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bow thruster stuck

bobparry1947 <bob@...>
 

Dear Ed, David, Bill and All,

We have the same problem with the bow thruster and have tried soaking with penetrating oil and pull&#305;ng down while lifting etc. We are hauling the boat in a couple of weeks and will have another go. Bearing in mind that we have not tried David's method yet,we cannot see how you can lift the electric motor with the shaft attached out of the front hatch because of the stainless steel support frame that is glassed in place. What did you try, Ed? Any success? Bill's method seems the least invasive if we can get it to work.

Bob Parry
SM#33 Nowornot


Re: ICOM 710 SSB Problems

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 


Re: ICOM 710 SSB Problems

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

The rocker switch on my Icom 24-12 converter is on the front of the Icom case and faces the wood cabinet door.

I will upload a photograph of the inside of the right side door beneath the Nav Table to a new folder in photos named Electronics and Wiring Super Maramu.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2 #387

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Re: [Amel] heading south

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,
if you are coming down long island sound, please drop by the Huntington Yacht Club as my guest.
Lots of moorings and slips available plus lots of boating companies around the harbor.
fair winds
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Danny SIMMS
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Thanks Eric, the going to Virginia is not to get to the
Caribbean, we have never been into the Cheasapeake and while we
are on this sde of the world we want to have a look at it. Also
on the way there we want to look at Long Island Sound and New
York, again places we have never been. We did a big non stop
outside passage from Ft Lauderdale to Barrington Rhode Island on
the way up intending to do the looking on the way back down.
Thanks for the advice re Simpson Bay Marina, just the sort of
ionfo we need...
Kind Regards
Danny and Yvonne SM299

--- On Tue, 15/9/09, kimberlite@optonline.net
wrote:


From: kimberlite@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 9:06 AM






Just my opinion but going to virginia to get to caribbean is out
of the way...
I would go straight possibly with a stop in bermuda. St Martin,
simpson bay marina is fantastic .
Very clean 24-7 security and some of the best craftsmen in the
caribbean. I have someone that knows amels and watches my boat
while I am away.
He is american and has been the chief project supervisor at
Tartan, j boat, and alden.
He also has crossed the atlantic with me and a few other trips.
knows the boat from a to Z.
Fair winds,
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "simms@xtra.co. nz"
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:20 am
Subject: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very
interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning
on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going
back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months
ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to
New
Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to
proceed
through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are
now
thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in
November.
Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the
Caribbean
from mid December until late January when we return. What is
the
Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you
advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of
the
water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the
Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299





















Re: [Amel] Re: Downwind rig topping lifts

karkauai
 

Thanks, Craig.  I got it.  I decided to do it your way instead of using the swaged fitting on the shroud since it would have meant detaching the shroud from it's lower fitting to get the stop onto the cable. - I went up yesterday and resett the spreaders so they're angled up a bit, rigged the downwind topping lifts, and changed the bulb in the tricolor.  (-:  Maybe I'll get this ownership thing after all.  Now I need some wind on the stern!
Ahoy to Katherine.
Kent

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, sv_sangaris <sangaris@aol.com> wrote:


From: sv_sangaris <sangaris@aol.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Downwind rig topping lifts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 2:23 AM


 



PS to my earlier post -
In rereading this I see I might have been a bit more clear: the line that suspends the block has an eye splice around the upper shroud above the lower spreader (so it is not really "attached to the spreader", it just rests on top of the spreader end fitting hurricane clamps).
It then is run down over the end of the spreader (actually through the chafe protector) and goes the(approx)four feet to the block through which the topping lift runs. That block's shackle is fastened to the suspension line and also around the shroud. Basically the block is simply acting as a "fair lead" for the topping lift with no significant force on it in any direction.
Hope that clarifies it.
Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, "sv_sangaris" <sangaris@.. .> wrote:

Hi David,
Not really (a bad idea) - the point of having the block suspended down about four feet is that with the pole lifted in place the topping lift runs virtually straight out from the block at the mast, putting no (or very little) downward force on the spreader. Also, with the hurricane clamps on the spreader ends, what little force there is is totally on the clamp, not the spreader. This was actually the factory method and it is excellent. Sorry I wasn't more descriptive in my original post.
Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, David Mackintosh <dlm48@> wrote:

If you run a line to the end of the spreader then load it up in a downward
direction you are putting a load on the spreader the fittings and the mast
that was never designed for a VERY BAD Idea.

regards

David

2009/9/9 sv_sangaris <sangaris@>



Hi Kent,
If you run the line straight out to the end of the spreader it may
interfere with your flag halyard and, in the right wind, may "beat" against
the underside of the spreader. Dropping it down about 3 or 4 feet creates a
little triangle of space for your flags and takes the line away from the
spreader, while still providing a good angle for lifting the pole.

