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Mango Refit?

Carles Dolz
 

Hello to all!

We are a couple looking for a sailboat to live aboard within some years and perhaps crosse some oceans. Obviously, we have on the radar the Amels, perhaps a Santorin (the SM are a bit of of ou budget).

Some days ago I found an old Mango for sale near home from 1980, and we visit it. The boat is in a better condition than we expected, the wood inside is in good condition, no leaks from the port-holes, some glued carpet in the floors, upholstery old fashioned but in good condition. The deck seems had be painted, the hard dogger is ok... One owner.

Seems as if this boat have with the same equipment from factory: engine is a Perkins, no genset. Old bow thruster type. No furling genoa or main sail, agged electronics... During visit the broker tell us that don't know the boat's history, and nothing about the maintenance, engine condition...(he don't found the engine keys)

The boat have osmosis, I don't know how serious it is. Perhaps I can have a very good discount on his low asking price.

Apart of the osmosis treatment, engine rebuild, and other specialized works, I can make many of the jobs myself.

So, I my main doubt now is if its a good idea to do the refit of this boat or to leave pass and go for a smaller Santorin around 100k €. One of my concern is that I like the easy management of sails on the newest Amels (Santorin) with his furling sails with electric engines, and I don't want to have to go to the mast to control halyards, reefs,..

What do you thing: the Mango is a model that deserve such refit? The furling main sail is a must? Things that I should check before buy?

Best regards


Re: Super Maramu interior upgrades

karkauai
 
Edited

We modified the settee so that the back can recline a little, and added pullout footrests.  It is much more comfortable to sit in than before.  We are adding a mini projection TV above the settee and a pull down screen for watching movies.  The screen will be removed while sailing and stored wrapped in a blanket with the emergency tiller.
Also added a tool storage area in forward hanging locker and drawer under bottom step of companionway ladder.

When all is finished I'll post pics.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Daniel,

If you are considering buying Mango, I would ask one of the volunteers to take a look at it.

However, before you sign a contract I would ask Olivier to fly there to survey the boat.

There is no one that knows more about Amel’s than he does.

Whatever the cost it would be worth it as there could be something wrong with the boat that an owner might not

see and cost you a fortune to fix.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Alexander Thompson
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

 

Hello Guys

I'm currently hoping to purchase an Amel Mango in Split, Croatia. Right now, I am in Panama City and unable to get to Croatia in the next four weeks. I am hoping there be an Amel owner in Split or the surrounding area who might be able to take a look at her for me. I would be more than willing to pay an hourly rate for the time taken and cover any and all travel expenses. 

Bestest Regards 


Re: C drive drain bolt

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Bill,
Understood, thanks for clarifying.

My use of the word "tight" was related to the bolt not being "loose" and therefore able to move around. When I did this job in 2019, I bought a number of different standard-sized bonded washers to try and get a "not-loose" position of the V-bolt which also lined up with the line-cutter.  I was unable to achieve that goal. The use of mastic as a sealant/fixing compound is required to ensure the bolt remains "not-loose".

This was another one of those classic boat projects which should take a couple of hours to complete, but extends to days waiting for washers to arrive by mail!

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella
A54-154       


Re: Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 
Edited

Thanks, Bill.

I sent a private message, Slavko. Thank you.

Thank you for your reply, Mohammad, I will give this good consideration. 


Re: C drive drain bolt

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Paul,

Here is a page from McMaster showing sealing washers.

Scroll down the page

https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/127/3499.

The drain bolt just has to be snug.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] C drive drain bolt

 

Thank you Bill!
You are correct as always, but the washer in the bottom of the hole needs to be compressed i bit I assume? in that case some tightness is needed.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi;

 

Our Amel is currently wintered in Montenegro. We are not on board and will not be there for at least another month or two. We did have to hire a surveyor due to insurance requirements last year, even though we could not travel due to COVID. The surveyor turned out to be very professional and responsive. He is not an Amel expert, but could potentially provide some useful feedback. If you wish, I could reach out to him and see if a pre-purchase visit would be possible and what would be the costs, or put you in direct contact. Let me know which you prefer.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Alexander Thompson via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

 

Hello Guys

I'm currently hoping to purchase an Amel Mango in Split, Croatia. Right now, I am in Panama City and unable to get to Croatia in the next four weeks. I am hoping there be an Amel owner in Split or the surrounding area who might be able to take a look at her for me. I would be more than willing to pay an hourly rate for the time taken and cover any and all travel expenses. 

