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Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Nick Newington
 

My little trick

We all agree it is daft that the 12v alternator is located directly below the raw water pump. It is a question of when not if it starts to leek as the lip seal eventually wears a groove in the shaft, but we are where we are.
The good news is that it will start to drip very slowly. So I stuff a clean rag below the pump and regularly inspect it for salt crystals. If the rag is dark in colour the salt shows up, otherwise one can taste it for salt. When the dripping starts the rag will absorb the water and dry from the heat of the engine before any damage is done. This is the moment to service or change the pump. If you ignore the drips then sure enough it will end up getting worse and damaging the alternator.  By the way, getting that alternator off is bloody business literally.

Nick locked down in the UK whilst
 
Amelia AML 54-019 is in Leros Gr.

On 9 Feb 2021, at 18:41, Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life

On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144


Re: Amel 54 masthead tricolour light

Scott SV Tengah
 

Is this a problem with the regular incandescent bulbs that have been used in these fixtures for time eternal? I was just being double belts-and-suspenders by bending the tabs and adding silicone grease, but I haven't heard of many other Amel with intermittent bulb issues on the masthead? I considered replacing the fixture with a full LED one but (1) it's over 20x the cost of a bulb (2) I was trying to minimize the work involved at the masthead. :)

For our combo Aqua Signal bow nav light, I have to say it was a poor choice by Amel. It's not even IP67 rated - I think it's only rated for dust, not water ingress. A completely different design than the masthead fixture. On hard upwind legs, water kept getting in and damaging the bulb. We greased the little foam seal, even tried sealing it with Sikaflex 295UV, everything. I ended up going for a sealed unit from Marinebeam that fits the custom stainless mount that Amel welded on for the OEM Aqua Signal. It was 20% of the cost of an equivalent Aqua Signal and after a 2900nm upwind sail (not my favorite passage of all time), the bow light is still functioning perfectly.

The masthead LED bulb has lasted 15,000 nm with no issues. That includes the 2900nm upwind sail and a near direct hit by TS Dorian.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Scott SV Tengah
 

Yup, I replaced my Volvo pump with a JMP. They claim the parts are interchangeable so I may get around to trying to rebuild the leaking Volvo one if I get bored. Given that the repair kit isn't much cheaper than the pump, I will probably just replace the whole pump if it ever leaks again. You are right about the pump on the D3 having two different iterations - the mounting holes changed. If anyone wants the iteration that fits on a D3-110C, I can try to dig up the order.

As an aside, the mounting metal "washer" on ours had to be cut off in order to align the JMP with the serpentine belt. Easy with a Dremel.

For our 11kw Onan, it's almost certainly a Sherwood water pump. It was weeping a tiny bit and I replaced it before leaving Hawaii last fall, just in case. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Scott SV Tengah
 

Kent,

As mentioned on my earlier response, the foam bits are cut pieces of the seal for the Goiot port lights. At least the ones on the 54. I seem to recall they were 3cm long each, attached with a simple overhand knot every 1.5m on the line, if I remember right.

BTW - at the risk of thread drift, I'll touch on the wifi antenna. We first had it on our arch and while in Hawaii, we noticed the wifi signal would change dramatically depending on how we rotated with respect to the land based access point that was around 0.6nm away. Made no sense to me that speed/latency increased dramatically as we rotated...until I learned how radio waves transmit and the concept of the Fresnel Zone as it relates to RF signals. Summary is that: RF signals on my omnidirectional antenna extend out in a cone, with the narrowness depending on antenna gain and if 60% of the cone is blocked, signal drops dramatically. Turns out in our case, the solar panels were blocking a significant proportion of that cone if we rotated the wrong way, hence the significant drop in speed and dramatic increase in jitter.

I first moved it to the spreader. The mast had the same effect, albeit reduced. Now it's on the main masthead with a long Cat7 cable down to a router in the boat. We have been connected to access points a mile away and have fast enough speeds and low enough latency/jitter to both stream video and have zoom calls. Downside is that with our 8db antenna, if you're right next to the access point, the mast mounted antenna may not see the AP. But if we're next to it, I just connect to the AP directly with my laptop.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Rigging Bonding and newer 316 stainless steel

Scott SV Tengah
 

Here's Olivier's post confirming the connection of rigging to bonding in 2009:

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/21220

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

karkauai
 

I had the same problem.  I wanted to install a new antenna for my AIS at the top of the mizzen to get it away from the VHF antenna.  We couldn't pull the new cable from either end as it got stuck at the spreaders. I couldn't do top a new messenger from the top or get a long tape to go past the spreaders. There were two messenger lines, and we tried both from both ends.  It was frustrating that the messengers came out on the starboard side below the level of the opening between the stbd and port sides, then had to go up a few cm before coming back down a bit to exit at the lower (stbd) mizzen access panel.  No way to get a good pull from below or help feed from below.

