Date   

Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Stefan Schaufert
 

Dear Bill,

thanks a lot for this project.

I am interested.

But mine looks a bit different (1 connector right of the cockpit drain, 3 (4) left, no connector behind the cockpit drain).
That is why I like to see it in advance.

Best regards and a Merry Christmas to all
Stefan
A 54 #119 Lady Charlyette, currently Bahamas


 


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Peter Tiner
 

Yes interested.

Thanks Bill

\Peter  SY Maiken A54 #52


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

I have created some confusion regarding SMs. Early model SMs have only a Primary Saltwater Manifold. 
Later model SMs and all 54s have a Primary Saltwater Manifold and a Secondary Saltwater Manifold. 
At this time I am only working on the Secondary Saltwater Manifolds.  

image.png

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Stefano Biffi <cptbiffi@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, I am interested 
Ciao 

Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Dry dock Magra river Italy 

Il giorno 14 dic 2020, alle ore 15:10, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


We have done some measurements and have a solution for the SM. We are still working on the A-54. Hopefully, within a week, we will have a tentative solution for the A-54 and will release ordering information for both.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:
Hi Bill and Ameliens,

Interested...Thanks for your efforts on this project! 
I’m specially interested in the primary Manyfold.

Marry Christmas and Healthy New Year to everybody; stay save
Ruedi 
SY WASABI
A54 #55

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 17:10
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
<image.png>


There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
<image.png>


I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
<image.png>


The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: A54 bow thruster seal replacement?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Perfect. I remember seeing photos before but couldn't remember where. Your pics and Bill's pics help immensely. 

Thank you. 

As an aside - our flexible coupling cracked after about 2 years. Did you have the same issue? 

Our bow thruster is much more powerful after the lithium upgrade because there is almost no voltage drop. Sleipner said that they spec theirs to expect 21-22 volts or thereabouts under load and we are closer to 24.5-25.

This may be a hidden "disadvantage" of lithium. 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 00:25 Peter Tiner <peter.tiner@...> wrote:
Hi

If I understand you right you are about to take the lower part out. If so you need to put pressure onto the pipe and not onto the shaft. Use a thick walled pipe and a plate on top of that and then place the puller bolt onto the plate leaving the shaft untouched.
Please also see thread "Bow thruster motor switch" #54459.  There are some pics there and if you like I can send you more.
Good luck!

\Peter sy Maiken A54 #52


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Stefano Biffi
 

Thanks Bill, I am interested 
Ciao 

Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Dry dock Magra river Italy 

Il giorno 14 dic 2020, alle ore 15:10, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> ha scritto:


We have done some measurements and have a solution for the SM. We are still working on the A-54. Hopefully, within a week, we will have a tentative solution for the A-54 and will release ordering information for both.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:
Hi Bill and Ameliens,

Interested...Thanks for your efforts on this project! 
I’m specially interested in the primary Manyfold.

Marry Christmas and Healthy New Year to everybody; stay save
Ruedi 
SY WASABI
A54 #55

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 17:10
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
<image.png>


There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
<image.png>


I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
<image.png>


The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Amel 55 generator autostart?

Joerg Esdorn
 

Billy, I’ve never used it but during the Amel training, I was told it comes on at 70% state of charge.  One issue is that it will always run the generator for 2 hours once it is triggered.  Shutting off the generator doesn’t avoid the two hours.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 # 53 Kincsem
on the hard in Vigo, Spain


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

We have done some measurements and have a solution for the SM. We are still working on the A-54. Hopefully, within a week, we will have a tentative solution for the A-54 and will release ordering information for both.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:
Hi Bill and Ameliens,

Interested...Thanks for your efforts on this project! 
I’m specially interested in the primary Manyfold.

Marry Christmas and Healthy New Year to everybody; stay save
Ruedi 
SY WASABI
A54 #55

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 17:10
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
image.png

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
image.png

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
image.png

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Watermaker: Dessalator D60 Freedom Pump Problem

Thomas Peacock
 

We also went through some D60 blues a year ago. Fortunately, it happened in Martinique, and the problem was quickly fixed.

When was the last time you used the system before changing the membranes? Just a few days, or had it bee a while? Was it working 100%? What prompted the membrane replacement?

I believe that our problem was quickly solved by the techs and was some sort of seal problem. Works perfectly now.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Alan Woody Wood <woody@...> wrote:

Re: Dessalator D60 Freedom: 1996 No: 630046 Type: MBT1141L

I wondered if anyone could help resolve this issue?

I replaced the membranes a few weeks ago but since then the pump doesn't seem to work - it just doesn't pump water to the membranes.  
 
I've tried priming the pump by pouring water directly into the intake (it took about two litres when switched off - not sure where it all went) but it barely draws a dribble when switched on, even though the motor seems to be working fine.
 
I didn't touch the pump at all when changing the membranes so could it be the high pressure hose? Is there anything I might try like testing for air leaks? I looked at the exploded diagram and there doesn't seem to be a diaphragm to check so frankly I'm baffled :/
 
Cheers
 
Woody
SV Mothership


--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Watermaker: Dessalator D60 Freedom Pump Problem

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Woody,

Is the low pressure pump primed and working? 

If the HP pump is not fed with water from the LP pump it will automatically shut down.


Nick

Amelia
AML 54-019 Leros

On 14 Dec 2020, at 12:11, Alan Woody Wood <woody@...> wrote:

doesn't


Re: Watermaker: Dessalator D60 Freedom Pump Problem

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

It might be the brushes on the electric motor that has been worn down. You find 4 of those under plastic covers, replace them and life should get back to normal.
If your electric motor is dead Dessalator offers you a new one for €1400. They also offer a kit with lipseals and o-rings for your high pressure pump that might be needed

Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila
SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

14/12/2020 kl. 12:11 skrev Alan "Woody" Wood <woody@...>:


Re: Dessalator D60 Freedom: 1996 No: 630046 Type: MBT1141L

I wondered if anyone could help resolve this issue?

