Date   

Re: Sea Chest

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the clarification. I can see how it would help keeping units downstream of the manifold primed. A54 (at least ours, but I believe all) have a check valve in front of the anchor wash pump, although it’s prone to clogging open and fail, like I described in post
Incidentally, it has failed again a few months after I had cleaned it, so I probably need to change it. The symptoms (squirting in the cockpit drain) reappeared and I resorted to grey tape the anchor wash outlet as a temporary measure, which stopped the squirting immediately. 

Having said that, your device doesn’t help purging out  air accumulated in the seachest through the thruhull, because of air bubbles or a deep roll while sailing. That accumulated air still needs to be evacuated through the raw water consumers. On the A54 the fridge circulation pump usually does that job. 


Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Huahine, French Polynesia 


On 10 Apr 2021, at 01:53, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Mark,

That brass one-valve was not original. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 10:48 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I have a one-way flap valve between the manifold and the sea-chest/strainer. It is not possible for water to easily flow backward toward the sea-chest even if the engine or genset pulls water faster than the strainer can provide (if dirty). This ensures my pumps for AC, water makers and heads remain primed and I get no air in the sea-chest. The original was brass and I upgraded to stainless when I rebuilt the manifold.

 

Check valves - Check valves manufacturer - SIO

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 2:40 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sea Chest

 

That would certainly suck air into the strainer because the suction from various pumps would overcome a one-way valve. All of the one-way valves I am familiar with for water do not work well for air.

 

I am not sure what Mark is talking about because the sea chest contains the strainer.

image.png

 

image.png

 

 

 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 6:19 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

hi Mark,

 

Can you expand on that idea? I don’t really see where that valve would be?

 

Bill, 

What do you think of a hose out of the Vetus lid, up over the water line and outputting in the cockpit drain (which is very nearby on the A54), with a one way valve to let accumulated air out into the cockpit drain but preventing any suction of air through there? 

Raw water consumers would pump sea water through the chest and strainer and any accumulated air (up to the waterline) would rejoin the atmosphere by simple gravity. 

Arguably, the rolling motion of the boat would continuously fill that one-way hose with sea water until it overflows in the drain. Also, removing the vetus lid for maintenance of he sea chest would be messier, having to deal with the water left in the hose. Maybe a Gardena type adapter to easily remove the hose from the lid even if it’s full. The same fitting could be used to feed the system fresh water for wintering like Arno did.

 

Any views ?

 

Thanks

 

Fair winds

 

Thomas

GARULFO 

A54-122

Huahine, French Polynesia 

 

 

 

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 11:28, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The most effective way I have found to prevent air accumulation in the strainer it to install a one-way flow valve between the strainer and the sea-chest.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

 


Re: ACMO v Kos Hama X rigging wire

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill
I asked Acmo, the cost including fittings was 10631 € fd, remains installation and tuning, The cost to have the whole job done with Kos wire is 9100 € with Selden fittings and the turnbuckles for The fore stay that has to be ACMO, that including the masts on and off. To motivate the Extra cost of  minimum 3000 €, there has to be substantial advantages, not only the measurements. 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Lagos, Portugal


Re: ACMO v Kos Hama X rigging wire

 

Paul, in the cases I was referring to the rigger used the same size wire that was originally installed. But, Amel twice changed the size of the wire on the 54 main shrouds. Neither the rigger nor the owner was aware of the change.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 1:06 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Thank you Bill, But have can they miss the dimension on the wire? I assume the original size should be good enough.
Paul


Re: Best Sailrite flightcase storage in A54?

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

Many thanks for your input, there are quite a few interesting options.

I should have asked in the original post, but do you have any particular fittings/fasteners to secure the heavy beast in your chosen storage space?

And if anyone else has a storage solution on starboard, it would help with our Lithium induced port list...

Cheers, 

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Huahine, French Polynesia

On 10 Apr 2021, at 03:48, Alexander Hofmann <DACJ@...> wrote:

Hello Arno, Scott and Domenique,

Yes, funny indeed to exchange the few possible storage positions. Mine is under the front portside cabin's bed. But I think, Arno's suggestion is the best. Will think it over.
Fair winds - out of Covid

Alexander Hofmann. SY Oceanica I. Amel54#156


Re: ACMO v Kos Hama X rigging wire

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Bill, But have can they miss the dimension on the wire? I assume the original size should be good enough.
Paul


Re: Recommendations for a Med Refit for Amel Maramu

Alain Blanchard
 

Hello Steve,

I am quite new with Amel (I acquired my SM last November).