I had added an wifi extender and a cellphone extender a couple years ago, and both antennae were mounted on the mizzen spreaders. Neither one seemed to improve wifi signal or cell phone signal significantly, so I removed both antennae, and pulled out their cables. I couldn't tell where the line with the foam pieces was, so assumed it had broken and fallen down into the mast.  I didn't remove the radar cable which exited the mast at the spreaders.  We pulled a new strong messenger down using one of the old ones from the starboard side and it got stuck at about the spreaders again.  We pulled from the bottom with a lot of force and finally got a wad of knotted line out from below. There were no foam pieces to be found.  After that the new antenna cable passed easily from above.
A new messenger was placed using a 1/2 inch nut as a weight, without interference.

When it warms up again, I'll pull another line through with foam pieces attached.  Does anyone know:
what kind of foam was used, or 
how big the pieces are, or
How they are attached to the line?

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Karen Smith
 

The shaft "sealing washer" (as Volvo calls it) is actually a lip seal.  Just like the oil seals used on the Amel propshaft, or an engine crankshaft, or any number of other places. In most applications they last at least as long as a carbon face mechanical seals.  It is listed as an "obsolete" part because Volvo does not stock it any longer in their part supply chain.  It is a standard industrial part, although a bit hard to find because of the stainless steel garter spring.

The raw water pumps, and raw water pump parts, for the D3 were (and still are) made by JMP and are readily available at a fraction of the price than from Volvo.  If you know the Volvo part number for your pump, you can cross reference them and get a new pump or any of the parts if you want to rebuild them yourself.  My understanding is that there were at least different two versions of the pump used on the D3 engines.  A complete new pump is less than US$400.

Same with the TMD22: Those raw water pumps are made by Jabsco.  Look closely at the cover plate, and the Jabsco number is stamped there.  Dealing with a Jabsco distributer will save you a boat load of money compared to Volvo.

At least some of the Onan models used Oberdorfer pumps, again these are usually clearly stamped with the original maker and model number on the cover plate.

I'd give very long odds that the Yanmar raw water pumps are also third party supplied, but I do not know which supplier Yanmar used.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Dominique,

Congratulations!

Not all D3's have the seawater pump located as yours is located high above the engine. In my opinion, you are being very careful about the issue. Normally, the mechanics that owners hire are the very worst offenders of introducing saltwater in the engine room.

You can't do the same with your Onan as you are doing with the D3. I suggest that you try the link I included earlier for the Onan and if you want to get rid of those few drops, maybe the D3 also.


Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 3:47 PM Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello Bill,
On my D3, to change the impeller without putting water everywhere, I empty the seawater circuit before the change, I close the hull valve, I start a sea water pump  (anchor wash for example) and I Slowly open the impeller cover to make an air intake, the seawater circuit empties completely, then I change the impeller. it is not perfect but there are only a few drops of water that a cloth placed under the pump absorbs.

Dominique


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Bill,
On my D3, to change the impeller without putting water everywhere, I empty the seawater circuit before the change, I close the hull valve, I start a sea water pump  (anchor wash for example) and I Slowly open the impeller cover to make an air intake, the seawater circuit empties completely, then I change the impeller. it is not perfect but there are only a few drops of water that a cloth placed under the pump absorbs.

Dominique


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

If you want an absence of saltwater in the engine room, you might want to follow this procedure. It works.
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 3:22 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
A trick you can use is to place a child’s diaper under the pump; this works for the TMD22 on SM’s

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 10 Feb 2021, at 09:39, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Here is what I suggest:

Use your wet-vacuum when changing the impeller and not one drop of water will spill. When you can fill the hoses and engine with fresh water before you do this job.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 2:01 PM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Doug,

Good plan on drip guard in plywood - I’m away from Carango - can you give me dimensions so i can prepare one here before going on board.

Peter Forbes
Carango A54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 9 Feb 2021, at 19:30, Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



My boat came with this piece of ¼ in plywood, and it is cable tied to the alternator positive cable.  You will notice the water stain on the wood from changing the impellor the first time and not catching all the water.

