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Re: Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

Alan Leslie
 

I bought one of these from our local chandlery



Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

Randall Walker
 

The best swap video I have seen is this one.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 2:33 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Morning Arno,

 

 

As we have discussed “ad nausea” – I tend to agree; my impeller is completely removed.

I have asked specific questions to AMEL on this and expect an answer next week and might share the feedback

 

 

Have a great weekend in HOLLAND and have some “patat met” or “sateh” on me 😊 and HI to Mirjam; only reason I put up with your    <Annoying mode ON>   and   <Annoying mode OFF>  is her; she is way, way too good for you 😊 hahahahahaha.       

 

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 16, 2021 11:31:37

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 00:08
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

 

Hi Teun,

We’ve talked about this before. I just don’t get it. What is the added value of this setup? Why is the existing impeller pump not sufficient for feeding cooling water? 95% of the Amels (I’m guessing) has this set up and seem to be fine with it. Unless you remove the impeller pump completely, it will still be a source of (shaft) leakage at some point. The only thing I can imagine is if you use the genset frequently at continuous high loads you may want to improve the flow. In all honesty I would then enlarge the heat exchanger as the mickey-mouse version that is standard part of the genset seems to leave quite some room for improvement.
Adding another pump seems just to complicate things.

Just my two cents,

Arno
SV Luna
A54-121 


Re: tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

Teun BAAS
 

Morning Arno,

 

 

As we have discussed “ad nausea” – I tend to agree; my impeller is completely removed.

I have asked specific questions to AMEL on this and expect an answer next week and might share the feedback

 

 

Have a great weekend in HOLLAND and have some “patat met” or “sateh” on me 😊 and HI to Mirjam; only reason I put up with your    <Annoying mode ON>   and   <Annoying mode OFF>  is her; she is way, way too good for you 😊 hahahahahaha.       

 

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 16, 2021 11:31:37

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 00:08
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

 

Hi Teun,

We’ve talked about this before. I just don’t get it. What is the added value of this setup? Why is the existing impeller pump not sufficient for feeding cooling water? 95% of the Amels (I’m guessing) has this set up and seem to be fine with it. Unless you remove the impeller pump completely, it will still be a source of (shaft) leakage at some point. The only thing I can imagine is if you use the genset frequently at continuous high loads you may want to improve the flow. In all honesty I would then enlarge the heat exchanger as the mickey-mouse version that is standard part of the genset seems to leave quite some room for improvement.
Adding another pump seems just to complicate things.

Just my two cents,

Arno
SV Luna
A54-121 


Re: tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

Teun BAAS
 

Alan

 

I tend to agree: have asked specific questions to AMEL on this and expect an answer next week.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 16, 2021 11:18:30

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Leslie via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 01:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

 

I would think that the reason for the centrifugal pump is to eliminate the impeller changing on the Onan.
The impellers don't last very long in most cases. That's my experience also.
I have a March pump which I will install when I run out of stock of impellers, but I will completely bypass the impeller pump and feed directly into the heat exchanger.
I first saw the March pump on Amelit with the previous owner.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 .... soon to be reunited


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Dan Carlson
 

A couple points regarding the starter battery:
1) Ken - could you post some pictures of you starter battery install in the engine room? 
2) Regarding starter battery failure - we have a 12v battery charger, so unless you have a catastrophic failure (internal short), you will often have signs that it is weakening. Our first sign was difficulty starting the genset, but the battery charger then gave it a sufficient boost to get through the genset starting sequence until we could purchase a replacement. 

Regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 10:07 AM Jason Rutledge <jasonrutledge1@...> wrote:
I got the same pricing from them.  Shipping to Texas was $1147
Shipping to Puerto Rico is $213 but I have to pick it up at the port so more costs added at that time for importing it.
Here is more information I got from them.  Specs sheet, Pictures of the internal construction and the individual cell they use....
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Jason Rutledge
 

I got the same pricing from them.  Shipping to Texas was $1147
Shipping to Puerto Rico is $213 but I have to pick it up at the port so more costs added at that time for importing it.
Here is more information I got from them.  Specs sheet, Pictures of the internal construction and the individual cell they use....
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Ken,

Very much appreciate the lead.  

Shipping/Customs/trans ship/etc to the US is $1267.  So, all in door-to-door we would be at $5512 for a set of 3.  I have been looking at Victron LiFePO4's.  The Victron set was quoted at $11k on the east coast of the US (full 8-battery set replacement....yeah I know that is capacity overkill). It appears to be great value for money for the batteries if the construction is up to snuff.

I asked Joey for additional data to satisfy my nerd brain before I will pull the trigger: internal construction layout, wire gauges, solder/mech connections, separation and damping, venting, low temp disconnect, and BMS make/model.  Will share when he gets back to me.

Matt
SV Talia
SM#208


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Ken,

I understand you are thinking about a third set of 300AH/24V .

Is it possible to have two sets of 450AH/24V instead? Or do you think that is not recommendable?

