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FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

amelforme
 

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

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Re: A55 - questions about design for resilience and differences from A54 & SMs

Fabrizio Fantò
 

I would be interested as well and it would be even better if anybody could had some "hard data" to the discussion like stability curve and polar chart of her/his "preferred" model.
Fabrizio 


Re: A55 - questions about design for resilience and differences from A54 & SMs

Paul Harries
 

I too would be very interested in this information
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 4:56, Julia Sloman
<jmsloman@...> wrote:

Greetings all

 

My husband and I are looking for a boat to complete a circumnavigation and are familiar with SMs having crewed on one extensively. While recognising that the primary function of this forum is for existing owners to share suggestions about your vessels, we would be very grateful if any of you are happy to share your thoughts with us about factors to consider with an A55 compared to a 54 or SM - sailing / comfort performance, layout, reliability, energy consumption, storage etc. The A55s that are within our budget are closer to the early end of the release so we would also be interested to learn about any major changes from the initial hulls. 

 

One of the themes that is often quoted about Amels is that they have a much better level of resilience through manual overrides and availability of manual systems / less dependence on high tech solutions than other blue water cruising boats; can anyone give us some specific examples of these on an Amel 55? We are trying to understand whether it is that these systems come as standard on an Amel whereas they may only be options in other Bluewater cruisers (eg dual autopilots), or whether there are some elements of the Amel 55’s design for resilience that are very hard to replicate / instal later in another brand.

 

We can see that the majority of discussion on this forum is from SM and A54 owners - are many of the discussions also relevant to A55 owners, or has everything changed so much that lots of the discussions won’t apply in the case of an A55? 

 

If there is a pre-existing thread on this topic (we couldn’t find one), please let us know! We have seen Chris Beeson’s A55 review on YouTube which was helpful. We are very happy to receive private replies instead of ones directed to you all if this forum is not the place for general discussion on this topic, or alternatively, we will trust the moderator to remove our post :-).

 

Many thanks for your thoughts!

 

Julia Sloman

Hopefully soon-to-be Amel owner


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

 

David,

I remember that also, but I don't remember a photo. I just searched and did not find one
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:10 AM David Kurtz via groups.io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:


Thanks for pointing that out, Eric.  Here's the photo in a different format.  See if that works.
Bill Rouse, those photos were a part of that thread discussion I was looking for.  There was a stainless steel replacement part that someone either bought or had fabricated.  I'm trying to run that down before I go out and have my own idea fabricated.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

David Kurtz
 



Thanks for pointing that out, Eric.  Here's the photo in a different format.  See if that works.
Bill Rouse, those photos were a part of that thread discussion I was looking for.  There was a stainless steel replacement part that someone either bought or had fabricated.  I'm trying to run that down before I go out and have my own idea fabricated.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Bow prop

 


The alarm or buzzer for the bow thruster limit positions shown in the green circle
image.png
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:18 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Just behind the up and down push button in the cockpit.... attach to the wire ...

JLMERTZ

Cottonbay



Le 15/04/2021 à 09:32, Eloi Bamberg a écrit :
Hello,
Does anybody know where is located the beep of the bow prop on a SM2K? Mine seem to have stoped working...the lights are Ok but no beep.
regards,
Eloi
SM2K Red Lion


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

 

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 3:23 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Dave,

I couldn’t

Open the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:52 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

 

Somewhere on this forum I recall a couple of Amel owners posting information about some stainless steel reinforcements for the hatch dogs that seem to fracture like this one.  I’ve searched on a couple of occasions and cannot find the thread.  Does anyone recall who makes these parts?



--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Best Sailrite flightcase storage in A54?

scentstone
 
Edited

As a matter of contribution to the community which includes some SM owners I share below some pictures of the solution we're using. 

[Note] I like using it a a temporary shelf ;-)

Fair winds

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375


 




Re: 5 piece stuffing box

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Eric,
which is, please, the diameter, length and thickness of this PVC pipe.
Many thanks, Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
SV EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 18/04/2021 01:10, eric freedman ha scritto:

I forgot to mention that I purchased a short piece of PVC pipe.