I had to replace some sidestays following the survey from Olivier Beaute. Since the boat was in La Grande Motte, I have asked « Vega Voile » to do the job.
My request was clearly for  ACMO manufacture that I confirmed several times by phone and/or e-mails.
When I came back to the boat after they completed the job, I discovered that they replaced the sidestays with Soromap VMG material. 
So For the standing rigging I could recommand Seanergie Nautic in Hyeres. I thing They are well known from Amel owners and they were some Euros below Vega Voile quote 
This is just my expérience in Med and maybe I am a single case with Vega Voile, but coincidentally there are some post at this time about standing rigging and the advantage with ACMO ....

Regards
Alain SM 146 Koriolys 



Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 11 avr. 2021 à 19:29, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


I always recommend:
Nicky’s Rigging & Marine Services
Malta
Mobile +356 79271668
Email. nickysail@...

Nicky has re-rigged a large number of my client's Amels. If you help him by simply handing him the pieces he requests, he will single-handedly complete your Amel in 2 days. His prices are reasonable and he will possibly fly to where your boat is. You can afford his travel expenses because he will be less than others. I suggest that you order a rigging kit from ACMO and make arrangements for Nicky to install it either in Malta or where you are.

Laetitia Boudon <laetitia@...>, +33 03 81 35 70 86
ACMO
1 rue de couleu
25310 GLAY
FRANCE

You might also try Emek Marine in Gosheck, Turkey. I bought my solar arch from them. It was the first one they made for a SM. I believe about 70 Amel owners have also bought an arch from Emek. Riza <cagdas@...>
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:17 PM Steve Hoefel <shoefel48@...> wrote:
Amelians,
   For the past 19 years it has been my honor to care for a true Amel classic, Maramu #25.  She is as SV Trident Star alive and well sailing Mediterranean waters.  Over those years I have looked forward to each and every posting in this owners group.  Anticipating a near term refit I turn to this brain trust for recommendations for a serious refit location.  I am looking to update the standing rigging, adding a stainless arch and davits, a possible repower, and upgrading the sail plan.  La Rochelle seems an obvious choice, but my sailing grounds are more focused on the eastern end of the Med, so looking for other options.  Looking for someone and somewhere I can be part of the process.  TIA.

Steve Hoefel
sv Trident Star
Maramu #25


Re: Recommendations for a Med Refit for Amel Maramu

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Steve,

You may want to consider Turkey for having the majority (if not all of this work done)

Q Sails in Izmir can advise and provide new sails as they have already for many Amels. They can also arrange order, delivery to Turkey and fitting of new standing rigging from ACMO in France.

Emek Marin in Gocek, have built about 80 stainless steel solar arches and Davits and can fit them along with solar panels and MPPT.

I cannot recommend anyone at this stage for engine repower.

Kind regards
Ross Hickey
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently Finike, Turkey


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 8:17 pm, Steve Hoefel <shoefel48@...> wrote:

Amelians,
   For the past 19 years it has been my honor to care for a true Amel classic, Maramu #25.  She is as SV Trident Star alive and well sailing Mediterranean waters.  Over those years I have looked forward to each and every posting in this owners group.  Anticipating a near term refit I turn to this brain trust for recommendations for a serious refit location.  I am looking to update the standing rigging, adding a stainless arch and davits, a possible repower, and upgrading the sail plan.  La Rochelle seems an obvious choice, but my sailing grounds are more focused on the eastern end of the Med, so looking for other options.  Looking for someone and somewhere I can be part of the process.  TIA.

Steve Hoefel
sv Trident Star
Maramu #25


Re: White plastic "tube" standing rigging protection?