When not in use, just fasten the shackle to the extra hole in the main
chain plate and wrap the other end on the topping life winch on the mast. I
also stretch a shock cord above head height to hold the topping lift off of
the mast so it doesn't beat in the wind.

Cheers,
Craig
--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>,
"karkauai" <karkauai@> wrote:

Thanks, Craig. I thought there was a need to attach a tang to the outer
end of the spreader??? Why do you need the block that hangs down to be
attached by a line? Why not just run it thru a block at the end of the
spreader?
When not in use, do you just tie the working end of the topping lift off
on the rail and the other end somewhere at the base of the mast?

Thanks, Say Hi to Catherine.
Kent
"Kristy"
SM 243


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Re: ICOM 710 SSB Problems

karkauai
 

Thanks again, Bill. This sounds like my setup, but there's a second Mastervolt 24-12 converter mounted starboard to the large black box on the right side of the cabinet. I cant find a rocker switch on either of the converters on the aft side inside the cabinet. Where is it and what does it look like?
Kent
SM243 "Kristy"

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Kent,

On BeBe #387:
Inside the right side cabinet door below the nav station:

The 24-12 converter on the right is an ICOM DC24-12 step-down converter and it provides 13.6vdc to the SSB.

There are three SAILOR N420 24-12vdc converters on the left. They are bolted together and may appear as one unit, but there are three. The closest to the cabinet door is labeled PERMANENT - This provides voltage to the AM/FM radio and cig lighter. The second is marked HYDRA and it provides 12vdc to the B&G Hydra instruments. The third is marked VHF SAILOR and it provides 12vdc to the VHF.

My guess is that the rocker switch on the ICOM DC24-12 step-down converter is your problem. If yours was installed by Amel, you will find it easy to remove because it is mounted on a finished piece of mahogany with Amel-type thumb screws securing the mahogany to the cabinet side. There is an extra long pigtail allowing you ease of removal. Before you remove it, turn the breaker "ON" and rock the rocker switch back and forth to see if you can get it to come ON. If it does not come ON, turn the breaker OFF and remove the converter and disconnect it. Remove the converter case and test the switch. You will note that the switch is double pole. It turns ON both the positive and the negative. Be sure to check continuity on both sides of the switch.

Hope this helps.

Bill,

s/v BeBe SM2000 #387
currently Darwin


Re: [Amel] heading south

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Pat, we really appreciate the info.
Kind regards
Danny and Yvonne SM299

--- On Tue, 15/9/09, sailw32@aol.com <sailw32@aol.com> wrote:


From: sailw32@aol.com <sailw32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 11:01 AM


 



Danny, The destination for the 1500 is Tortola and departs Nov, 2 from
Norfolk Va.In the BVI you can haul and launch for about $10/ft. and storage
about $10/ft./month at the low end and about $14/ft./month at the high end.
Presently I think there is 4 Amels entered in the 1500. Pat


In a message dated 9/14/2009 9:21:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
simms@xtra.co. nz writes:

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in this
topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the Caribbean for
the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting
point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to
New Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed through
the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now thinking
of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then we would have to
leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid December until late
January when we return. What is the Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a safe
(clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What are the costs
for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific and
home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299

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Re: [Amel] heading south

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ric, thanks for the advice. We wil consider everything.
Regards
Danny and Yvonne SM299

--- On Tue, 15/9/09, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic.net> wrote:


From: Ric <ric@kitchenmagic.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel] heading south
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 11:35 AM


 



I would reccomend sailing with Offshore passage opportunties from
newport. Its a great source for crew, leaves from newport, & costs
less. . Go to www.sailopo. com. I have been crew & get all my crew from
them for over 8 years. Strongly suggest you get seasoned crew.
Ric SN24 BAli Hai
On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:20 AM, "simms@xtra.co. nz" <simms@xtra.co. nz>
wrote:

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in
this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the
Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale
Florida, (our starting point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving
her there and flying home to New Zealand for Christmas. Then
returning in late January to proceed through the Bahamas to the
Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now
thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then
we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid
December until late January when we return. What is the Carribean
destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a
safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What
are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific
and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299

