Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
Peter, I am betting your ground fault is inside your AC pump caused by a failed mechanical seal and probably the sealed bearings. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 8:08 AM Peter de Groot <pandmdegroot@...> wrote: Greetings all,
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Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
Peter de Groot
Greetings all,
The last round of responses have been particularly helpful. Thank you all. Update: Tuesday late afternoon I reconnected the A to B connection started the generator and ran the air conditioning with all 3 Climma units on. From the sound of the generator engine, it was clear that when the water pump came on, there was a considerable load. Much more than the heaters or battery charger. We ran the air conditioning for a while and went below to experience the cooler cabin. After about 45 minutes of run time, the generator pulled down further and stopped. I turned off the air conditioning breaker on the 220 panel and restarted the generator, to make sure the generator was OK, which it was. Yesterday morning, I found the 5 Amp fuse in the Climma relay box was blown. I replaced it but could not get the pump to come on. I isolated the 3 Climma units and one at a time checked how they were delivering there “go” signal to the relay box. I found some inconsistencies, and the aft unit (which may have had water damage from rain leaking in through a not completely closed head hatch) both the blue and brown wire went to 226VAC when the unit was turned on. This is a separate issue which I’ll check out later. In the process of all this checking, I went through 3 of the 4 spare 5A fuses on board. Everything seems to be pointing to the pump motor, so before using my last good fuse I’ll isolate the pump motor and go through its internal grounding. Most likely I’ll be waiting to do this in our next port (Vallarta) There is an electrician there I trust, and the chance of getting a replacement pump motor is better. Not to mention more fuses. Starting tomorrow we’re off the boat for a week long excursion inland, so the next post may be in a few weeks. BTW: the recommended local electrician here had never encountered 220 VAC delivered by one hot and a neutral, so he was on the boat for less than 20 minutes (a mutual decision fortunately) Thanks again all. I really appreciate the suggestions. Peter La Querida SM#207 Barra de Navidad, Mexico.
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Re: Solid cockpit roof on Super Maramu
Ann-Sofie <ann-sofie@...>
Hi Michael To build a new roof from scratch is probably easier than renovate one. To shape the roof use either polyurethan insulation plates or Divinycell sheets and then laminate with 2-3 layers of epoxi and grp matt. After that its time to shape the rail which is done using polyurethan insulation plates in small pieces, when the shape is ok, laminate the rail with 1 layer epoxi and grp matt. Sand the roof and then put on epoxi filler to get a smooth surface, sand. Mill lines for cables and lights. Fill the space above the cables to create a smooth surface. Paint with 2-component paint (International Perfection as one example) primer, 2 layers and sand. 2 or more layers of top paint Perfection. How long time for this production, probably around 100-200 hours, much depending on the place of work. For us it took far more but much of that was down to the renovation part. Hope this will give you a hint of producing one your self. Feel free to come back if you have any questions. Regards, Jonas Den 2021-02-02 kl. 22:34, skrev michael
winand via groups.io:
Thanks for sharing. Could you please advise on the approximate hours to construct your own? -- Ann-Sofie Svanberg Edificio Pluma Rua Teofilo Braga 17-6a 8500-668 Portimao Portugal 00351-914 879 021
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Re: How much Solar?
Scott SV Tengah
Hi everyone, Ken is very right with the weight balance issue! I am sick of scrubbing the port side gelcoat!
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Re: Yanmar no start.
Could it be water in the fuel?
I had a similar issue on a previous boat....would run but wouldn't idle. The cause was a small amount of water in the fuel because I had left the boat in Fiji over the cyclone season and the #2 fuel tank was empty. The condensation from the high ambient humidity contaminated the fuel when I filled it. Solution was to empty the tank, clean it, refill, bleed the fuel line and injector pump and presto, all go again. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Yanmar no start.
Dan,
Sounds like you have it narrowed to a fuel issue.
Check your diesel fuel tank air vent to ensure it is not clogged or obstructed.
Does the start/generator run okay with no load?