Regards and Happy Sailing
Eric Opdeweegh
Searching and preparing to buy the SM2K


Eric can bring spare parts from Sint Maarten to NY in June.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Eric onboard Kimberlite will be sailing from Sint Maarten to New York on June 20th. 

This would be a good opportunity to bring parts, especially bulky or heavy ones like sails, winches, etc. 


Let me know interested.  Not everything is listed on:  http://supermaramu2000.com/parts_for_sale/index.html


Sincerely, Alexandre


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Jose,

Great solution and explanation. Thank you for sharing.
I hope to buy my SM2K soonest this year and I am studying as such all sysyems in preparation of a refit. Solar and LiFePo4 baterries is the hart of the power(s) systems and in my view the only way into the future.

could you share a diagram of the wiring system with all the equipment you installed (inverters, batteries, solar, alternators, generator,shore power, relays etc) 
A diagram makes it so much more clear than text,

Thank you and happy sailing
Eric Opdeweegh
Searching and preparing to buy a SM2K


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Ken,

Since our pleasant video call last month I was awaiting your video with much interest.
What a educating video again with great humour.

Happy sailing from Thailand and give my regards to Hans.

Eric Opdeweegh
Searching and preparing to buy the SM2K


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Slavko Despotovic
 

I got the same, plus 170$ shipping cost to Port of Koper. Delivery time is 2 months. Custom cost to import to EU is 2,7% and VAT if applicable. Overall good deal.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Hi Matt and Michelle,

$1415 is a better deal than I got!  Awesome!  Prices are continuing to fall.  Less refined lead in this world will not be a bad thing.

Ken
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Portable freezer

LARRY GARRETT
 

Hello Paul,

    

               As I have no understanding of refrigeration, I follow your blog as to only consider that I may have a lot of thoughts in common. Thank you for your candid responses to your constituency .

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paul Osterberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Portable freezer

 

Hello!
Preparing for our next extended trip, and thinking of an additional portable freezer. We have the front opens fridge, the top opens fridge freezer, used as a fridge under the salon sofa, and a custom built freezer where the dish washer used to be +/- 35 liters. On a long trip far away from supermarkets a large freezing capacity would be handy. I can turn the small freezer (dishwasher place) to a fridge and then use the top opening fridge freezer as fridge, but that would give rather limited fridge capacity. Has anyone experience using a portable freezer in tropical climate? Does it works,  any recommendations? were did you store it?
Paul on AY Kerpa SM#259, Lagos Portugal

 


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

Randall Walker
 

I plan on doing the same thing to make the wrench. and I will buy a new plastic nut and the packing and keep the old nut for a spare.
Randall
A54#56

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 7:00 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

A 15 dollar Chinese high water sensor is a great investment for that area.  Ebay--

 

I fabricated this wrench out of ¼ inch aluminum with a band saw and a bench grinder. It is just the right size to swing the wrench without hitting any stringers.

The upper left of the other photo shows where I keep spare packing and a packing nut. I got tired of the packing leaking and rusting the rudder quadrant, I had a new one made of stainless,

Fair winds,

Eric SM 376 Kimberlite

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randall Walker
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:16 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

On my passage from Gib. to Grenada before I left I checked the rudder post and found a half litre or so. Found a wrench gave it a slight turn. Checked it again just before leaving. But much to my surprise, being as that I was sleeping in the saloon as to be close to the cockpit, I had closed the aft cabin door and when I did go in all seemed well until the sound of water didn't sound outside the boat anymore. When I lifted the bed there was not a little water but it was full the rudder indicator was underwater and the linear drive was half-submerged, the water was overflowing the starboard side next to the drawer running down and filling the hole where the bed sideboards go. out come the hand pumps and bucket several buckets later and I see the problem water had been coming in through the packing. so I maintained a check every 2 hours. it came to be 1 liter an hour until I reached Grenada and fashioned a wrench and strap that would be big enough to tighten it. now I need to get a nut packing and kit. I don't want to ever see that again.

 

The conclusion is what Bill said, Monitor it.

 

lesson learned.

 

Randall

A54#56

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:13 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Packing removal tool:  a dental pick also works fine. 

 

I’ve changed one in harbour; very easy and compression can be achieved with  1 cm wide piece of hardwood and a rubber/plastic hammer. 

 

Use a new compression nut and keep the old one as a spare. 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007 



On 2 Apr 2021, at 10:44, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:



Pat,

 

Here you are:

A snippet from a page in my book and a link to the Amel Book Supplement file (Rudder Post Packing) mentioned in the book:

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:04 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

This is the proverbial question whether to fix something that is not broke. I have owned my boat for at least 15 years and have never replaced the packing , never even tightened down the nut , I also have never had a leak. I just had Maud send me new packing ,I have the quadrant and nut off . Now I am having a second thought about messing with it as it has never leaked a drop. Sure enough ,with my luck if I repack it, I will probably have a leak . Do you cut the ends on a 45 degree angle so to overlap or just cut the ends square.

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123

PS. Is this secret place just on 54s or SMs as well, or is this just an urban myth ,designed to drive people nuts as they tear out their interiors ?

