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Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill K thank you!
I have new gears, new shaft and a new lip seal, all from Amel, and it leak badly,  the new shaft surface was rather rough, I have now smooth it with 2000 grit paper, hope that will improve situation. I will install with a new lip Seal and gear oil and see how it work, else I might try Dannys on Ocean Pearl way on doing it

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul,

I use a mix of gear oil and grease that has overcome the propensity for the lubricant to leak out at the lip seal on the bow thruster propeller shaft. The mix has to be liquid enough to work its way to the bottom. I insert it with a plastic tube thin enough to fix down beside the driveshaft attached to a squeeze bottle. Has served me well for 10 years.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 20 February 2021 at 01:07 Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I have purchased both replacement switches and boots for the regular toggle switches from Digikey.com.  The boots listed below are silicone however neoprene is also available.  Go to the link and you can look up the datasheet and see the various options for the U1565 boot. These are APEM products.


Boot - https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/apem-inc/U1565/1280359
Switch - https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/apem-inc/637H-2/1280285?s=N4IgTCBcDaIGwHYCcBaAjGNSQF0C%2BQA
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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

 

Paul,

I completely agree with Bill Kinney. You will find a few people who have used grease without any issue. Remember, a few successful changes or modifications prove nothing. The bow thruster design requires gear oil. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 11:44 AM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Paul,

Grease is NOT appropriate for the bow thruster.  This is a high speed gear train and needs an oil bath.

Having oil leak while just sitting on the hard means the lip seal is bad--actually VERY bad. It is impossible to say from afar what can be wrong.  Being sure you have the right size is, of course, first.  Being sure it is installed straight, and even, is next.  If you are sure those are correct, the problem is likely the sealing surfaces themselves.  

The shaft sealing surface does eventually wear, and needs renewing.  Any roughness, scratch, or groove deep enough to feel with your fingernail is too much. I have had excellent results using a Speedi Sleeve on this surface when it has worn enough to be an issue.  

On the outside rim of the seal, where it seals on the housing, that surface can easily be scratched or gouged during the removal of the lip seal.  If there are ANY scratches there, they need to be fixed.  Sometimes this can be patched in the short run by installing the seal with a coating of RTV, but if it is damaged, it is really a machine shop job to build the surface up and machine it smooth again to the correct dimensions.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Bill Kinney
 

Paul,

Grease is NOT appropriate for the bow thruster.  This is a high speed gear train and needs an oil bath.

Having oil leak while just sitting on the hard means the lip seal is bad--actually VERY bad. It is impossible to say from afar what can be wrong.  Being sure you have the right size is, of course, first.  Being sure it is installed straight, and even, is next.  If you are sure those are correct, the problem is likely the sealing surfaces themselves.  

The shaft sealing surface does eventually wear, and needs renewing.  Any roughness, scratch, or groove deep enough to feel with your fingernail is too much. I have had excellent results using a Speedi Sleeve on this surface when it has worn enough to be an issue.  

On the outside rim of the seal, where it seals on the housing, that surface can easily be scratched or gouged during the removal of the lip seal.  If there are ANY scratches there, they need to be fixed.  Sometimes this can be patched in the short run by installing the seal with a coating of RTV, but if it is damaged, it is really a machine shop job to build the surface up and machine it smooth again to the correct dimensions.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Jamie Wendell
 

Ulrich, I think they called them rubber boots but I don't remember. When I ordered, I ordered the joysticks and boots separately. That is the way they work.
Again, the name is APEM.

This is the reference to one of the ones I ordered: SILICONE BOOT FOR 600H SERIES - JOYSTICK plus APEM DPDT Toggle Switch, (On)-Off-(On), Panel Mount

Hope that helps get you pointed to the right terminology RS uses.

Jamie


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 


Hi Jamie

THX for your quick and helpful response.
How is the correct name and brand from these sleeves from RS deliberiert. Joystick Cover or ...??
Best
Ulrich 

Am 19.02.2021 um 15:03 schrieb Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...>:

By the way, the brand Amel uses is APEM.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Aktan,

Please find attached our personal email address as we would love to stay make contact:
southernadventurer@...