Do you have duel racor filters? If so, is there a vacuum when the engine is running? And, have you tried switching to the alternate filter?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Dan Carlson
Thanks for the tips Bill and Steve,
I tried to trouble shoot the solenoid by having Lori actuate the stop button on the console while I monitored for the clicking down at the engine. That sounded normal. I tried to start and again it cranked but did not catch. But it sounded like it was just getting some combustion at the end, so one more try and it slowly caught and when I gave it some slight throttle in neutral it picked up. I ran it for 15 minutes at 1700 rpm to get to temperature. It had a little bit of load from the alternator, charging the Li batteries. After it reached temp I switched the alternator regulator to "float"/ no load, ran the rpms slowly up to 2500 and back down to 1000 rpm. After a minute there I put the throttle back to the idle position and the rpms decreased to about 500 and then the engine stopped. So it seems like I have a low rpm idle setting or fuel flow issue at idle. I think I can adjust the idle up slightly, but that doesn't account for the change in performance of the engine, both the unexpected stopping as well as the difficult starting. (I've never had to apply any throttle when starting in the past.)
Steve, I'm not sure if I can test that small of a change in the fuel pump performance on the boat.
Also, the fuel injectors were rebuilt and the valves adjusted a a little less than two hundred hours ago.
Does that trigger any more ideas?
Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 4:23 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
Thomas Peacock
I totally defer to Mark on this. But, I would add that the automatic transfer switch (in the port cockpit locker) was severely corroded on my SM a couple of years ago. Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes Chesapeake Bay
On Feb 3, 2021, at 5:45 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
-- Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes Chesapeake Bay
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Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
Mark McGovern
Peter,
Usual disclaimer that I am NOT a marine electrician and I do not even play one on TV! Good luck. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Yanmar no start.
Dan,
This sounds very typical of a stuck stop solenoid.
To check. Have someone at the helm push the stop button while you can observe the solenoid and lever on the engine. You should see the stop lever move as the solenoid is activated by the stop button at the panel.
To all: if you do not already have this in place it is a good idea to attached a red string (and red handle) for use as a manual stop.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Dan Carlson
Hello Yanmar diesel gurus.
Our Yanmar 4Jh3-HTE has never missed a beat, until today.
Engine started fine and operated for 30-40 mins to lift anchor exit anchorage and get underway. Mostly at 1200-1500rpm. Normal shutdown, with a short rev to approx 2500rmp before return to idle for a minute or two then shutdown. Temp and oil pressure all normal.
After approx 1 hr sail to next anchorage engine started fine and operated at approx 1500 rpm for 15 minutes into anchorage then idling while anchoring for approx 5 mins, 1200-1300rpm to back down anchor, then after a short idle another rev to approx 2800 rpm then return to idle. When the engine rpms returned to idle the engine just stopped. After thinking through everything that just happened I attempted to restart the engine and it did not catch after approx 3-5 seconds of cranking.
We had lunch and allowed the engine to cool for a little over an hour. I checked coolent level, oil level, fuel in racor, looked over the engine and then attempted to start with no luck. Next I pumped the fuel priming pump on top of the filter a few times but I did not bleed any fuel out. I attempted to start two more times with approximately 5 seconds of cranking each time with no success. No indication of any firing.
Finally: I drained about 1/4 cup of clean fuel from the bottom of the fuel filter, then loosened the fuel bleed valve and pumped some more fuel out of the bleed valve. It did not appear that there was any noticable air in the system. Cleaned up and retried with Lori cranking for 5 seconds while I pumped the priming pump. No success.
Fuel tank has over 500 liters.
I thought I'd check in with other Amel owners to get inputs on the next steps for troubleshooting.
Advice appreciated.
Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387
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Re: Propeller recommendation
Miles
Hi Alex, I have been pleased with my Autoprop. Because it sets the ideal pitch for any condition, it gives good mileage, and it is especially good when motor-sailing as it sets the pitch so that the engine has a good load at low RPMs. The down side is that the blades must be kept perfectly clean. A barnacle interrupts that flow over the blade and changes the pitch from the ideal pitch. I once tried using the fixed prop on my boat while the Autoprop was being reconditioned. In addition to fuel consumption, my sailing speed was reduced by about 1 knot. Regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, sm 216 at berth at Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: Yanmar no start.
Thanks for the tips Bill and Steve, I tried to trouble shoot the solenoid by having Lori actuate the stop button on the console while I monitored for the clicking down at the engine. That sounded normal. I tried to start and again it cranked but did not catch. But it sounded like it was just getting some combustion at the end, so one more try and it slowly caught and when I gave it some slight throttle in neutral it picked up. I ran it for 15 minutes at 1700 rpm to get to temperature. It had a little bit of load from the alternator, charging the Li batteries. After it reached temp I switched the alternator regulator to "float"/ no load, ran the rpms slowly up to 2500 and back down to 1000 rpm. After a minute there I put the throttle back to the idle position and the rpms decreased to about 500 and then the engine stopped. So it seems like I have a low rpm idle setting or fuel flow issue at idle. I think I can adjust the idle up slightly, but that doesn't account for the change in performance of the engine, both the unexpected stopping as well as the difficult starting. (I've never had to apply any throttle when starting in the past.) Steve, I'm not sure if I can test that small of a change in the fuel pump performance on the boat. Also, the fuel injectors were rebuilt and the valves adjusted a a little less than two hundred hours ago. Does that trigger any more ideas? Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 4:23 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Yanmar no start.