Bestest Regards 


Re: Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hello,

i am in Ljubljana, Slovenia, 6 hours drive from Split. I could go and check for you. I would need to do PSR test. I can go there next week.

regards,
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

 

This is a great way for someone nearby to help a Buyer of an Amel. I really hope there is someone nearby.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:32 AM Daniel Alexander Thompson <Thompson.Xander@...> wrote:
Hello Guys

I'm currently hoping to purchase an Amel Mango in Split, Croatia. Right now, I am in Panama City and unable to get to Croatia in the next four weeks. I am hoping there be an Amel owner in Split or the surrounding area who might be able to take a look at her for me. I would be more than willing to pay an hourly rate for the time taken and cover any and all travel expenses. 

Bestest Regards 


Amel Mango in Split - Can somebody take a look at it for me? I'm happy to pay for the Service. #solution

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 
Edited

Hello Guys

I'm currently hoping to purchase an Amel Mango in Split, Croatia. Right now, I am in Panama City and unable to get to Croatia in the next four weeks. I am hoping there be an Amel owner in Split or the surrounding area who might be able to take a look at her for me. I would be more than willing to pay an hourly rate for the time taken and cover any and all travel expenses. 

Also if anybody knows a respected marine surveyor in Croatia (perhaps Split) please do let me know. (I deleted the other message about this)

Bestest Regards


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dave, 

Thanks for the compliments!  I was going to mention the key on the shaft, but it has already be mentionned by several people.  I bet this is where your problem comes from!

Sincerely, Alexandre (and glad the illustrations are useful)



On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 03:08:43 PM CST, David Kurtz via groups.io <davidwkurtz@...> wrote:


Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: C drive drain bolt

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Bill!
You are correct as always, but the washer in the bottom of the hole needs to be compressed i bit I assume? in that case some tightness is needed.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

HI David The key is the second line of defence for the gearbox of the anchor winch. The first is the cone clutch which slips if the winch is overloaded. If it is tightened too much and the operator is brutal the key will eventually fail and sheer off. This is the last line of defence for the gears. Anchor raising should be done in a manner that is sensitive to these facts.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 February 2021 at 12:51 "David Kurtz via groups.io" <Davidwkurtz@...> wrote:

Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: C drive drain bolt

Bill Kinney
 

It is important to understand that the O-ring seal on the drain plug does not work by being "tight." It works just by rubbing up against the outside of the hole that it fits in, and that fit does not not tighter by cranking harder on the nut.

O-rings seals--of any kind--rarely work better by making them "tighter". If they leak, it is usually because of scratches or other damage to the sealing face.  In almost all cases, squeezing harder does not fix the problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

michael winand
 

I would order a new inner cone and the service kit.  If your keyway looks like the one in Bills photo you will have a difficult time getting it off the shaft. 
The service kit has new screws for the access plate to be able to remove the shaft.  These should be replaced as the old ones can be challenging to remove. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 10:15 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
The worst case, a machine shop can cut a new key slot 180 degrees from the current slot and you can get a new key. Likewise, a machine shop can enlarge keyways and make a key to size.

GREASE THE CONES.😀

If anyone does not believe the cone should be greased, read this from your Lofrans Manual:

image.png


Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:51 PM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

The worst case, a machine shop can cut a new key slot 180 degrees from the current slot and you can get a new key. Likewise, a machine shop can enlarge keyways and make a key to size.

GREASE THE CONES.😀

If anyone does not believe the cone should be greased, read this from your Lofrans Manual:

image.png


Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:51 PM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

David Kurtz
 

Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 


snippet from my book:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 4:33 PM michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
I have just fully refurbished. Mine. 
You may have a problem with the key way on the inner cone. Mine was a bit twisted. If is damaged it may not engage the cone. 
I replaced the shaft, inner cone, all seals, oil, keyways, 
All parts are available. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 7:33 am, eric freedman

Hi Dave,

The gypsy sits on a cone. If it encounters too much resistance it is designed to slip.

You might check to see if the chain in the locker is jumbled and kicked.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

michael winand
 

I have just fully refurbished. Mine. 
You may have a problem with the key way on the inner cone. Mine was a bit twisted. If is damaged it may not engage the cone. 
I replaced the shaft, inner cone, all seals, oil, keyways, 
All parts are available. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 7:33 am, eric freedman
<kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Dave,

The gypsy sits on a cone. If it encounters too much resistance it is designed to slip.

You might check to see if the chain in the locker is jumbled and kicked.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Amel 55 fuel tank guage accuracy

Billy Newport
 

And to finish this out. We measured about 60g in the tank when we emptied it today at an indicated 1/4 which is correct. I added 168g today and the gauge shows full correctly with 228g of fuel which is pretty full. I must have made a mistake before...

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