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Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dave, 

Thanks for the compliments!  I was going to mention the key on the shaft, but it has already be mentionned by several people.  I bet this is where your problem comes from!

Sincerely, Alexandre (and glad the illustrations are useful)



On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 03:08:43 PM CST, David Kurtz via groups.io <davidwkurtz@...> wrote:


Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: C drive drain bolt

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Bill!
You are correct as always, but the washer in the bottom of the hole needs to be compressed i bit I assume? in that case some tightness is needed.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

HI David The key is the second line of defence for the gearbox of the anchor winch. The first is the cone clutch which slips if the winch is overloaded. If it is tightened too much and the operator is brutal the key will eventually fail and sheer off. This is the last line of defence for the gears. Anchor raising should be done in a manner that is sensitive to these facts.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 February 2021 at 12:51 "David Kurtz via groups.io" <Davidwkurtz@...> wrote:

Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: C drive drain bolt

Bill Kinney
 

It is important to understand that the O-ring seal on the drain plug does not work by being "tight." It works just by rubbing up against the outside of the hole that it fits in, and that fit does not not tighter by cranking harder on the nut.

O-rings seals--of any kind--rarely work better by making them "tighter". If they leak, it is usually because of scratches or other damage to the sealing face.  In almost all cases, squeezing harder does not fix the problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

michael winand
 

I would order a new inner cone and the service kit.  If your keyway looks like the one in Bills photo you will have a difficult time getting it off the shaft. 
The service kit has new screws for the access plate to be able to remove the shaft.  These should be replaced as the old ones can be challenging to remove. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 10:15 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
The worst case, a machine shop can cut a new key slot 180 degrees from the current slot and you can get a new key. Likewise, a machine shop can enlarge keyways and make a key to size.

GREASE THE CONES.😀

If anyone does not believe the cone should be greased, read this from your Lofrans Manual:

image.png


Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:51 PM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

The worst case, a machine shop can cut a new key slot 180 degrees from the current slot and you can get a new key. Likewise, a machine shop can enlarge keyways and make a key to size.

GREASE THE CONES.😀

If anyone does not believe the cone should be greased, read this from your Lofrans Manual:

image.png


Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:51 PM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

David Kurtz
 

Thanks, guys.  Yeah, I looked at that photo in your book, Bill.  I should probably pull the gipsy off next time I'm on the boat just to see if I need to order some parts.  I guess I can see where if the key is distorted I may not be able to fully tighten the gipsy.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 


snippet from my book:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 4:33 PM michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
I have just fully refurbished. Mine. 
You may have a problem with the key way on the inner cone. Mine was a bit twisted. If is damaged it may not engage the cone. 
I replaced the shaft, inner cone, all seals, oil, keyways, 
All parts are available. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 7:33 am, eric freedman

Hi Dave,

The gypsy sits on a cone. If it encounters too much resistance it is designed to slip.

You might check to see if the chain in the locker is jumbled and kicked.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

michael winand
 

I have just fully refurbished. Mine. 
You may have a problem with the key way on the inner cone. Mine was a bit twisted. If is damaged it may not engage the cone. 
I replaced the shaft, inner cone, all seals, oil, keyways, 
All parts are available. 
Michael  Nebo sm251 


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 7:33 am, eric freedman
<kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Dave,

The gypsy sits on a cone. If it encounters too much resistance it is designed to slip.

You might check to see if the chain in the locker is jumbled and kicked.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Amel 55 fuel tank guage accuracy

Billy Newport
 

And to finish this out. We measured about 60g in the tank when we emptied it today at an indicated 1/4 which is correct. I added 168g today and the gauge shows full correctly with 228g of fuel which is pretty full. I must have made a mistake before...


Re: C drive drain bolt

Dean Gillies
 

Paul, I could not get my bolt to align correctly and also be tight. I tried different washers etc. In the end I consulted the Forum and the common wisdom is to use mastic to seal the bolt in the correct position.
Cheers, Dean
SV Stella
A54-154


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Re: great source for watermaker membranes.

eric freedman
 

Try Amazon,

Less expensive than airwaterice and free prime shipping if you have prime.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Smith via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 10:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] great source for watermaker membranes.

 

I recently purchased them through an Amazon site, Wateranywhere, and they arrived quickly and were very affordably priced.  As Bill R says, they are Dow Filmtec, so I am not sure how they would suffer from a quality issue that wouldn’t affect all sellers.  Mine were for the Duo 100, which uses the Sw30-2521.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 1:03 PM
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] great source for watermaker membranes.

 

 
AirWaterIce in Florida sales@... or 772-461-0256

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 12:00 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bill , Is there a dealer here in the States that you would recommend that have fair prices? A bit chilly down there ,I hope you have electricity ,take care.

Thanks, 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2021 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] great source for watermaker membranes.