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Re: [Amel] heading south

Ric <ric@...>
 

I would reccomend sailing with Offshore passage opportunties from
newport. Its a great source for crew, leaves from newport, & costs
less. . Go to www.sailopo.com. I have been crew & get all my crew from
them for over 8 years. Strongly suggest you get seasoned crew.
Ric SN24 BAli Hai
On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:20 AM, "simms@xtra.co.nz" <simms@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in
this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the
Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale
Florida, (our starting point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving
her there and flying home to New Zealand for Christmas. Then
returning in late January to proceed through the Bahamas to the
Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now
thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then
we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid
December until late January when we return. What is the Carribean
destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a
safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What
are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific
and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: [Amel] heading south

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Eric, the going to Virginia is not to get to the Caribbean, we have never been into the Cheasapeake and while we are on this sde of the world we want to have a look at it. Also on the way there we want to look at Long Island Sound and New York, again places we have never been. We did a big non stop outside passage from Ft Lauderdale to Barrington Rhode Island on the way up intending to do the looking on the way back down. 
Thanks for the advice re Simpson Bay Marina, just the sort of ionfo we need...
Kind Regards
Danny and Yvonne SM299

--- On Tue, 15/9/09, kimberlite@optonline.net <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:


From: kimberlite@optonline.net <kimberlite@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009, 9:06 AM


 



Just my opinion but going to virginia to get to caribbean is out of the way...
I would go straight possibly with a stop in bermuda. St Martin, simpson bay marina is fantastic .
Very clean 24-7 security and some of the best craftsmen in the caribbean. I have someone that knows amels and watches my boat while I am away.
He is american and has been the chief project supervisor at Tartan, j boat, and alden.
He also has crossed the atlantic with me and a few other trips. knows the boat from a to Z.
Fair winds,
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "simms@xtra.co. nz"
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:20 am
Subject: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very
interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning
on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going
back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months
ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to New
Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed
through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now
thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November.
Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean
from mid December until late January when we return. What is the
Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you
advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the
water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the
Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: [Amel] heading south

Eric Freedman
 

Just my opinion but going to virginia to get to caribbean is out of the way.
I would go straight possibly with a stop in bermuda. St Martin, simpson bay marina is fantastic .
Very clean 24-7 security and some of the best craftsmen in the caribbean. I have someone that knows amels and watches my boat while I am away.
He is american and has been the chief project supervisor at Tartan, j boat, and alden.
He also has crossed the atlantic with me and a few other trips. knows the boat from a to Z.
Fair winds,
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "simms@xtra.co.nz"
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:20 am
Subject: [Amel] heading south
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very
interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning
on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going
back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months
ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to New
Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed
through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now
thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November.
Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean
from mid December until late January when we return. What is the
Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you
advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the
water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the
Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: [Amel] heading south

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, The destination for the 1500 is Tortola and departs Nov, 2 from
Norfolk Va.In the BVI you can haul and launch for about $10/ft. and storage
about $10/ft./month at the low end and about $14/ft./month at the high end.
Presently I think there is 4 Amels entered in the 1500. Pat

In a message dated 9/14/2009 9:21:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
simms@xtra.co.nz writes:




Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in this
topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the Caribbean for
the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting
point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to
New Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed through
the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now thinking
of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then we would have to
leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid December until late
January when we return. What is the Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a safe
(clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What are the costs
for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific and
home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Thanks Eric.

I ordered the same set up you have. Hopefully, I'll never need to let you know how well it works.

Steve



________________________________
From: "kimberlite@optonline.net" <kimberlite@optonline.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:25:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South


hi,'
I would not go with spectra it puts almost double the strain on the attachment points.
also the parachutes will jam in the block

there is too much load on the drogue to run the lines through turning blocks.

the bridle and first section of the drogue needs to be tailed by hand.

I use suede turnbuckle protectors made by edson as chafe gear fastened with cable ties.
it works fine

I had eyes spliced into the ends of the bridle.

to deploy the drogue i lay it out back and forth over the aft cabin top and lay on top of it. another crew member attaches the bridles and we throw the chain over the side. after about 15 feet it is self deployoing. the strain in the bridle is surprisinglingly light and chafe gear can be added after it is deployed.
after 39 hours in the water there was very little chafe on the bridle and I am going to use the same bridle on my new drogue.


fair winds
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Constantine
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Hi Eric,

I've been reading with interest your accounts of the Jordan
series drogue. I've been in contact with Dave Pellisier at Ace
Sailmakers about building one for us. I'm probably going to go
with the 7/16" Spectra drogue to save weight and space, and
simplify launching and retrieval. In one of your accounts, you
described the 7/8" nylon as less than ideal for a #58 winch, in
that it had to be manually tailed. I'm also thinking the 7/16"
will fit through the genoa turning blocks on the chainplates, to
provide a better angle into the winch instead of dragging over
the cabin side or top.