Kind regards

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 5:11 pm, Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:

Hello Ross and Donna,
I saw from your email that you are currently in Turkey. I live in Izmir at the west side of Turkey. My wife and I will start to live in our boat (SM2K #469) from the beginning of July 2021. Our boat is waiting for us at Port Napoleon / South France. We bought her at the beginning of 2021 but couldn't see her till now because of pandemi. Most probably we can transfer her in May.
I just want you to know that if you need any help in Turkey for any purpose please do not hesitate to contact me. 
Where are you located now? Do you need anything?
Hope to see you around...
Best regards,
Aktan

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Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>, 19 Şub 2021 Cum, 15:34 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 



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Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Aktan Temiz
 

Hello Ross and Donna,
I saw from your email that you are currently in Turkey. I live in Izmir at the west side of Turkey. My wife and I will start to live in our boat (SM2K #469) from the beginning of July 2021. Our boat is waiting for us at Port Napoleon / South France. We bought her at the beginning of 2021 but couldn't see her till now because of pandemi. Most probably we can transfer her in May.
I just want you to know that if you need any help in Turkey for any purpose please do not hesitate to contact me. 
Where are you located now? Do you need anything?
Hope to see you around...
Best regards,
Aktan

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Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>, 19 Şub 2021 Cum, 15:34 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 



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Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Jamie Wendell
 

By the way, the brand Amel uses is APEM.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Jamie Wendell
 

I ordered some total replacement joysticks from Amel for the sail furler controls - the momentary switches. I also ordered additional switches from RS Components for the winch controls and the bow thruster, since Amel does not use the types I needed.

RS Components can supply any that you need, and they sell individual parts as well.

I replaced all my switches with the new style seen on the new Amels (A55 picture below). Very nice and they feel better in your hand than the small original ones, which were falling apart on my A54.

The web address is below:

https://americas.rsdelivers.com/

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Dear Ameliens, friends of the oceans,

wherever you are, I hope you are in good health!

On our 54 "Soleil Bleu" the rubber sleeves at the bottom of the joysticks for the bow thruster and port side anchor winch are torn and need to be replaced.
Amel is not able to supply individual parts, only complete joysticks. the most luxurious solution.

Even online at Amazon and EBay, no such rubbers are offered.
Do you have any experience with this, a supplier or an idea how I can get on? Any hints or tips are very welcome and appreciated .

Thanks to all. Fair winds and stay safe.

Best wishes and Regards
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088

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Re: ULTRA anchor 45KG or 35KG

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Amel Gang, 

We have an Ultra 35kgs on ours. 

NEVER dragged in 4 years of living largely on anchor. 

Very pleased

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 19/02/2021, at 9:23 AM, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:

Bill,
The only time I would be worried about having a very heavy anchor is if I need to leave an anchorage in a hurry and have to bring it up by hand because the windlass malfunctioned. 
The 35 kg digs in so much that it needs some help from the engine to dislodge.  Ultra’s manufacturer gives a warranty of up to a CAT 2 for the 35 Kg in an Amel  SM2000


Re: ULTRA anchor 45KG or 35KG

Jose Venegas
 

Bill,
The only time I would be worried about having a very heavy anchor is if I need to leave an anchorage in a hurry and have to bring it up by hand because the windlass malfunctioned. 
The 35 kg digs in so much that it needs some help from the engine to dislodge.  Ultra’s manufacturer gives a warranty of up to a CAT 2 for the 35 Kg in an Amel  SM2000


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dominique Sery
 

Hello,
Victron recommends that you put T fuses on each battery line in series as you have done. I planned to put in 400 A as you did. Security essential it seems to me.
I bought 6x12,8v batteries and i planned to put 3x400A fuses like you.
Dominique


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Scott SV Tengah
 

Doug,

I don't know enough about it to opine as to whether it's a good idea but if it doesn't have any negative effects, better safe than sorry. Let us know what you decide to do.

I have a 450amp "Mega" fuse on each serial pair of Victron Lithiums. I have had them blow when a technician was working on the bow thruster and during this one test forget to shutoff the main switches. The fuses probably saved us from quite a bit more damage. I have heard that Amel did not add fuses because they were concerned that with the original spec lead batteries, high loads would cause such a significant voltage drop that the amperage would spike and potentially blow the fuse. I am certainly glad I have them!

As a side note, the blown fuses showed perfect continuity but would not pass any current! Made me scratch my head for a few hours.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Amel Santorin "OYANA" HULL No 98

Dariusz Przygonski SN#89 LILA
 

Hello everybody! Does anyone here know the history, owners (also former ones), technical condition or pretty much anything relevant about Amel Santorin „OYANA” (N 89)? Thanks in advance for your help!


Re: Where best to locate Raymarine Evolution Autopilot EV-1 Sensor Core on Santorin

Grant Starling
 

Hi Antonio,

Thanks for the feedback.  If you can post a photo of the location of the flux gate that would be appreciated.  Not sure that position is any more central then my current location behind the port salon sofa, but could be a better?

Good idea keeping the 6000 as a spare - I may do the same now that you mention it.  I already have a spare rotary drive motor, so probably good to have a spare back-up system for my circumnavigation.

best
Grant

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