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Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?
Rick, the subject of insurance is back on the table. A small group is looking into it (Teun BAAS, Kent Robertson, Ken Powers, Brent Cameron, David Kurtz, David Vogel and myself). We recently had a brainstorming session, have drafted a survey that hopefully will be out soon after several comments. We will keep you posted. -- John Bernard "JB" Duler San Francisco Meltem # 19, Western Med
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Re: Watermaker
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I believe mineral oil can be used.
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On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Susan Commarato via groups.io <sueisnuts@...> wrote:
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Re: Watermaker
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Hi, I had the very same problem. I bought some special oil that goes into these gauges. I found the cap on the top of the gauge parished. So I put some tape over it, but it kept loosing oil so I gave up on it and bought a new one.
Be aware that once you start taking the panel apart to replace the gauge you will most likely find more parts that need replacement also because of the taking apart. This is the oil I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D0HVY8W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?
I’ll send a PM
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mark, can you share with us your premium as a % of insured value. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mark, can you share with us your premium as a % of insured value. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 15 February 2021 at 14:44 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Re: Watermaker
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Watermaker
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Susan Commarato
Can anyone tell me what type of oil is in the high pressure gauge of the watermaker? It’s a Watermaker HR BY4. I’m on a friends boat and he has a leak.
S/V Rochelle 2007 Amel54 Thanks Susan
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Hi Scott,
There are a number of things that can cause galvanic corrosion. Typically a poor grounding system in the marina can be a cause. But there can also be a DC component on the AC power. That is exceptional though. Amels bonding system is connected to the shore power earth wire via the A/C systems and the watermaker 230V motor so there is that. There are quite a few marinas that use these steel plates at one more sides of the marina. Quite often these are protected with a galvanic potential to save them from corrosion. This can lead to problems on a boat. I’m not so sure if the threshold voltage of the Victron device will offer enough protection. Also there can be boats next to you with poorly designed shore power systems. Again, I’m not sure if the threshold voltage is sufficient. So in short, I don’t know if the Victron device will provide enough protection. It may be a good solution for some cases. For sure it is much cheaper and easier to install. When I read about the device I was not convinced and because of that I did go for the full separation of the shore power. Also because the shore power in this marina is a mess. We are most of the time in this marina as we are residents of St Maarten. Maybe just for fun I should measure the difference between the shore power earth and the boat’s earth. To the lazarette: Ours was leaking badly as well, but this was because of the poorly fitted twistlocks as well as worn out O-rings inside the twist locks. Another cause was the pot where the middle stanchion normally resides. Amel made a poor choice here to simply drill a hole and put the pot in with some bolts and caulking. However the core of the deck at that place is balsa. That and the forces exhibited by the stanchion makes that after a while you will get water ingress. In my case the balsa core was rotting in a ring around the hole. So I removed the wet core for the biggest part. Then I left it drying in the hot sun we have here for a few days. Finally I filled the cavity with epoxy and redrilled the bolt holes. Since then the lazarette is dry, even with extensive green water over deck. Regards, Arno SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?
I just re-upped with Topsail. It was Y-Yacht policy and then was purchased last year by Topsail. They honored the OCC (Ocean Cruising Club) discount and we have a good policy with cyclone coverage in the South Pacific if we remain at Tahiti or east of 150 during the cyclone season. The underwriter changed but the policy is still underwritten by an A+ company per by Ambest.
During the time I was waiting for the new policy, I checked with The Marine Shop Ltd. In New Zealand bases on a neighbors recommendation. The offering they sent me was identical to the policy offered by Topsail with the same underwriter. They were willing to allow a change even though the last survey of our vessel is very old.
If you are unfamiliar with Topsail (UK), they are the go to insurance company for OCC members. The Marine Shop also has a good reputation among the cruising crowd.
My rate went down considerably since we will be only in French Polynesia this next period.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Rick Stanley
I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL
group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several
months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?
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AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?
Rick Stanley
I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?
Thanks, Rick & Meadow
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Re: BILGE WATER PUMP
#replacement
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
Hi Giovanni,
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Another option you may consider is the TF Marine bilge pump we purchased from TF Marine in May last year. TF Marine has now been taken over by Gianeschi. I have attached photos of the pump. Kind regards Ross and Donna SV Intrepid Kiwi SM2K #356 Currently in Turkey
On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 1:01 pm, Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:
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Re: BILGE WATER PUMP
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Hi Giovanni I’ll keep looking. But basically the mounting holes are not the same as the AMFA pump, so I used a nylon chopping board like you have in the galley. Drilled holes to match the AMFA mounts and holes to match the Viking mounts. Bolted the Viking pump to the board and then mounted the whole thing on the AMFA mounts and bolted it up. Simple.