😀 Filmtech makes special-length membranes for some watermaker manufacturers. I assume that the reason some watermaker manufacturers would want a membrane that is slightly shorter or longer is so that they can charge you a lot for the membrane.😀

 

The most common size saltwater membrane is the SW30 2540 (2.5" X 40") which is sold for near 200 euro. Of course, you can buy the exact same Filmtech membrane from some suppliers for as much as 600 euro. It's your choice, but you will receive exactly the same membrane.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:18 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Except, from what I have been taught by THE MASTER, you have a SPECTRA water maker. Then the length is slightly shorter and you are forced to buy from SPECTRA .

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

February 17, 2021 10:18:00

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 07:57
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] great source for watermaker membranes.

 

Remember there is one manufacturer of membranes in the world. Regardless of where you buy them, they are the same and made by Filmtech

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 6:17 PM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,

I am just in process of ordering membranes for my D60 dessalator. The price of SW30-2540 on the site you have in your mail is very affordable. What is your experience with them. I would need membranes in Slovenia, EU.

Regards,
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

eric freedman
 

Hi Dave,

The gypsy sits on a cone. If it encounters too much resistance it is designed to slip.

You might check to see if the chain in the locker is jumbled and kicked.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Lofrans Tigres Windlass gipsy

David Kurtz
 

Last season I found that my gipsy slipped despite tightening the wing nut down as tight as I could (used a few taps from a hammer at one point).  I've owned Celtic Cross for one season and I'm going to pull apart the windlass for routine maintenance using Alexander Von Uster's excellent maintenance photos.  The question I have is whether my gipsy is simply worn out and needs replacement or will the maintenance routine restore it to full functionality?  It's essentially a clutch so it looks like it can wear out eventually.

--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Vindvane on a 54?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Perfect, thanks!!!


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:56 PM Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Scott,

You can find the brushes for 56 euros.
https://www.nautiboutique.fr/produit/charbons-pour-moteur-de-pilote-type-2-raymarine-n034/
They sell many spares for Raymarine.
i have ordered several times in their webshop without problem.
they are very helpfull.
Ask them before ordering if it’s ok for your pilote engine.

Dominique


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: companionway

Eloi Bamberg
 

Thank you everybody,
I meant the horizontal part but it is good to know that talcum helps on the rubber seal. I have anyway to re-varnish the wooden parts. Afterwords i will try the sliding tape

regards

Eloi
SM2K 426


Re: Vindvane on a 54?

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Scott,

You can find the brushes for 56 euros.
https://www.nautiboutique.fr/produit/charbons-pour-moteur-de-pilote-type-2-raymarine-n034/
They sell many spares for Raymarine.
i have ordered several times in their webshop without problem.
they are very helpfull.
Ask them before ordering if it’s ok for your pilote engine.

Dominique


Re: Amel 55 fuel tank guage accuracy

Billy Newport
 
Edited

I have the tank cleaned and polished today. We pulled about 60 gallons out which matches the 1/4 level on the gauge. We're still unsure though as last time we were at 1/4, we added 106 gallons to what we thought was full and the gauge showed full but based on today that would only put 166g in the tank and capacity is 230 so maybe slow down fill and keep filling...

Also, we found when we removed the inspection hatch under the captain bunk, there was diesel in the center of the rubber gasket. The gasket is a full circle on my boat, not a ring so the fuel got up there somehow and pooled in the center of the gasket. I didn't find any fuel on the bunk itself happily but something that wouldn't happen with a ring gasket for example maybe. We ended up using a little sealant on the bolts and tightened it a little more, the bolts didn't seem very tight when we removed the inspection cover.


Re: companionway

Barry Connor
 

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.
I have been sanding, cleaning this door for months after the 2nd Captain put some teak stain on to make it look pretty. Building my muscles lifting it up and pushing it down.
The talc de toilette powder is great.
Really makes it worth reading all posts.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Le Marin,  Martinique 


On Feb 24, 2021, at 10:49, Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:


Hi to all,
...in PDF. " Pay attention to the rubber weather strip and do not allow it to fold under itself when lowering the door"... solution: talcum powder on black rubber/teak surface. Very easy and effective.
Fair winds
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 24/02/2021 14:35, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:
When others have checked with Amel, they were told no, but things always seem to change. I would check.
This may help you.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 2:33 AM Jarek Zemlo via groups.io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi

is it possible to get the rubber scraper (for the companionway) from AMEL or other source?

Regards
Jarek
NOA BLUE


Re: companionway

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi to all,
...in PDF. " Pay attention to the rubber weather strip and do not allow it to fold under itself when lowering the door"... solution: talcum powder on black rubber/teak surface. Very easy and effective.
Fair winds
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 24/02/2021 14:35, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:
When others have checked with Amel, they were told no, but things always seem to change. I would check.
This may help you.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 2:33 AM Jarek Zemlo via groups.io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi

is it possible to get the rubber scraper (for the companionway) from AMEL or other source?

Regards
Jarek
NOA BLUE

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