I'm curious about the type of chafe gear you used, and how you
deployed it. The chocks are only about 1' from the aft cleats,
so there's no room for much chafe gear in between to feed out as
it wears.

1. Did you attach a long piece of chafe material to the bridal
leg, then tie the entire diameter to the cleat? I'd think this
may be too bulky for 7/8", but may work for 7/16".

2. How did you take up the tension on the bridal, in order to
feed chafe gear into the chock? I'm considering attaching a
"helper line" (before deployment) to each side of the bridal
with a rolling hitch; then as the chafe gear wears out, using
the helper line on the winch to take the tension off the cleat,
untie the cleat, feed out the next section of chafe gear, re-tie
the cleat, and release the helper line until the tension is back
on the bridal. It would require several short pieces of chafe
gear to be strung loosely on the bridal leg forward of the
cleat, and would require a double operation: one for each bridal
leg. That's a lot of time on the aft deck in gale force
conditions. Not my idea of fun. Do you have any suggestions on
a better way?

Thanks,

Steve and Donna
Summer Love
SM 340



____________ _________ _________ __
From: "kimberlite@optonlin e.net"
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South


Hi -jordan drogue again. we were moving at 3 - 3 1/2 knots in
winds 70-100 knots.
additionally you do not need to be on the foredeck to launch the
Drogue.eric

----- Original Message -----
From: amelliahona
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Me again Kent:

Regarding the ParaTech Sea Anchor vs series drogue you might
want to read the "Drag Device Data Base" You can learn more
about it at:

http://www.dddb. com/

I carry a Paratech Sea Anchor and 400 feet of 7/8 in rhode
divided into 2 @ 150 feet and 2 @ 50 ft rhodes. I also carry a
Delta drogue. I can't remember the sizes offhand but they are
the recommended sizes for the 53 ft hull.

My understanding is that these devices serve two different
purposes:

a) the sea anchor to stop the boat, bow to wind with minimal drift
b) the drogue to run off down-wind (stern to the wind) while
controlling speed and preventing surfing down waves.

I have never deployed either one and by all accounts that is
something you should do in practice before needing them in
actuality. Your question has inspired to me actually set each
of mine next time I am on the boat.

Best regards, Gary SM2000 Hull # 335












Re: heading south

minaxi53
 

Danny&Yvonne,
I did the 1500 from Hampton last year and have just signed up for this year, lots of benefits but the main thing for me is the crew list as I don't have many friends who can take the time off. It ends in Tortola, BVI. Do not go from Florida to the Islands, my friends did that last year and spents days motoring and bashing into the weather. There are many Yards where you can haul and store the boat. I used Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor last year. It cost $500 per month and $110 for haul and launch. They lost their manager recently so I can't speak for todays mnagement, the lift operator though was excellent. I believe there are at least 5 Amels in this years 1500 so you would be in good company.
Regards
Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "simms@..." <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to New Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid December until late January when we return. What is the Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: heading south

minaxi53
 

Danny&Yvonne,
I did the 1500 from Hampton last year and have just signed up for this year, lots of benefits but the main thing for me is the crew list as I don't have many friends who can take the time off. It ends in Tortola, BVI. Do not go from Florida to the Islands, my friends did that last year and spents days motoring and bashing into the weather. There are many Yards where you can haul and store the boat. I used Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor last year. It cost $500 per month and $110 for haul and launch. They lost their manager recently so I can't speak for todays mnagement, the lift operator though was excellent. I believe there are at least 5 Amels in this years 1500 so you would be in good company.
Regards
Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "simms@..." <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to New Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid December until late January when we return. What is the Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


heading south

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all from Danny and Yvonne on SM 299. Have been very interested in this topic. We are in Maine USA now and planning on going to the Caribbean for the winter. Had intended going back to Ft Lauderdale Florida, (our starting point 3 months ago)by early December, leaving her there and flying home to New Zealand for Christmas. Then returning in late January to proceed through the Bahamas to the Caribbean.
However having followed with interest the discussion we are now thinking of joining the 1500 from Hampton Virginia in November. Then we would have to leave the boat some where in the Caribbean from mid December until late January when we return. What is the Carribean destination for the 1500?
Not knowing any one or anything about the Caribbean can you advise a safe (clean) place to leave the boat, in or out of the water. What are the costs for this?

