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Re: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Stephen Davis
 

Hi JB,

The decks are painted with Awlgrip. The tan color is Castle Tan (G6006), and the white is egg shell white (H8015).  They mixed a fine grit with the tan for non skid. This was a very labor intensive job, and we had it done in Trinidad. 

Steve


Re: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

 

Steve shared this with me. This gives you everything you need to know.


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On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:53 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
I agree, magnificent decks!!
Steve, do you mind sharing what paint you picked (either the brand or color #) for both the brown and the white?
Thks
JB

On Jan 22, 2021, at 08:52, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

Super good looking job!

 

 

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From: Stephen Davis
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:46 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

 

We painted the decks on “Aloha” SM72 a little over 4 years ago. In our case, the cracks in the gel coat had allowed a few chunks of of the tan gel coat to chip off. We ended up grinding off all of tan gel coat prior to painting. Beneath the tan gel coat is another layer of white gel coat which was in good condition. Moral of the story is that you do not have to worry about water intrusion into the core, and what ever fix you choose will be for cosmetic purposes. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Port Townsend, WA

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John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

JB Duler
 

I agree, magnificent decks!!
Steve, do you mind sharing what paint you picked (either the brand or color #) for both the brown and the white?
Thks
JB

On Jan 22, 2021, at 08:52, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

Super good looking job!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Stephen Davis
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:46 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

 

We painted the decks on “Aloha” SM72 a little over 4 years ago. In our case, the cracks in the gel coat had allowed a few chunks of of the tan gel coat to chip off. We ended up grinding off all of tan gel coat prior to painting. Beneath the tan gel coat is another layer of white gel coat which was in good condition. Moral of the story is that you do not have to worry about water intrusion into the core, and what ever fix you choose will be for cosmetic purposes. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Port Townsend, WA

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--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Justin Maguire
 

Super good looking job!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Stephen Davis
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 8:46 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

 

We painted the decks on “Aloha” SM72 a little over 4 years ago. In our case, the cracks in the gel coat had allowed a few chunks of of the tan gel coat to chip off. We ended up grinding off all of tan gel coat prior to painting. Beneath the tan gel coat is another layer of white gel coat which was in good condition. Moral of the story is that you do not have to worry about water intrusion into the core, and what ever fix you choose will be for cosmetic purposes. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Port Townsend, WA

 


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Stephen Davis
 

We painted the decks on “Aloha” SM72 a little over 4 years ago. In our case, the cracks in the gel coat had allowed a few chunks of of the tan gel coat to chip off. We ended up grinding off all of tan gel coat prior to painting. Beneath the tan gel coat is another layer of white gel coat which was in good condition. Moral of the story is that you do not have to worry about water intrusion into the core, and what ever fix you choose will be for cosmetic purposes. 


Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Port Townsend, WA


Plastic to Glass Dodger conversion #dodger#windows#glass

Dan Wilcox
 

Has anyone in the group converted the Dodger windows to Glass?  Ideally I would still like the functionality to open the port side.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86


Re: novice problem

Dan Wilcox
 

Hi Matti, 

We live in Seattle, and sail year round.  Having the full enclosure is a huge improvement.  I had the U shaped contraption connected to the deck mentioned and I removed it.  I instead took the first bow from the dodger and repurposed it behind the mizzen, secured with a tab to the mizzen boom bolt, and then to the shrouds as in other pictures attached.  It is vastly superior.  This also lets you reposition the other bows to give more headroom, and the "eyebrows" that zipper open.

I can run down to the boat this afternoon if you would like some pictures.  I did research with the Amel group to come up with what I consider the best cold weather solution.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Friday, January 22, 2021, 05:46:53 AM PST, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:


Hi Matti,
Your Nacho clearly is not familiar with Amels - by all means, fasten the bimini frame to the shrouds and do not clutter it with vertical members going to the deck. 
Look at the connection of your balooner "wishbone" stabilizing bar on the main mast shrouds for a model of how to do this. (Commercial clamps are also available.)

If you search the photos section for "Sangaris" you will find an album of how mine is done, with only four connections to the mizzen stays. (Or just click this link: Sangaris Bimini.)
No connection needed to the Mizzen. Bullet-proof and clean.