I replaced the membranes a few weeks ago but since then the pump doesn't seem to work - it just doesn't pump water to the membranes.  
 
I've tried priming the pump by pouring water directly into the intake (it took about two litres when switched off - not sure where it all went) but it barely draws a dribble when switched on, even though the motor seems to be working fine.
 
I didn't touch the pump at all when changing the membranes so could it be the high pressure hose? Is there anything I might try like testing for air leaks? I looked at the exploded diagram and there doesn't seem to be a diaphragm to check so frankly I'm baffled :/
 
Cheers
 
Woody
SV Mothership


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Bill and Ameliens,

Interested...Thanks for your efforts on this project! 
I’m specially interested in the primary Manyfold.

Marry Christmas and Healthy New Year to everybody; stay save
Ruedi 
SY WASABI
A54 #55

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 um 17:10
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
image.png

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
image.png

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
image.png

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Watermaker: Dessalator D60 Freedom Pump Problem

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Re: Dessalator D60 Freedom: 1996 No: 630046 Type: MBT1141L

I wondered if anyone could help resolve this issue?

I replaced the membranes a few weeks ago but since then the pump doesn't seem to work - it just doesn't pump water to the membranes.  
 
I've tried priming the pump by pouring water directly into the intake (it took about two litres when switched off - not sure where it all went) but it barely draws a dribble when switched on, even though the motor seems to be working fine.
 
I didn't touch the pump at all when changing the membranes so could it be the high pressure hose? Is there anything I might try like testing for air leaks? I looked at the exploded diagram and there doesn't seem to be a diaphragm to check so frankly I'm baffled :/
 
Cheers
 
Woody
SV Mothership


Re: A54 bow thruster seal replacement?

Peter Tiner
 

Hi

If I understand you right you are about to take the lower part out. If so you need to put pressure onto the pipe and not onto the shaft. Use a thick walled pipe and a plate on top of that and then place the puller bolt onto the plate leaving the shaft untouched.
Please also see thread "Bow thruster motor switch" #54459.  There are some pics there and if you like I can send you more.
Good luck!

\Peter sy Maiken A54 #52


Re: A54 bow thruster seal replacement?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Ok, we're now digging into it and here's where we're stuck:

We removed the two large bolts that go into the shaft and it seems the shaft does not want to drop even after some copious PB Blaster. Are we missing something or is it just that the lower unit / motor junction is heavily corroded? 

Bill - did you remove the motor and use a puller to apply force directly to the shaft itself? The mechanic working with me is a bit afraid to put too much force on the shaft itself.

Thanks!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Amel 55 generator autostart?

Billy Newport
 

Hi,
Anyone used the generator auto start? When does it start? I'm running a test now, letting the batteries drop down. I'm guessing its voltage triggered. Anyone know what voltage the genset starts at?

Just wondering when to abort the test.

Billy (Amel 55#56)


Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi Olivier,
can these cables be ordered? I heard that they are no longer available...
we also need to change the steering cables before we take off again in a couple of years
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Gib Track Plugs

Drew Gaffney
 

A number of our plugs were missing.  We cut pieces of fiberglass sail stiffener rods of the correct diameter and put them in with adhesive.  They’re been there for 5 seasons and are holding up well.  Most sail lofts will have “ends” that are too short for sails, but can be used to cut the plugs.
Drew Gaffney
Revelation,
SM2K 390
Carloforte, Sardinia


Re: VHF Cable Replacement

Scott SV Tengah
 

I did the same. New RG-8X from new Shakespeare antenna all the way to the nav station. The original Amel way is to have a junction at the base of the mast, presumably so you can remove the mast without having to take out the antenna wire. If I ever need to remove the mast, I'll cut the coax and put the junction on.  Earlier I couldn't communicate with the admiral in a dinghy 300 meters away and now we can hear USCG broadcasts up to 200nm offshore. 

Connection at the antenna was taped with self-amalgamating rubber tape and then covered with 3M electrical tape. I even zip tied the electrical tape for good measure.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Also Olivier - what do you think about the play on the flange/joint where the cable goes through the stringer? We have put a bit over 20 thousand nautical miles on it, so I assume this is a wear item that may just need replacement? Or is there an adjustment procedure?

A bit gun shy now, so figured I'd ask what may be a simple question vs. risk breaking something else!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Gib Track Plugs

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

That’s interesting.

As mentioned we replaced ours 12 months ago and have been cruising in Croatia, Greece and Turkey over the summer and they still look as good as the day we put them in. 

See the attached photo.

On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 6:09 am, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

We installed the polyethylene plastic plugs from AMEL, and they lasted about 12 months in mostly tropical sun before crumbling away to uselessness. Cleanly and completely removing the remaining parts after the top has sun-rotted is very tedious, and not a job we wanted to do again.

We then filled the holes flush to the top with GE SCS2000 silicone, gray (essentially identical to Dow Corning 795).  Looks great, does not shrink when it cures, and has lasted 3 years without issue.  Since silicones are generally UV stable, I expect this will be as close to permanent solution as can be found on a boat.

If you go this route, give the upper surface of the track a good coat of wax before filling the holes.  That will make the inevitable bit of thin silicone film you smear on the surface wipe off easily after it cures.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie,
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA

4561 - 4580 of 60183