 

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Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144

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Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

A trick you can use is to place a child’s diaper under the pump; this works for the TMD22 on SM’s

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 10 Feb 2021, at 09:39, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Here is what I suggest:

Use your wet-vacuum when changing the impeller and not one drop of water will spill. When you can fill the hoses and engine with fresh water before you do this job.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 2:01 PM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Doug,

Good plan on drip guard in plywood - I’m away from Carango - can you give me dimensions so i can prepare one here before going on board.

Peter Forbes
Carango A54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 9 Feb 2021, at 19:30, Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



My boat came with this piece of ¼ in plywood, and it is cable tied to the alternator positive cable.  You will notice the water stain on the wood from changing the impellor the first time and not catching all the water.

 

<image001.png>

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144

<image001.png>


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Here is what I suggest:

Use your wet-vacuum when changing the impeller and not one drop of water will spill. When you can fill the hoses and engine with fresh water before you do this job.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 2:01 PM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Doug,

Good plan on drip guard in plywood - I’m away from Carango - can you give me dimensions so i can prepare one here before going on board.

Peter Forbes
Carango A54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 9 Feb 2021, at 19:30, Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



My boat came with this piece of ¼ in plywood, and it is cable tied to the alternator positive cable.  You will notice the water stain on the wood from changing the impellor the first time and not catching all the water.

 

<image001.png>

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144

<image001.png>


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Peter Forbes
 

Doug,

Good plan on drip guard in plywood - I’m away from Carango - can you give me dimensions so i can prepare one here before going on board.

Peter Forbes
Carango A54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 9 Feb 2021, at 19:30, Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98@...> wrote:



My boat came with this piece of ¼ in plywood, and it is cable tied to the alternator positive cable.  You will notice the water stain on the wood from changing the impellor the first time and not catching all the water.

 

<image001.png>

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144

<image001.png>


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Doug Smith
 

My boat came with this piece of ¼ in plywood, and it is cable tied to the alternator positive cable.  You will notice the water stain on the wood from changing the impellor the first time and not catching all the water.

 

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Matt Salatino
 

Can a drip shield be fabricated to keep seawater off the alternator?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50#27, Speed of Life

On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144


Re: Volvo D3 110 Sea Water Pump - Cover seal

Ralph Heilig
 

Stefan,

I had a leaking D3 seawater pump. Unfortunately I discovered it too late. The seawater was already dropping on the Alternater and demaged the alternator (it's stupid from Volvo to position the alternator directly under the seawater pump!).

The cause was a worn shaft in the sea water pump. I had to replace both: seawaterpump and alternator! My mechanic suggestet not to do the shaft repair, but to install an new one. 

So be carefull: If it's the shaft, it will ultimately ruin the alternater if not changed. The alternator was much more expensive than the pump...

Greeting from Vienna,
Ralph
A54, #144


Re: Amel 54 masthead tricolour light

Michael & Robyn
 

Greetings!

Just a reminder for boats registered in certain nations putting an LED light bulb into a regular navigation light socket it looses its certification (BSH or Wheel) which might get one in trouble.
We replaced our Aqua Signal Tricolor/Anchor/Flash Light with a Series 34 Tricolor Anchor light and it did fit the existing socket.
The hint with the obstruction is something I will have to check next time up there.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417


Re: Where best to locate Raymarine Evolution Autopilot EV-1 Sensor Core on Santorin

Grant Starling
 

Hi Juan,

Good to hear that, thanks for the response.  I suspected it would be fine, but it’s always good to have confirmation from someone who has actually installed the EV-1 in the port-side position.

Enjoy Guadeloupe!  We have heavy snow and freezing weather at the moment in England...I know where I would rather be!!!

best
Grant

SN#42 - ALLONZEE


Re: SM gelcoat color match

Karen Smith
 

We had some extensive fiberglass work done on our deck.  The crew in Fort Lauderdale did an amazing job matching the color. It's as close to perfect as I can imagine.  I know where the repairs were done, and it can still be hard to pick out.

Downside of course, is the new gelcoat matches the old today, but over the long run they will age and fade in different directions.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: SM gelcoat color match

Craig Briggs
 

For a perfect match, go to boatworkstoday dot com, click on Videos, then click on Color Matching and watch the two part series on Gelcoat Color Matching. I have easily been able to match the the deck white, the hull white and the rub rail brown perfectly. This is far and away the most credible place to go for anything about repairing fiberglass.
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

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