I use the same piece of pipe to tighten the packing when I change it, and also install the lip seals in the C drive.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:08 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

I didn’t want to confuse the group, but I have had a 5-ring stuffing box for years.

The only modification that I made besides making the stuffing box taller is I made it wider. On my stuffing box there is an L shaped stainless-steel plate to hold the nut in place. While under way it is difficult to remove the two screws that hold the plate in place. By making the stuffing box in a wider diameter, and a longer L shaped plate I can easily remove the plate and tighten the nut a bit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.



Re: Portable freezer

Alan Leslie
 
Edited

We installed an Engel frig/freezer under the forward saloon seat (where the optional 2nd freezer is on some SMs) great for extra freezer space, but we mostly use it as a drinks frig. Bonus it runs from 12-24 VDC...wired it up to the already existing breaker for the 2nd freezer on the DC panel.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


A55 - questions about design for resilience and differences from A54 & SMs

Julia Sloman
 

Greetings all

 

My husband and I are looking for a boat to complete a circumnavigation and are familiar with SMs having crewed on one extensively. While recognising that the primary function of this forum is for existing owners to share suggestions about your vessels, we would be very grateful if any of you are happy to share your thoughts with us about factors to consider with an A55 compared to a 54 or SM - sailing / comfort performance, layout, reliability, energy consumption, storage etc. The A55s that are within our budget are closer to the early end of the release so we would also be interested to learn about any major changes from the initial hulls. 

 

One of the themes that is often quoted about Amels is that they have a much better level of resilience through manual overrides and availability of manual systems / less dependence on high tech solutions than other blue water cruising boats; can anyone give us some specific examples of these on an Amel 55? We are trying to understand whether it is that these systems come as standard on an Amel whereas they may only be options in other Bluewater cruisers (eg dual autopilots), or whether there are some elements of the Amel 55’s design for resilience that are very hard to replicate / instal later in another brand.

 

We can see that the majority of discussion on this forum is from SM and A54 owners - are many of the discussions also relevant to A55 owners, or has everything changed so much that lots of the discussions won’t apply in the case of an A55? 

 

If there is a pre-existing thread on this topic (we couldn’t find one), please let us know! We have seen Chris Beeson’s A55 review on YouTube which was helpful. We are very happy to receive private replies instead of ones directed to you all if this forum is not the place for general discussion on this topic, or alternatively, we will trust the moderator to remove our post :-).

 

Many thanks for your thoughts!

 

Julia Sloman

Hopefully soon-to-be Amel owner


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

eric freedman
 

I forgot to mention that I purchased a short piece of PVC pipe.

I use the same piece of pipe to tighten the packing when I change it, and also install the lip seals in the C drive.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:08 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

I didn’t want to confuse the group, but I have had a 5-ring stuffing box for years.

The only modification that I made besides making the stuffing box taller is I made it wider. On my stuffing box there is an L shaped stainless-steel plate to hold the nut in place. While under way it is difficult to remove the two screws that hold the plate in place. By making the stuffing box in a wider diameter, and a longer L shaped plate I can easily remove the plate and tighten the nut a bit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.


5 piece stuffing box

eric freedman
 

I didn’t want to confuse the group, but I have had a 5-ring stuffing box for years.

The only modification that I made besides making the stuffing box taller is I made it wider. On my stuffing box there is an L shaped stainless-steel plate to hold the nut in place. While under way it is difficult to remove the two screws that hold the plate in place. By making the stuffing box in a wider diameter, and a longer L shaped plate I can easily remove the plate and tighten the nut a bit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 4:27 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box Packing Material

Thomas Kleman
 

I think when you have a problem with the stuffing box, it is less likely to be the nut than the box itself. The spares you need are the packing material and this: take a stuffing box nut, wrap the threads in teflon tape, immerse it up to the top of the threads in a resin/hardener mix in a circular mold with the nut hole sealed, and voila- you have a 20 mm stuffing box penthouse to attach to the top of your stripped old stuffing box. Holds 5 rings of material and can be installed in the water (just don't take that last ring out). Three screws and 5200 work well to attach; just let it set before pounding down the material.