 

Steve,

In my experience, it depends on how tight the plastic is to the wire and how well you rinse the wire inside the plastic. Also sometimes dust will accumulate between the wire and the plastic and that dust will hold moisture. Some areas of the world are kinder to rigging wire covered in plastic and some owners rinse the wire better than others.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:26 PM Steve Hoefel <shoefel48@...> wrote:
Not withstanding all the recommendations to remove the covering, I had the plastic covering on the rigging when I purchased Maramu #25 (1978) in 2002.  Minimal evident of UV erosion or rusting on the covered rigging, knock on wood.

Steve Hoefel
SV Trident Star
Maramu #25


Re: Recommendations for a Med Refit for Amel Maramu

 

I always recommend:
Nicky’s Rigging & Marine Services
Malta
Mobile +356 79271668
Email. nickysail@...

Nicky has re-rigged a large number of my client's Amels. If you help him by simply handing him the pieces he requests, he will single-handedly complete your Amel in 2 days. His prices are reasonable and he will possibly fly to where your boat is. You can afford his travel expenses because he will be less than others. I suggest that you order a rigging kit from ACMO and make arrangements for Nicky to install it either in Malta or where you are.

Laetitia Boudon <laetitia@...>, +33 03 81 35 70 86
ACMO
1 rue de couleu
25310 GLAY
FRANCE

You might also try Emek Marine in Gosheck, Turkey. I bought my solar arch from them. It was the first one they made for a SM. I believe about 70 Amel owners have also bought an arch from Emek. Riza <cagdas@...>
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:17 PM Steve Hoefel <shoefel48@...> wrote:
Amelians,
   For the past 19 years it has been my honor to care for a true Amel classic, Maramu #25.  She is as SV Trident Star alive and well sailing Mediterranean waters.  Over those years I have looked forward to each and every posting in this owners group.  Anticipating a near term refit I turn to this brain trust for recommendations for a serious refit location.  I am looking to update the standing rigging, adding a stainless arch and davits, a possible repower, and upgrading the sail plan.  La Rochelle seems an obvious choice, but my sailing grounds are more focused on the eastern end of the Med, so looking for other options.  Looking for someone and somewhere I can be part of the process.  TIA.

Steve Hoefel
sv Trident Star
Maramu #25


Re: White plastic "tube" standing rigging protection?

Steve Hoefel
 

Not withstanding all the recommendations to remove the covering, I had the plastic covering on the rigging when I purchased Maramu #25 (1978) in 2002.  Minimal evident of UV erosion or rusting on the covered rigging, knock on wood.

Steve Hoefel
SV Trident Star
Maramu #25


Recommendations for a Med Refit for Amel Maramu

Steve Hoefel
 

Amelians,
   For the past 19 years it has been my honor to care for a true Amel classic, Maramu #25.  She is as SV Trident Star alive and well sailing Mediterranean waters.  Over those years I have looked forward to each and every posting in this owners group.  Anticipating a near term refit I turn to this brain trust for recommendations for a serious refit location.  I am looking to update the standing rigging, adding a stainless arch and davits, a possible repower, and upgrading the sail plan.  La Rochelle seems an obvious choice, but my sailing grounds are more focused on the eastern end of the Med, so looking for other options.  Looking for someone and somewhere I can be part of the process.  TIA.

Steve Hoefel
sv Trident Star
Maramu #25


Re: ACMO v Kos Hama X rigging wire

 

Paul,

ACMO uses German wire and makes their own fittings, turnbuckles, etc. They make swage or mechanical fittings. They offer chrome-plated bronze turnbuckles or stainless steel turnbuckles with a bronze insert.

The primary reasons that ACMO should be considered the best supplier to Amel owners are:
  1. ACMO is the original supplier to Amel and has made standing rigging for Amel for at least the past 40 years
  2. ACMO has the exact measurements and specifications from Amel
  3. As Amel changes those specifications as they did twice for the Amel 54, ACMO is advised by Amel.
I am aware of at least 2 Amels that were re-rigged with something other than ACMO, where neither the rigger nor the owner was aware of Amel's updated changes to rigging wire size. If the owners had used ACMO, they would not had to change the newly installed rigging at their expense.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 11:00 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Hello!
There s a claim that ACMO rigging wire are superior to other rigging wire, in what way is it superior? A common rigging wire is Hama X by Kos ( one of the largest wire producers )
Both Kos and ACMO are in 316 steel
Kos min breaking strength is for 10 mm wire 8400 kg
Acmo min breaking strength for 10 mm is 7900 kg ca 6% less.
Concerning stretch I have not found any info, but assume stretch rather linear to braking strength
Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259, Lagos Portugal 