Stephen Davis
Hi Dan,
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Re: Yanmar no start.
My 8 Ball Crystal Ball says, "Check Back Later"😀 I wonder if the fuel flow stop solenoid or the stop button is not working and cutting off fuel?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:03 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
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Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
My Amel 55 is a 230v boat. I am using a us 240v pigtail to power my boat in the manner you describe in the usa. The heater and climma work on shore power. The 2500w inverter must be on for dish washer and washing machine or microwave. My pigtail is wired as bill describes in his book.
Billy.
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Re: ONAN replacement or not?
Alex, I sent you a private answer via email. Bill
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM Alexander Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote: Bill,
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Re: ONAN replacement or not?
Bill,
my Firefly bank is installed and in use. Q: How often do you do the discharge? Would my standard 100Amps AMEL54 original Dolphin Charger provide the 0.2-0.5C that you mention? Is it something that you would normally only do when you have access to shore power? Also, I'm planing to buy and install a battery equalizer system. I hope that frees me from the periodic discharge. (as my understanding is the purpose of it is to equalize the batteries)? Thanks for sharing your wisdom! Alex
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Yanmar no start.
Hello Yanmar diesel gurus. Our Yanmar 4Jh3-HTE has never missed a beat, until today. Engine started fine and operated for 30-40 mins to lift anchor exit anchorage and get underway. Mostly at 1200-1500rpm. Normal shutdown, with a short rev to approx 2500rmp before return to idle for a minute or two then shutdown. Temp and oil pressure all normal. After approx 1 hr sail to next anchorage engine started fine and operated at approx 1500 rpm for 15 minutes into anchorage then idling while anchoring for approx 5 mins, 1200-1300rpm to back down anchor, then after a short idle another rev to approx 2800 rpm then return to idle. When the engine rpms returned to idle the engine just stopped. After thinking through everything that just happened I attempted to restart the engine and it did not catch after approx 3-5 seconds of cranking. We had lunch and allowed the engine to cool for a little over an hour. I checked coolent level, oil level, fuel in racor, looked over the engine and then attempted to start with no luck. Next I pumped the fuel priming pump on top of the filter a few times but I did not bleed any fuel out. I attempted to start two more times with approximately 5 seconds of cranking each time with no success. No indication of any firing. Finally: I drained about 1/4 cup of clean fuel from the bottom of the fuel filter, then loosened the fuel bleed valve and pumped some more fuel out of the bleed valve. It did not appear that there was any noticable air in the system. Cleaned up and retried with Lori cranking for 5 seconds while I pumped the priming pump. No success. Fuel tank has over 500 liters. I thought I'd check in with other Amel owners to get inputs on the next steps for troubleshooting. Advice appreciated. Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387
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Re: Propeller recommendation
Dominique Sery
Hello, i have an Autoprop propeller on my 54 and i am satisfied with it.
advantage for maneuvers especially in reverse and less slowing down under sail.
but it is very heavy, expensive, requires maintenance and the pitch is a little too long (6 knots at 1100 rpm)
Dominique
Irko A54 # 16
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Propeller recommendation
Dear Amelians,
I'm looking for recommendations for a propeller. Please share your experience with yours, why you think it was a good choice for your Super Maramu or 54. Also, I appreciate your thoughts in regards to price/performance. Good props can be very expensive, but are they worth their money? Thank you! Alex s/v NO STRESS AMEL54#15
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Re: Climma Air Conditioning from shore power
Ryan Meador
Hi Peter, I concur with Bill -- you almost certainly have a ground fault. The 32A breaker on the outside of the panel box is also a ground fault interrupter. If it is tripping instantly, that indicates either a ground fault or massive overcurrent (a mild overcurrent would take time to trip). For what it's worth, we've been running our air conditioning on USA shore power almost the whole time we've had the boat, as did the previous owner. It's connected through a USA 50A plug as you described. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Salem, MA, USA
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:09 AM Peter de Groot <pandmdegroot@...> wrote: Hi Tom,
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