Re: Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

eric freedman
 

Hi Dave,

I couldn’t

Open the photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of David Kurtz via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:52 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

 

Somewhere on this forum I recall a couple of Amel owners posting information about some stainless steel reinforcements for the hatch dogs that seem to fracture like this one.  I’ve searched on a couple of occasions and cannot find the thread.  Does anyone recall who makes these parts?



--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Deck hatch dogs reinforcements

David Kurtz
 

Somewhere on this forum I recall a couple of Amel owners posting information about some stainless steel reinforcements for the hatch dogs that seem to fracture like this one.  I’ve searched on a couple of occasions and cannot find the thread.  Does anyone recall who makes these parts?



--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi JB, I have had a starting battery for each of the gen set and main engine in battery boxes at the rear of the engine room for 12 years. Replaced them once maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Ocean Pearl has an active life and has seldom been left sitting for long periods. I like the short cable run.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 18 April 2021 at 00:34 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Ken,

How are the starting batteries holding up in the engine compartment?
I had the replace all batteries after less than two years. One reason was the lack of care and bad monitoring from the yard (I assume that they were left discharged for too long). The other reason was the high temperature in the engine compartment. I was told that batteries do not like high temperatures. So we moved them out. We'll see how things evolve now.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: tb/AMEL 54 electric water pump/

 

Arno, I agree completely. I watched this video about 2 years ago. This video is a perfect example of what NOT to do and a perfect example of how to compare an Amel-designed system to another. Amel designs things that are difficult to operate incorrectly. I call this child-proof design. The complicated system shown in this video has the risk of many built-in possible operation issues and operator failures, like the failure to set a valve correctly or the failure of dozens of added parts.

Obviously, the owner of the boat enjoys over-complicating things and enjoys tinkering with his boat and its systems. My comments are not to criticize him, but rather to use what he has done as an example of what not to do. Can you imagine if you just bought this boat from him? Would you completely understand the operation of what he has installed and the risks with setting a valve wrong and the risks with failure? I am sure that this is not the first thing he has modified.

One-way valve installed before the seawater filter:
image.png

Wow!!!
image.png
More, also notice the flow sensor is orientated so that debris falls into the sensor
image.png
This was probably an afterthought because it wasn't there when he first showed the completed project. 
He just added further complications and increased the risk of something going wrong.
image.png

I urge all Amel owners to restrain themselves from this type of overcomplication. Especially because if you simply change the Onan impeller every 250 hours and do it correctly with an OEM impeller, you will not experience losing impeller parts into the heat exchanger. Also, the heat exchanger should probably be removed and completely cleaned every 1500 hours.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 3:54 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Nice video. However.... It passes very quickly over the main problem of this setup. The Marco pump is not self priming. He puts a non-return valve in the circuit that typically work quite poorly for raw sea-water. The system does not notify you if the waterflow needs priming so that can be quite annoying as well.
I’m not sure how long a normal impeller will last but if it lasts a boating season or an oil-replacement interval I don’t see the advantage of this solution. A spare impeller is cheaper then a spare pump and even the Sharewood raw water pump is not that expensive to keep as a spare.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

JB Duler
 

Ken,

How are the starting batteries holding up in the engine compartment?
I had the replace all batteries after less than two years. One reason was the lack of care and bad monitoring from the yard (I assume that they were left discharged for too long). The other reason was the high temperature in the engine compartment. I was told that batteries do not like high temperatures. So we moved them out. We'll see how things evolve now.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: New LiFePO4 Batteries for Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 




Start Battery housed in the gray wood box in front of the Genset.  It has a black strap for safety.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262

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