After the Caribbean we are going through the Panama and the Pacific and home to NZ
Looking forward to your advice.
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299


Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

Eric Freedman
 

The yard is very good,
however the only problem i have encountered there is that the boat comes out of the yard filthy, it takes me many days to clean the crud out of the gelcoat because they are grinding and sanding so many boats. I think a trip to bobbys marina in sxm is worth the trip.
. also the acces to the channel is challenging and you must come in at absolutely high tiide.

they do a better job and can lift the boat without removing the backstays, ssb antenna and dropping the mizzzen boom.

nice people in the yard in both marinas.

eric sm 376 kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: David Mackintosh
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Two Amels sitting in The Independent Boatyard in St Thomas one
on the hard
and one in the water - well it was in the water 4 weeks ago.
Getting in is
fun particularly at low tide............well what passes for a
tide in the
VI's BUT the bottom is soft silt/mud so all you will do is
groove the bottom
and clean the bottom of your keel.

Contact Jim Bruce or Lisa. PM me for email addresses if
interested. As
well as having no tax issues with storing the boat and getting
parts to the
boat - getting in and out of St Thomas by air is much easier and
cheaperthan Beef Island in the BVI's

regards

David

2009/9/12 Richard Piller



Kent, if you have to leave the boat in Virgins, think about
using American
or one of the others on St. Thomas. They are safe and there
are no extra
tax issues.
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209

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wrote:
From: Jorge Zlatar > >>
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September
12, 2009, 2:42 AM




Hi Kent

I did the 1500 last year, and like Eric mention, after one
hour we lost
every body of sight, we use to comunicate at 7 am and at 7 pm
by SSB and
every boat of the 52 that were on the rally gave their
positions. The 1500
organisation installed on each boat a tracking device so they
knew exactly
where we were.That also could be seen on Google Earth by
others on land.We
contrated the services of Chris Parker who daily suggest us
the route to
follow to avoid bad weather.He saved us 3 days on bad see
avoiding TS Paloma
that evolutioned as we left Hampton.

We did 1700 miles( 200 milles more than the rest) and we cross
the line 8
days after departure. Some boats did it on 10 and a couple
that had problems
on 12. After sailing in the BVI, we left the boat on Soper´s
Hole in the
west end of Tortola. The ferry departs from S.Hole to St
Thomas. The Tortola
Airport is at 30 min by taxi.If you want more details of the
boat yard where
we left it, just email me.

Best regards

SV Excalibur

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Kent Robertson

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 5:15:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

Thanks, Eric. I think you guys have about got me convinced
until you talk
about 50-60 footers. The boat came equipped with a ParaTech
sea anchor which
I haven't deployed yet to see how it works. Anybody have any
thoughts about
that vs the Drogue? Most important determinant will be the
SSB, still
working on that. I'll post on a separate thread about my
problem there to
see if anyone has any ideas. I've got a marine electronics guy
looking at it
now and hope it will be ready to go by the time I'm ready to
leave. Still
have to figure out the weather fax and sail mail programs, but
I think I'll
be able to do that without too much problem once the SSB is working.

I haven't looked into where I'll leave the boat. Was planning
on going to
BVI first and leaving her in Tortola somewhere. Anyone have any
recommendations on where to leave her for a few weeks each in BVI,
St.Martin, Guadeloupe, St Lucia, or Granada?

Thanks again.

Kent

SM 243 "Kristy"

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, kimberlite@optonlin e.net > optonlin e.net>
wrote:

From: kimberlite@optonlin e.net

Subject: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 12:34 AM

Kent,

via Bermuda is the only way to go.

I have made the trip in my 37 foot tartan and my SM about 20 times

With the sm unless there is weather, fuel, or provision
problems. we go non
stop.

Please get your ssb working and speak with herb hilgenberg
daily 12359 mhz.
he is a lifesaver.

he comes on at 20000 zulu. listen to this frequency 15-20
minute before he
comes on as there is a protocal. you acn also google him and
read his
website.

Traveling in company i believe is a waste as you are on your
own after the
first day. once in a while you get hammered with weather. This
trip there
were 3 boats abandoned and one death.

we were lucky to have our Jordan Series drogue ,otherwise i
believe we
would have been in Very serious trouble with 50- 60 foot seas.
there is a
video if you are interested. the ssb is the number 1 piece of safety
equipment. AIS is also very helpful.

