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New battery bank / one battery smoking and leaking

Benjamin Thibault
 

Good afternoon again Amel fellow group. 

 

I seem to have another problem on my Amel. I realized this week that my batteries were all dead after a year due to Covid of not being able to maintain the boat properly. (Couldn’t reach the boat in another country.) 

 

I changed all my batteries yesterday for 6 new ones. 5 are a bank and one is for the starter. 

I had the battery’s charging all night on shore power with no problem. But today while crossing from Freeport to Berri Islands, I’ve realized too late that the first one of the batteries from the bank side was smoking and and overheating. And is now basically dead form what I see. 

 

I am trying to figure out if the problem could be only that exact battery, from the fact that all others seemed ok or do I have a problem somewhere else in my set up? 

Again like my last post.... I’m trying to figure out everything with basic knowledge. 

My inverter is Victron Multi plus compact 12V 2000 VA 80 amp. Which is basically new also. 

Thx again for all the help.

Stuck basically nowhere, 
Benjamin 
Bon Edda
Maramu 202


An Amel Survey by Olivier Beaute - Sat, 01/16/2021 20:00-21:00, Please RSVP #cal-reminder

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Reminder: An Amel Survey by Olivier Beaute

When: Saturday, 16 January 2021, 20:00 to 21:00, (GMT+00:00) UTC

Where:From La Rochelle, France

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@...

Description:

All,
 
It is my great pleasure to announce that Olivier Beaute will present at our first ZOOM Meeting of 2021. It will be held on 16 January 2021 20:00 to 21:00 UTC. Details:
 
Many members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group trained on their new Amels with Olivier in La Rochelle. Many of us relied on Olivier as the manager of Amel SAV. And, a substantial number of our Group have used Olivier's surveys when purchasing their pre-owned Amels. As most of you know, after a long and successful career with Amel, Olivier Beaute went into the survey business and established ATLANTIC YACHT SURVEY.
 
The topic of Olivier's ZOOM Meeting will be "An Amel Survey." His presentation will last about 30 minutes with 30 minutes for questions. Tilo Peters will monitor, queue, and ask Olivier your texted questions.  
 
This meeting will be very good for all of our members. 
  • Members who own an Amel will someday face having their Amel surveyed. These members will be interested in how to maintain and prepare their boat for a survey and some of the common things that are overlooked by Sellers in preparation to sell their Amel. This will be important information to know in advance of a survey. 
  • Members who are searching for an Amel will need a survey to complete the purchase. These members will enjoy learning more about the survey process, especially the Olivier Beaute survey process. This should be extremely valuable.

I suspect that this meeting may book to capacity and urge you to register soon.

Topic: AYOG January Gathering: An Amel Survey
Time: Jan 16, 2021 08:00 PM (20:00) GMT
 
Join Zoom Meeting
 
Meeting ID: 821 2513 7503
 
Join by Skype for Business
 
YouTube Livestream: https://youtu.be/zYika5HEkZE


Re: A54 Nav station seat replacement

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Jamie,
can you provide a Wayfair product number or link?
With the description that you mention, I can't find anything on their site that resembles what I'm looking for.
Thanks a lot,
Alex
NO STRESS A54 #15


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill, We do store our dingy a 10,5 feet AB, deflated on the after deck, it actually take "less space" than up side down, and it would not store very much water in the case of extremely rough weather. But it does not adress the issue with access to the emergency tiller. But the liner drive Autopilot will still be in operation. 
Paul on ASY Kerpa SM#259


Some Navigation parts available

Arno Luijten
 

Dear Forum,

After some refresh/upgrade activities for the navigation equipment I'm left with several parts that are functional however no longer needed.
Before putting this stuff on e-Bay I would like to ask my fellow forum members if there is any interest in this collection.
I also have the genua and staysail furlers (both working) available. Just send me a PM if you need more information.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

michael winand
 

Thanks Bill,  some photos would be appreciated. We have the same AB.
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 7:41 am, Karen Smith via groups.io
<karenharmonie@...> wrote:
Dinghies are such personal choices.  And storage of rib’s can be a real pain. Obviously from the comments so far.

We have kept our AB 9.5 foot aluminum hull rib athwartships on the aft deck.  It fits, allows us access around it on both sides, and the hand rails supply convenient tie down points. There is, however, a significant safety issue with that: It renders the emergency tiller unusable. That bothers me. I wouldn’t go to sea without an emergency tiller, so how can I justify go to sea without on I can use???  It really rough conditions, I also worry about putting more load on the handrails then they were designed for.

We have worked out a tie down method for the forward deck that keeps the deck clear, and doesn’t require any additional deck penetrations.  When we get back to Harmonie I’ll get some photos.

I have been in deck sweeping seas with a dinghy on the foredeck in my pre-Amel days.  Waves serious enough they left knee deep water in a center cockpit, and broke stanchions when they hit folded down solar panels. The dinghy did fine. That experience has forever made me leery of storing things tied to stanchions.  On the other hand, I have a friend who had a foredeck secured hard-hull fiberglass dinghy stove in by a boarding wave. But it didn’t go anywhere.

Personally, I would never go to sea with a dinghy “right side up” on the foredeck, or anywhere else for that matter.  A large wave could fill it, and the resulting weight would be a real disaster in the making in weather that rough.  But that’s just me...

More of our dinghy musings can be found HERE  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
The boat’s in Charleston, we are in Antigua wrapping up a delivery.