ACMO v Kos Hama X rigging wire

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
There s a claim that ACMO rigging wire are superior to other rigging wire, in what way is it superior? A common rigging wire is Hama X by Kos ( one of the largest wire producers )
Both Kos and ACMO are in 316 steel
Kos min breaking strength is for 10 mm wire 8400 kg
Acmo min breaking strength for 10 mm is 7900 kg ca 6% less.
Concerning stretch I have not found any info, but assume stretch rather linear to braking strength
Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259, Lagos Portugal 


Re: White plastic "tube" standing rigging protection?

 

I recommend removing the white plastic wire covers. I also recommend not sailing with flogging sails.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 1:24 AM Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:
Hi guys, the plastic tubes were standard installed by AMEL factory when I bought my AMEL 54 #144 in 2010. They fell apart slowly after a couple of years due to intensive UV. When I was at AMEL yard in the Med for some refitting three years ago, I also asked to refit the damaged plastik tubes. Instead to refit the damged ones, they recommended to remove all of the plastic tubes since they just might produce rust. Now I have no more plastic tubes....


Re: Joel's presentation and Brunswick, GA

 

In Joel's defense, most Floridians rarely leave Florida and many believe the earth ends at the state line. I am pretty sure that Joel's denigration of Brunswick, Georgia was a spur-of-the-moment and unplanned comment. I don't think Joel ever makes spur-of-the-moment and unplanned comments. I have known him to be a man of few words.😀😀

And, Craig, you did not include the Free Happy Hour at the marina every day!🐒

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:27 PM Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great presentation, Joel, BUT...
I can't believe your callous denigration of Brunswick, Georgia, USA as a place where you can't get a decent Hamburger (or, presumably, a Hot Dog) - 
how could you possibly have missed "Willie's WEE-NEE WAGON" with their WORLD FAMOUS WILLIE'S BURGER. I mean who else is going to "RELISH YOUR BUN". And it's walking distance from the marina and goes so well with the marina's 24/7 free beer, free happy hours and free Tuesday Bible study.
Seldom has there been a better life balance.
Cheers, Craig-
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Lofrans Tigris Windlass

Ian Park
 
Edited

Just replaced my windlass after removal, clean and service. I trapped a wire while bolting back it back down and found the up/down buttons no longer worked. The helm joystick worked fine.
On dismantling again I checked the voltage in the switches and there was non. The wires were still intact and I traced them back to the bow thruster locker and tested at the junction block. There is no voltage there either. Checking the Lofrans wiring diagram they indicate a 5 amp fuse for that part of the circuit. Does anyone know where it might be located?. The main wiring harness that includes the red + wire disappears into a deck conduit back to the area above the galley.
Does anyone have any information about this?



Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96
UK (Wales)


Re: White plastic "tube" standing rigging protection?

Alexander Hofmann
 

Hi Bob and Rob!

 

This remembers me to the days, before I left La Rochelle after 3 years after buying my ship. As a proud and happy Amel owner I wanted to have the standing rigging in ‘bright shiny white’ as the ship.

 

Now, almost 5 years later, I am really happy that all of this plastic nonsense has been removed by myself, by various riggers – or has just fallen off, for 2 important reasons:

 

  1. I am a sailor, a diver and an ocean lover, with respect for all the creatures in the water. They eat the small plastic parts from the rotten plastic rigging protection, and a lot starve and die from it. The small pieces are the worst, because they are swallowed by little fish and often fully block their digestion fully. I did not manage to get this stuff off without loads of parts fallen into the sea, although I really tried hardly.

 

  1. In between the shiny white plastic covers and the standing rigging you accumulate moisture, as well as any kind of dirt, which does not leave and leads to earlier corrosion. I am an engineer, specialized in material science, and corrosion protection made out my career as an entrepreneur, bringing environmental protection, sustainability and economic success together. My ship is still in Lanzarote, some 80 nm from Africa, and often in the ‘Calima’ wind which carries incredible amounts of sand with it. To this interesting mixture of corrosion stimulant on our standing rigging, we all add constantly a bit of sea water salt, without any chance to get washed off or dried. What we create is a wonderful corrosive media. This is not the road to success.