Once you get through the stream life becomes usually rosy.

we ;eave about Oct 28 to get in the right spot for NOV 1 the
end of our
hurricane season.

you head for what we call I-65 65 degrees west and straight to
st martin.

where will you be staying in St Martin?

we have made the trip from 8 3/4 days to 12 days. normally
about 10 from
Long Island. I went solo 3 years ago and it took just short of
12 days.

fair winds

eric sm 376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----

From: Kent Robertson

Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 7:37 pm

Subject: RE: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Thanks a bunch John. That's what I needed to hear. All I have
to do now is get my SSB working for weather faxes and
communications, and get my nerve up enough to go to sea for 12
days. I'll probably have to get some professional crew since
none of my friends are up for that kind of trip yet. I think
I'll be OK with it if I have reliable weather info.
Where are you getting your shoulder worked on? I'm an
anesthesiologist in North Carolina. Ask for an interscalene
block and catheter for postop pain relief...it' ll make you
pretty much pain free for 2-3 days after surgery. Only other
advice on shoulder surgery is to do your PT religiously no
matter what. Worst thing that can happen is to limit your
movement enough that you get a frozen shoulder.
Good luck with that.
My phone number is 828 234 6819 (cell). I may give you a call
in a week or two if I haven't made my mind up yet.
Thanks again,
Kent
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, john martin wrote:
From: john martin
Subject: RE: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter
To: "Amel YAHOO GROUP"
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:15 PM
Kent, I've done that trip many times over the last 35 years.
Don't even think about going the gentlemens route. Its a real
tough way to go. You will spend a lot of time waiting for
weather, like months, And motoring most of the time into big
seas. Bite the bullet,head to Bermuda to get your easting in,
and then head for St, Martin's. You'l be there in 12 days. If
you go to the Virgins first you will have a 80 mile bash to
windward to get to St, Martin's, Better to pick up the Virgins
on the way back. Also stop in the Bahamas on the way back, they
are warm and beautiful in the springtime but are terrible in the
winter. You should also consider the Caribbean 1500. They leave
from Hampton Va, on the 2nd of Nov. Well organized with weather
routing etc. I wouldn't leave the Chesapeake before the first
week in Nov.{ think hurricane.} Going to Savannah is good
because they don't get hurricanes, but you are going west when
you want to go east. The Gentlemens
guide is a wonderful book, I have read it twice. He's a great
writer. I'm going to the States for a shoulder opperation this
week so will have plenty of time to talk while recovering. E-
mail me your phone no. if you need any more
help.symoondog@ hotmail.com John "moon Dog" sm248
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
From: karkauai@yahoo. com
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:27:36 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter
Hi, all,
I'm making plans for the trip South from the Chesapeake to the
Caribbean and thought I'd ask for some advice. I've done a few
3-5 day offshore trips across the Gulf and up the coast, but
haven't tackled the trip South yet. From what I've read a lot
of people sail out to Bermuda, then South to avoid the upwind
beat from the Bahamas down the chain, but I still don't have my
SSB working (or have a good way to get weather that far
offshore) I'm working on that, but haven't had much luck
yet. I

have a week in Oct that I could take her down to Savannah, then
a month from mid Nov to mid Dec. I've ordered the book "A
Gentleman's Guide to Passages South", but wanted some advice
from folks who've been there and done that. Just how "bad" are
the two approaches to getting to the BVI from the E Coast?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243
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Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

Eric Freedman
 

hi,'
I would not go with spectra it puts almost double the strain on the attachment points.
also the parachutes will jam in the block

there is too much load on the drogue to run the lines through turning blocks.

the bridle and first section of the drogue needs to be tailed by hand.

I use suede turnbuckle protectors made by edson as chafe gear fastened with cable ties.
it works fine

I had eyes spliced into the ends of the bridle.

to deploy the drogue i lay it out back and forth over the aft cabin top and lay on top of it. another crew member attaches the bridles and we throw the chain over the side. after about 15 feet it is self deployoing. the strain in the bridle is surprisinglingly light and chafe gear can be added after it is deployed.
after 39 hours in the water there was very little chafe on the bridle and I am going to use the same bridle on my new drogue.


fair winds
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Constantine
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Hi Eric,

I've been reading with interest your accounts of the Jordan
series drogue. I've been in contact with Dave Pellisier at Ace
Sailmakers about building one for us. I'm probably going to go
with the 7/16" Spectra drogue to save weight and space, and
simplify launching and retrieval. In one of your accounts, you
described the 7/8" nylon as less than ideal for a #58 winch, in
that it had to be manually tailed. I'm also thinking the 7/16"
will fit through the genoa turning blocks on the chainplates, to
provide a better angle into the winch instead of dragging over
the cabin side or top.

I'm curious about the type of chafe gear you used, and how you
deployed it. The chocks are only about 1' from the aft cleats,
so there's no room for much chafe gear in between to feed out as
it wears.

1. Did you attach a long piece of chafe material to the bridal
leg, then tie the entire diameter to the cleat? I'd think this
may be too bulky for 7/8", but may work for 7/16".