Re: Heater

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for your feed back, not sure how I will solve the issue yet, 
Paul


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

I bet Wayne Bell can tell you where you will find one. There are so many cisterns and wells on Antigua, you will probably have a choice of color.😀
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:15 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, 

I'll take a look around Antigua and see if I can find a replacement. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 12:01 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Karen Smith
 

Dinghies are such personal choices.  And storage of rib’s can be a real pain. Obviously from the comments so far.

We have kept our AB 9.5 foot aluminum hull rib athwartships on the aft deck.  It fits, allows us access around it on both sides, and the hand rails supply convenient tie down points. There is, however, a significant safety issue with that: It renders the emergency tiller unusable. That bothers me. I wouldn’t go to sea without an emergency tiller, so how can I justify go to sea without on I can use???  It really rough conditions, I also worry about putting more load on the handrails then they were designed for.

We have worked out a tie down method for the forward deck that keeps the deck clear, and doesn’t require any additional deck penetrations.  When we get back to Harmonie I’ll get some photos.

I have been in deck sweeping seas with a dinghy on the foredeck in my pre-Amel days.  Waves serious enough they left knee deep water in a center cockpit, and broke stanchions when they hit folded down solar panels. The dinghy did fine. That experience has forever made me leery of storing things tied to stanchions.  On the other hand, I have a friend who had a foredeck secured hard-hull fiberglass dinghy stove in by a boarding wave. But it didn’t go anywhere.

Personally, I would never go to sea with a dinghy “right side up” on the foredeck, or anywhere else for that matter.  A large wave could fill it, and the resulting weight would be a real disaster in the making in weather that rough.  But that’s just me...

More of our dinghy musings can be found HERE  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
The boat’s in Charleston, we are in Antigua wrapping up a delivery.


Re: SM 2000 Mizzen Spreader Deck Light

Karen Smith
 

We had to replace ours as well.  The housing cracked and there was no way to keep the bulb in place after the old one crashed and shattered on deck.  We had no luck at all finding USA distribution for that particular AquaSignal model light fixture.  We managed to source the LED version of the entire fixture on eBay through a supplier in Lithuania, of all places.  

I added some silicone to help secure the bulb in place.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
(Boat’s in Charleston, we are in Antigua wrapping up a delivery)


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks Bill, 

I'll take a look around Antigua and see if I can find a replacement. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 12:01 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Heater

rossirossix4
 

We have German Infranomic infrared mirrors in both of our heads (replacing the mirrors over the sink) and they are outstanding.  Instant heat, no moving parts, won't wear out, and large high quality mirror.  I am away from KAIMI but I think they were 700 watt.  When we wintered in Rome (non-metered electricity) we had them on full-time whenever we were in the boat.  https://www.infranomic.de/infrarot-heizung/frame-line/
Bob, KAIMI SM429


Re: Heater

Matt Salatino
 

True, and doable, but be careful. Reversing valves are very sensitive to the heat of soldering/brazing. If done by someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing, the reversing valve will be ruined.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino s/y Speed of Life, A50#27

On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Paul,
Can't give you specifics for a retrofit, but it just takes a reversing valve on your A/C to make heat (maybe some control stuff, too) - about a $150 option when first installed. Maybe reasonable as a retrofit.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Heater

Craig Briggs
 

Paul,
Can't give you specifics for a retrofit, but it just takes a reversing valve on your A/C to make heat (maybe some control stuff, too) - about a $150 option when first installed. Maybe reasonable as a retrofit.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Heater

michael winand
 

Hi Paul,  
We spent a few seasons in southern Tasmania. Around 43deg south. 
We have the amel installed diesel heater. 
Running the heater in the morning  for a few hours then again in the evening. Overnight temperature 2 to 6 C.
We managed in these conditions. 

The best thing we have Running is a large dehumidifier this makes the air much dryer and gives a warning effect. Otherwise you may have condensation on the inside surface areas. 
Enjoy your cruise 
Michael  Nebo  sm251 


On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 12:29 am, Paul Osterberg
<osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Hello!
We plan a trip to Nordkap the coming summer, so some sort of heater would be necessary.  To install a typ Webasto water born heater would be rather expensive and a not so straight forward installation, without compromising the water tight bulkheads. A too big job and investment for only one season. So looking to alternative solutions.
Have anyone replaced the old AC unit with a new one that also work as a heat pump and provide heat?
what was your experience, especially with the heating? Any brand to be recommended.
 Our AC units looks a bit corroded and guess approaching the end of it's life span, so even if the cost is about the same it might make more sense long term.
Any general view how long the original AC units lasts?
Any other suggestion on a source for heating?
Paul on SY Kerpa Amel SM#259


Re: Heater

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Paul

Maybe you think abaut a infrarothheater

der the carpets in the drawing room and in the cabins
24 V
or maybe in 230 v's, maybe in the area of a card table or a kitchen or a ceiling in the drawing room
The infrared zoning is more effective than air heating on air conditioning, and you need electricity for both

Greetings
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Jeff,

I have a 54 with Webasto forced air heating system fitted by Amel in the factory from new.

The unit itself is located high up in the port cockpit locker with the exhaust straight out the port topside. The air intake is in the mizzen sheet/halyard cubby hole. The system works well, and I make a point to run it every now and then even in the summer.

Nick

S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 Leros Greece.

On 7 Jan 2021, at 16:17, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff I'm not on the boat until Saturday so the only question I can answer now is that it is an air unit.  I'll try and get you the other answers this weekend.
Cheers 


-----Original Message-----
From: JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Jeff I'm not on the boat until Saturday so the only question I can answer now is that it is an air unit.  I'll try and get you the other answers this weekend.
Cheers 


-----Original Message-----
From: JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

You have 2 accumulator tanks in the freshwater system. One at the freshwater pump, and one behind the generator.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:01 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

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