this is your issue, but it definitely happened to me. We had everything scraped and sanded down to the gelcoat and started over. 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:27 AM Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
During the decades I have sailing I have learned the kind of antifouling does not depend of the brand of the boat but rather more of the water the boat is swimming in.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: NIKIMAT spare parts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Sorry about my misunderstanding Pat, 



On Friday, November 20, 2020, 06:01:59 PM CST, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


Eric, That makes more sense , Alex said you were sailing back in a few weeks , May sounds about right, that would be great ,I have a cardboard tube I will Fed Ex you. Enjoy the winter . 
Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans 


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...>
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2020 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] NIKIMAT spare parts

Hi Pat,
I will be sailing back to n]NY mid May.
I could bring it with me and tghen UPS it to you.
Best,
Eric

On November 19, 2020 at 6:44 PM "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Alex, Did you mean , fly back, he just sailed down ,it was 28 degrees here this morning ! I would still like to buy the dipstick .
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar via groups.io <uster@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] NIKIMAT spare parts

Eric on Kimberlite is currently in Sint Maarten and will sail back to the US in 5 or 6 weeks.  

If anyone is interested by some of the parts I have left, this would be a good opportunity to save on shipping.  

http://supermaramu2000.com/parts_for_sale/

Sincerely, Alexandre

 

Re: Amel original hard antifouling?

Gerhard Mueller
 

During the decades I have sailing I have learned the kind of antifouling does not depend of the brand of the boat but rather more of the water the boat is swimming in.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
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