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Re: How to clean the bilge
Jose Alegria
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How to clean the bilge
Jose Alegria
Victor My way is. Empty, completely the bildge ( manually ) Turn off the bilge pump switch Then dilute the 2 dishwashing tablets inside the sink with hot water, plenty 20-25 literes Open the sink Put more 50 liters of hot water Wait 1/2 hour The turn on the bilge pump switch 15/15 days, Ok ? By the way my second bilge pump is a Johnson Viking Power 24 V pump Greetings José Alegria A55#003MERIT
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Dominique Sery
Scott,
I made it as simple as possible.
As it has to be installed first after shore power socket and before all devices, circuit-breakers... I installed the galvanic isolator in the aft trunk, port side, near the dock socket, in a waterproof box on the small shelf.
It is thus installed before the residual current circuit breaker and before the transfer switch.
Note that the unit is "waterproof" IP 67.
It is simply two diodes mounted in opposite directions embedded in the resin. It is not very sensitive to possible humidity. Very easy and fast to install, there is only the ground wire to be connected. Dominique
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Scott SV Tengah
Dominique, I was looking at that model also. Did you install it in the lazarette in the same place where Arno installed his Mastervolt isolation transformer? I was wondering if you could install it in the engine after the lazarette circuit breaker but before it enters the automatic transfer switch (the victron quattro in my case)? It seems far more likely to stay dry in that case. If you do as I suggested, it should be isolated from the bonding / ground, no?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Dominique Sery
Hello Scott,
I'm in the same situation as you, I rarely go to marinas so I chose to install a Victron galvanic isolator.
It's lighter, smaller, much cheaper and very easy to install.
It works perfectly.
I noticed, in Greece, in some ports a potential difference of 500 mV on the ground between the shore and the boat which seemed enormous to me.
The Victron isolator cuts 600 mVc, which is perfectly in line with my expectations.
My anodes are deteriorating very little since the installation of this insulator 2 years ago.
Sincerely
Dominique
A54#16
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Re: BILGE WATER PUMP
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Mark & Debbie Mueller
As Alan Leslie mentioned the Johnson Viking 32, we have also replaced the original AMFA pump with a Johnson Viking. It is well-built, extremely easy to maintain, has a higher output than the original pump, and a handcrank in case the power or motor fails. I could not find anything wrong with with this pump with the Johnson Viking. I could not find anything wrong with this pump since we have had it installed.
-- Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Scott SV Tengah
Arno, No need to apologize - I am happy to get advice from anyone. I agree that the 54s are far too tail heavy as is. I am looking at getting a galvanic isolator and it seems the device you installed is an isolation transformer? I know the I.T. is superior but given that I plan to spend relatively short periods in marinas, I thought the slightly inferior but far lighter/cheaper galvanic isolator would be sufficient. Thoughts? PS - wow your lazarette looks amazingly clean and dry! I think I need to replace the seal on the lid.
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:58 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote: Hi Scott,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]
Hi Scott,
Sorry to barge into your question to Mohammad. But just as some addition information for you. I have installed a Galvanic Isolator as well last year because of the poor electrical system here in the marina. I’ve installed a Mastervolt GI7 that is basically a double GI 3.5 in a single enclosure. This is an isolator based on HF-switching technology making it far less heavy then a conventional one. It works well although I do think Mastervolt missed big time on an opportunity to make it much more clever. Actually the device is not made by Mastervolt but by a Dutch OEM that also produces the Mass line of devices sold by Mastervolt. For one they could have made it fairly easy into a frequency conversion device as well (50<=>60 Hz). Also the regulation of the output voltage is not possible (out voltage is in voltage plus a few %). Finally they also offer a version of the Isolator that can convert 110 to 220 that is not available (?), at least not when I was shopping. I had some conversation with tech support at the time but their Customer Relation skills are well below par. So all in all the thing does what it’s supposed to do but Product Management has been sleeping with this thing. For me the main point aside from isolation is the weight as the thing lives in the rear lazarette (see picture). As the 54 is already very much tail-heavy I don’t want to put too much additional weight that I can avoid on the back. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121 
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