I've done mine in "T"-Top style as I did not want full enclosure but (hopefully) Nacho can easily close yours in.  

Btw, using the same 25mm tube as the rails will give you plenty of strength plus a complimentary appearance.
-- good luck with your project.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: New owner of SM#121

Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi Jérémy,

welcome in this great owner group.
And welcome in the world of Amel.

Some owner of us have bought an older ship, that need first a refit.
But it's a thankfully job and on the end (...is there an end?), it´s a wonderful sailing :-)

Best wishes
Ralf
SV Baghira, Sharki #42

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Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] New owner of SM#121

Hi all,

I am the excited new owner the Amel Super Maramu #121.

Olivier surveyed my boat in La Rochelle earlier this month. I'm the "young man" he refers to at the end of the Zoom meeting last week :) .
He was so helpfull during the survey, took a lot of time to explain everything. I am very grateful to him.

I've also been reading many many threads from the archives of this groups. This is a gold mine ! Thank you all for this.

So my SM#121 is from 1994. She has been sitting at Amel's pontoon in La Rochelle for many years, her last two owners having used her as an apartment.
The engine is around 1132h (only 100h since 2013), 318h for the genset, and 9h for the watermaker... Turbo is blocked, water pump is missing, batteries are dead, main furling motor not working, aircond not working, etc, etc... yes, I've got some work here, but I'm very excited. Apart from some (important) technical parts, she's in very good condition.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll save a lot of time thanks to all you experienced owners around here !

Jérémy





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Re: novice problem

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Matti,
Your Nacho clearly is not familiar with Amels - by all means, fasten the bimini frame to the shrouds and do not clutter it with vertical members going to the deck. 
Look at the connection of your balooner "wishbone" stabilizing bar on the main mast shrouds for a model of how to do this. (Commercial clamps are also available.)

If you search the photos section for "Sangaris" you will find an album of how mine is done, with only four connections to the mizzen stays. (Or just click this link: Sangaris Bimini.)
No connection needed to the Mizzen. Bullet-proof and clean.

I've done mine in "T"-Top style as I did not want full enclosure but (hopefully) Nacho can easily close yours in.  

Btw, using the same 25mm tube as the rails will give you plenty of strength plus a complimentary appearance.
-- good luck with your project.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ian,
That's super!  Captain Tolley's (Amazing) Creeping Crack Cure, if you choose to use it, will be like "belts and suspenders" then. Certainly can't hurt.
--
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


New owner of SM#121

Jérémy Lajotte,
 

Hi all,

I am the excited new owner the Amel Super Maramu #121.

Olivier surveyed my boat in La Rochelle earlier this month. I'm the "young man" he refers to at the end of the Zoom meeting last week :) .
He was so helpfull during the survey, took a lot of time to explain everything. I am very grateful to him.

I've also been reading many many threads from the archives of this groups. This is a gold mine ! Thank you all for this.

So my SM#121 is from 1994. She has been sitting at Amel's pontoon in La Rochelle for many years, her last two owners having used her as an apartment.
The engine is around 1132h (only 100h since 2013), 318h for the genset, and 9h for the watermaker... Turbo is blocked, water pump is missing, batteries are dead, main furling motor not working, aircond not working, etc, etc... yes, I've got some work here, but I'm very excited. Apart from some (important) technical parts, she's in very good condition.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll save a lot of time thanks to all you experienced owners around here !

Jérémy


Re: novice problem

Paul Osterberg
 

We have a bar between the mizzen shrouds worked great for us, gives better headroom as well. Attache some photos, you also find photos on our enclosure if searching in the photo section on Kerpa
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Craig,

The cracks we have are tiny and really only visible in sunlight, with no creaking noise when you step around them, so I think we would be unlucky if there had been any penetration down to the balsa.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...>
Sent: 22 January 2021 03:26
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )
 
I'll second Jean-Pierre's endorsement of "Captain Tolley's (Amazing) Creeping Crack Cure" !  
15 years or so on our hairline leaks of windows and still bone dry!