-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

Stephan,

 

My thoughts:

 

Generally, when the packing begins to leak it is because the nut needs to further compress the packing, and/or the packing has been compressed several times by tightening the nut and requires replacing because there is no compression flexibility left in the packing material.

 

And generally, water will leak through this packing when the boat is moving bow to stern while sailing. The more the stern moves up and down when sailing, the higher the water pressure is on the packing.

 

The top of the rudder post gland is normally above the waterline, but I have seen at least one SM so overloaded at the stern that it was likely close to the waterline.

 

Leaving her in a marina for 6 months with packing that needs replacing is probably a low-risk issue, mitigated to almost no-risk with someone checking on her.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 12:54 PM Stephan Regulinski via groups.io <stephreg=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Paul, et al.,

Great thread! And very timely: I just found 8 ozs of water in area next to rudder post.  We are just about to depart Panama for the US. What to do?

1. Leave repair until I return in six (ish) months, which gives me time to get a Palmetto tool, sched 80 plastic pipe, packing material, etc.; or,

2. Stop press, change flight dates and do repair now using locally sourced materials and tools.

S/V Hanalei is vintage 1999, so the stuffing material will be old. When we depart, she will be in a marina under watchful eye of experienced mechanic, and boat caretaker.

Has anyone had success with tightening the packing nut on old packing material?

Thanks in advance for thoughts.

Stephan G. Regulinski 
S/V Hanalei SM #266


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Jose Venegas
 

Jason
The white box shows the system driven by the 220V shore power.  To use the inverter (Onduleur in French) just change the plug to the respective outlet.
The relays are sold by Amazone :DPST 1NO 1NC 8Amp Power Relay Module, AC 220V 230V 240V Control Voltage for US$20 each.  I could not find one that allowed enough current for the 100 amp charger and thus I used 2 in parallel and a third one for the 60 amp charger. Pix are appended.  The green input connects to the main brown cable entering the box with the AC switches and the blue input from the inverter outlet in the white box.  The NC out cables are connected by splitting the blue output cable going from the AC switch to the battery charger. When the inverter is running and the generator is not, the relay is open. as soon as the generator is turned on, the automatic AMEL relay disconnects the input of the small relay installed on the AC box and opens the driving circuit to the battery charger.  Hope it is not too complicated

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278 
  


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Jason Rutledge
 

Jose,
We need pictures of you of your "white box" modification, and the relays.  Sounds like a nice solution.
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Jose Venegas
 

Ken,
Very nice video, thank you.  I love the way you cleaned up the spaghetti of cables behind the two large DC switches.   At the end of the video, you mention that you were going to install switches to control the source of the 220 V input to the boat ac systems. 
If you have not done it yet, or others are planning on doing it, my experience with this may be helpful. 
After installing my LiFePO4 batteries (8 Battle Born 100 AH) I installed a 5000 W inverter,  I connected its output to an outlet that I added to the white box on the engine compartment.  In my boat, that white box had originally two outlets: one from the shore power direct 220V and the second one from shore power at 110V that was passed through a transformer to give 220V.  There is also a large plug that can be connected to either outlet providing power to all the ac outlets and 220V devices of the boat including the water maker.  The cables coming from this plug go through the AMEL installed solenoid that automatically disconnects shore power and connects the output of the generator to the 220V boat circuits including all outlets, all appliances, air conditioning units, and battery chargers. Adding a 3rd outlet and connecting it to the output of the 5kW inverter allowed me to easily provide power from the inverter to the 220V boat circuits with minimal circuit changes. In fact, it also allows running the watermaker of the batteries !!!  The only issue came from the possibility of leaving one or two of the battery chargers ON while running from the inverter; a situation that you can imagine was highly undesirable.  In fact, the first day after the installation of the inverter,  I was charging the batteries with the generator and forgot to disconnect the battery chargers before turning OFF the generator.  The result was that all kinds of alarms and blinking LEDs came out of the inverter but there was no damage.  Obviously charging the batteries with energy coming from the batteries has a VERY  negative efficiency!!.  To solve this problem I installed two small ac activated NC relays on the cables feeding the battery chargers so that they would be open if the inverter is ON and the generator is not running.  As soon as the generator is turned on, the relays close, and the battery chargers can do their work.  This solution worked like a charm and I can leave the switches for the battery chargers ON when the inverter is ON, since the battery chargers are automatically turned OFF.  However, they will be activated as soon as the generator is started.  The relays are small enough to fit inside the AC box behind the switches.
Hope this is not too confusing but I will be happy to include a circuit drawing illustration for those interested.   

Jose Venegas
Ipanema
SM2K278.
Currently in Cartagena de Indias Colombia


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Received a response from Joey (Lithium Valley) last night:

3-weeks to make the custom enclosure after receipt of order
30-35 days to ship to US
60-KG per battery module
$1415 per module

Matt
SV Talia SM#208


Re: Portable freezer

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you for input looks as it is a viable alternative
Paul

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