2. How did you take up the tension on the bridal, in order to
feed chafe gear into the chock? I'm considering attaching a
"helper line" (before deployment) to each side of the bridal
with a rolling hitch; then as the chafe gear wears out, using
the helper line on the winch to take the tension off the cleat,
untie the cleat, feed out the next section of chafe gear, re-tie
the cleat, and release the helper line until the tension is back
on the bridal. It would require several short pieces of chafe
gear to be strung loosely on the bridal leg forward of the
cleat, and would require a double operation: one for each bridal
leg. That's a lot of time on the aft deck in gale force
conditions. Not my idea of fun. Do you have any suggestions on
a better way?

Thanks,

Steve and Donna
Summer Love
SM 340



________________________________
From: "kimberlite@optonline.net"
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South


Hi -jordan drogue again. we were moving at 3 - 3 1/2 knots in
winds 70-100 knots.
additionally you do not need to be on the foredeck to launch the
Drogue.eric

----- Original Message -----
From: amelliahona
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Me again Kent:

Regarding the ParaTech Sea Anchor vs series drogue you might
want to read the "Drag Device Data Base" You can learn more
about it at:

http://www.dddb. com/

I carry a Paratech Sea Anchor and 400 feet of 7/8 in rhode
divided into 2 @ 150 feet and 2 @ 50 ft rhodes. I also carry a
Delta drogue. I can't remember the sizes offhand but they are
the recommended sizes for the 53 ft hull.

My understanding is that these devices serve two different
purposes:

a) the sea anchor to stop the boat, bow to wind with minimal drift
b) the drogue to run off down-wind (stern to the wind) while
controlling speed and preventing surfing down waves.

I have never deployed either one and by all accounts that is
something you should do in practice before needing them in
actuality. Your question has inspired to me actually set each
of mine next time I am on the boat.

Best regards, Gary SM2000 Hull # 335












Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Hi Eric,

I've been reading with interest your accounts of the Jordan series drogue. I've been in contact with Dave Pellisier at Ace Sailmakers about building one for us. I'm probably going to go with the 7/16" Spectra drogue to save weight and space, and simplify launching and retrieval. In one of your accounts, you described the 7/8" nylon as less than ideal for a #58 winch, in that it had to be manually tailed. I'm also thinking the 7/16" will fit through the genoa turning blocks on the chainplates, to provide a better angle into the winch instead of dragging over the cabin side or top.

I'm curious about the type of chafe gear you used, and how you deployed it. The chocks are only about 1' from the aft cleats, so there's no room for much chafe gear in between to feed out as it wears.

1. Did you attach a long piece of chafe material to the bridal leg, then tie the entire diameter to the cleat? I'd think this may be too bulky for 7/8", but may work for 7/16".

2. How did you take up the tension on the bridal, in order to feed chafe gear into the chock? I'm considering attaching a "helper line" (before deployment) to each side of the bridal with a rolling hitch; then as the chafe gear wears out, using the helper line on the winch to take the tension off the cleat, untie the cleat, feed out the next section of chafe gear, re-tie the cleat, and release the helper line until the tension is back on the bridal. It would require several short pieces of chafe gear to be strung loosely on the bridal leg forward of the cleat, and would require a double operation: one for each bridal leg. That's a lot of time on the aft deck in gale force conditions. Not my idea of fun. Do you have any suggestions on a better way?

Thanks,

Steve and Donna
Summer Love
SM 340



________________________________
From: "kimberlite@optonline.net" <kimberlite@optonline.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:30:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South


Hi -jordan drogue again. we were moving at 3 - 3 1/2 knots in winds 70-100 knots.
additionally you do not need to be on the foredeck to launch the Drogue.
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: amelliahona
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] St Martin-heading South
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Me again Kent:

Regarding the ParaTech Sea Anchor vs series drogue you might
want to read the "Drag Device Data Base" You can learn more
about it at:

http://www.dddb. com/

I carry a Paratech Sea Anchor and 400 feet of 7/8 in rhode
divided into 2 @ 150 feet and 2 @ 50 ft rhodes. I also carry a
Delta drogue. I can't remember the sizes offhand but they are
the recommended sizes for the 53 ft hull.

My understanding is that these devices serve two different
purposes:

a) the sea anchor to stop the boat, bow to wind with minimal drift
b) the drogue to run off down-wind (stern to the wind) while
controlling speed and preventing surfing down waves.

I have never deployed either one and by all accounts that is
something you should do in practice before needing them in
actuality. Your question has inspired to me actually set each
of mine next time I am on the boat.

Best regards, Gary SM2000 Hull # 335


Re: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Richard,

When we bought our boat, there was a hand drawn sketch in the manual showing a ketch rig heave-to technique using only the main and mizzen (i.e. no headsail at all, backwinded main on the traveller, and center line mizzen). Have you tried this technique? If so, what is it about the conventional sloop-style headsail/main technique you prefer?