 

Never in my life – and the life of my ship – I will mount anymore this nonsense plastic covers.

 

I have installed a Kärcher K2 fixed in the cockpit locker with a high pressure tube for reaching the bow and the stern fully. Also I have a long prolongation tube, I can reach the main mast top with it. In the light of my explanations above you might understand why I have taken it onboard!

 

All the best, fair winds

 

Alexander Hofmann, SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156

 

 

 


Re: White plastic "tube" standing rigging protection?

Ralph Heilig
 

Hi guys, the plastic tubes were standard installed by AMEL factory when I bought my AMEL 54 #144 in 2010. They fell apart slowly after a couple of years due to intensive UV. When I was at AMEL yard in the Med for some refitting three years ago, I also asked to refit the damaged plastik tubes. Instead to refit the damged ones, they recommended to remove all of the plastic tubes since they just might produce rust. Now I have no more plastic tubes....


Joel's presentation and Brunswick, GA

Craig Briggs
 

Great presentation, Joel, BUT...
I can't believe your callous denigration of Brunswick, Georgia, USA as a place where you can't get a decent Hamburger (or, presumably, a Hot Dog) - 
how could you possibly have missed "Willie's WEE-NEE WAGON" with their WORLD FAMOUS WILLIE'S BURGER. I mean who else is going to "RELISH YOUR BUN". And it's walking distance from the marina and goes so well with the marina's 24/7 free beer, free happy hours and free Tuesday Bible study.
Seldom has there been a better life balance.
Cheers, Craig-
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: FW: Amel Owners Survey Results

Teun BAAS
 

In today’s, very interesting & informative, AYOG ZOOM meeting Joel POTTER also specifically warned for the escalating boat insurance problems and to make sure you are able to obtain cover BEFORE buying a boat.

 

It might not be a problem in EUROPE however it surely is a problem in USA, CARIBBEAN as well as in SOUTH PACIFIC.

See if your EUROPEAN carrier is willing to ensure you sailing in any of these waters without either excessive premiums and/or excessive (long/lat; named storms; calendar block out periods etc.) restrictions/conditions.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 10, 2021 14:37:39

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann-Sofie via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:29
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FW: Amel Owners Survey Results

 

In Europe there is no problem to get an insurance.

This must be a US problem.

Hälsningar

Ann-Sofie Svanberg

 

 

Skickat från min iPhone



10/04/2021 kl. 18:19 skrev Teun BAAS <teun@...>:



Just attended this morning the OCC (Ocean Cruising Club) Annual Meeting.

 

During the meeting it was mentioned that it is becoming very difficult to obtain insurance for our boats and an ad hoc vote was taken asking if the OCC should get involved.

Abt. 83% voted YES; about 4% NO and 13% NO OPINION.

 

Clearly more & more boat insurance is becoming a problem but not every AMEL owner is aware of this right now until they are being declined for renewal.

 

We have a small group of AMEL owners researching the possibility of getting coverage where we are more involved/in control. Although we have had a respectable number of feed back on our survey so far we still would like to have more in order to have a meaningful discussion with re-insurance/front companies. The survey is completely confidential; with the exception of JB none of the research team members have access to the completed surveys!!!

Attached the survey results so far.

 

Therefore: IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, please help us by filling out the survey at: https://kivfinance.typeform.com/to/weCULvfW 

 

 

Thanks

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 10, 2021 10:14:20

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

From: Pauline Granel <pauline@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 08:56
Cc: jb duler <jb@...>
Subject: Amel Owners Survey Results

 

Hi,

 

Thank you for answering the Amel Owners survey. Your participation is a great help.

 

You expressed interest in receiving the results.

JB asked me to send you the following report.

If you have any questions, you can contact jb@....

 

Best,

 

Pauline Granel

 

 

<Amel Owners Insurance Group Survey results.pdf>

1901 - 1920 of 59271