That being said, I recall discussion from, I think, Joel, that the "faux teak" gelcoat was often painted a bit too thick and can crack, but there is a proper thickness of white under it. I suspect the cracks in the brown do not go through the underlying white, much less through the laminate and into the balsam core. 

Ian, have you actually discovered sections of soggy balsa core, or just observed the surface cracks in the faux teak layer?
-- Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Engine Battery Drain - Is it the Prop Shaft Alternator?

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi Alan,

Amel Super Maramu 2000 owners manual on page 16 have this:

12 V circuit: One only battery feeds the starters of both main engine and power generator engine. It is situated towards the front of the boat.
It is charged from two 12 V alternators one on each of these engines.

I do not if this is the same for SM. But you can easily check. Run engine and measure voltage on starter battery. Turn off the engine.  Then run generator and measure voltage. It should be higher than when both engines are turned off. 

--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: novice problem

Ian Park
 

Others will comment I'm sure. If he has not worked on an Amel he would not know that the powers don't move. I'm sure Olivier would have commented had the stage not been as rock solid as they should be.
We have a full enclosure on our Santorin and it is like sailing in a pilot house in bad weather, especially with the heating on!! Ours however is designed round a bimini, which is possible on the Santorin as there is only one winch on each side of the cockpit.I
But wIth for comment from SM owners.

And enjoy your new boat!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96 currently locked down in North Wales.


novice problem

Matti Lohikoski
 

Dear Amelians,
I have just acquired Borador, my first real sailing vessel.(I have had a Beneteau for 20 years but the feeling is quite, quite different)
Following this very informative group I asked Olivier to do the survey and I got a long but fortunately not too severe list of defects.
Quite happy with his assistance.

I'm planning to sail Borador from Valencia to Finland beginning April when the sea ice is melting here.

I must have a closed Bimini made in Valencia. Without being there, due to current European situation, I have to trust a lot to sailmaker.
The many pictures in this site have been very helpful. 
Nacho is suggesting to put a U shaped tube fastened to deck close to mizzen mast.
I am more in favour of connecting this tube to mizzen stays like #299 but Nachos opinion is that the stays are moving and its not a good solution.
Unfortunately I must do it now, it can be a bloody cold journey. 

May I have your opinion which way to go.

Sincerely yours

Matti Lohikoski

SM2K #398

Finland


Re: Where do you send the grey water from a washing machine?

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Since all the gray water on Aquarius is piped into the bilge,  and then pumped out.  For the washing machine, I would say that it's a good thing.  Good flow of soapy water to clean out the bilge water a bit.   The only thing I might want to change is to route the sink straight out of the boat.

All the best,

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K262


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Craig Briggs
 

I'll second Jean-Pierre's endorsement of "Captain Tolley's (Amazing) Creeping Crack Cure" !  
15 years or so on our hairline leaks of windows and still bone dry!

That being said, I recall discussion from, I think, Joel, that the "faux teak" gelcoat was often painted a bit too thick and can crack, but there is a proper thickness of white under it. I suspect the cracks in the brown do not go through the underlying white, much less through the laminate and into the balsam core. 

Ian, have you actually discovered sections of soggy balsa core, or just observed the surface cracks in the faux teak layer?
-- Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

eric freedman
 

hi Ian,
There is a liquid that we have here called captain tollyes creeping crack repair.

https://www.amazon.com/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-Bottle/dp/B00JQ6XHWC
https://www.amazon.com/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-Bottle/dp/B00JQ6XHWC

I just keep putting it into hairline cracks and wipe off the residue., keep repairing daily until the crack is filled. It is colorless and
seems to work on hairline cracks.
Fair Winds.
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite'

On January 21, 2021 at 12:40 PM "ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...>" <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles under her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece

 

 


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Judy and Ian,

Eleuthera is SM007. Being a few years older than your vessel, it had exactly the same problems. However upon purchasing the boat some six years ago, we used a product called Captain Tolley’s creeping crack cure. Still a good solution many years later. 

One caution; when you do the work ensure you follow the application instructions. Otherwise you’ll end up with some residue on the decks. Don’t ask...

Kind regards,  

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua NZ


On 22 Jan 2021, at 07:59, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:



 
Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles unde her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece

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