Has anyone else compared the two techniques? We haven't practiced either, so we're interested in the benefits of what works best.

Steve and Donna
Summer Love
SM 340



________________________________
From: Richard Piller <richard03801@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:45:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter


Kent, you are new at this. There are a lot of us that have done this trip for years. I know the Bahama's look like an easy way, they are NOT>> Once you get our of Norfolk the winds normally will take you to Bermuda anyway.. Take advantage of that go east.. When you depart from Bermuda head for 60 degs as you go south. DON't be tricked into a straight line course to St. Martin.. you head a bit east and when the winds come on your port let them carry you to St. Martin.. Bring lots of fuel cans as there will be wind or NONE... Eric carries lots of fuel so do we. You'll need it.. Also be sure to get your cook gas cans filled before to take off. USE Herb and be sure to call in every day he HATES people that don't.. in fact he worries to death if you don't.. Try hoving two from time to time before you need too. It works. Back wind the shortened headsail, bring the main on center shorten it up to about a #3 reef with a short head sail bring
the wheel to windward and tie off the wheel with the mizzen rolled up. She'll sit there and all will be well. We have done it in several big nor'easter and two tropical blows.. It works.. even 35 foot seas. If you find yourself running before the wind we lay out a big 300 foot u shaped warp of 3/4 line to slow the boat and keep her steady so the auto pilot doesn't kill itself. You've got one of the be sea going boats in the world. Don't panic and you'll do just fine.
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209 in Annapolis.

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.. com> wrote:

From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 7:36 PM



Thanks a bunch John. That's what I needed to hear. All I have to do now is get my SSB working for weather faxes and communications, and get my nerve up enough to go to sea for 12 days. I'll probably have to get some professional crew since none of my friends are up for that kind of trip yet. I think I'll be OK with it if I have reliable weather info.



Where are you getting your shoulder worked on? I'm an anesthesiologist in North Carolina. Ask for an interscalene block and catheter for postop pain relief...it' ll make you pretty much pain free for 2-3 days after surgery. Only other advice on shoulder surgery is to do your PT religiously no matter what. Worst thing that can happen is to limit your movement enough that you get a frozen shoulder.



Good luck with that.



My phone number is 828 234 6819 (cell). I may give you a call in a week or two if I haven't made my mind up yet.

Thanks again,

Kent

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, john martin <symoondog@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: john martin <symoondog@hotmail. com>

Subject: RE: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter

To: "Amel YAHOO GROUP" <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com>

Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:15 PM

Kent, I've done that trip many times over the last 35 years. Don't even think about going the gentlemens route. Its a real tough way to go. You will spend a lot of time waiting for weather, like months, And motoring most of the time into big seas. Bite the bullet,head to Bermuda to get your easting in, and then head for St, Martin's. You'l be there in 12 days. If you go to the Virgins first you will have a 80 mile bash to windward to get to St, Martin's, Better to pick up the Virgins on the way back. Also stop in the Bahamas on the way back, they are warm and beautiful in the springtime but are terrible in the winter. You should also consider the Caribbean 1500. They leave from Hampton Va, on the 2nd of Nov. Well organized with weather routing etc. I wouldn't leave the Chesapeake before the first week in Nov.{ think hurricane.} Going to Savannah is good because they don't get hurricanes, but you are going west when you want to go east. The Gentlemens

guide is a wonderful book, I have read it twice. He's a great writer. I'm going to the States for a shoulder opperation this week so will have plenty of time to talk while recovering. E-mail me your phone no. if you need any more help.symoondog@ hotmail.com John "moon Dog" sm248

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

From: karkauai@yahoo. com

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:27:36 +0000

Subject: [Amel] Heading South for the Winter



Hi, all,

I'm making plans for the trip South from the Chesapeake to the Caribbean and thought I'd ask for some advice. I've done a few 3-5 day offshore trips across the Gulf and up the coast, but haven't tackled the trip South yet. From what I've read a lot of people sail out to Bermuda, then South to avoid the upwind beat from the Bahamas down the chain, but I still don't have my SSB working (or have a good way to get weather that far offshore) I'm working on that, but haven't had much luck yet. I have a week in Oct that I could take her down to Savannah, then a month from mid Nov to mid Dec. I've ordered the book "A Gentleman's Guide to Passages South", but wanted some advice from folks who've been there and done that. Just how "bad" are the two approaches to getting to the BVI from the E Coast?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Kent

"Kristy" SM 243





















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