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Re: Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Joerg,

 

I do not have a clause for a bilge pump requirement. My TopSail underwriter is 100% Great Lakes Insurance SE. It look like they subbed your policy to MRRSI.

 

This is an issue that has been bought up previously in this group. If I am to face the same clause, I would just install a secondary pump higher than the original (perhaps in the dry area just forward of the Amel drive) and splice the output hose with a Y valve past the primary pump. This way the original pump is still the primary and the secondary is there to match the insurance needs but would never be cycled. This could be done for about €150.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 5:06 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance

 

I just received a competitive quote from Topsail but it contains a condition that I need to have a bilge pump capable of 100l/minute.   The standard electrical pump on the A55 does 30l/minute only and it’s the same pump as is installed on most recent prior models.   Mark, did you have to install a bigger pump to get Topsail cover?  Cover is through  Great Lakes Insurance SE via Munich Re Risk Solutions Ireland (MRRSI).   


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: a question about Integrel Lite

Alex Comer-Crook
 

I have seen that Morganscloud article I somewhat agree with the conclusion - albeit with a few different points. Here are my notes and thoughts on the system (just my opinions and open to the fact I may be wrong on items):

What is it?
A very simple description: It is essentially a 48v alternator. I believe it has a remote rectifier and it has its own proprietary regulator but other than that it's nothing special. The benefit is that when you are pumping 200 amps into your batteries from it you are doing it at 48v and not 12v, so you can pull ~9Kw.

What is the intended setup?
It's designed so that you have a 48v main house bank with a 48v inverter or inverter/charger for AC loads. You then use DC-DC chargers (e.g Victron Orion) to convert to 12v and/or 24v and charge smaller "buffer" battery banks for those specific DC items.

Pros
- Technically speaking it can render your generator useless as your main engine can generate the same amount of energy.
- Even with a large bank you can probably fill your batteries every time you enter/leave an anchorage 
- It solves the problem of 12v being not a great setup on boats, especially larger ones

Cons
- Ridiculous cost. If I recall I was given an estimate of €8000-10,000 + engine-specific installation. This also did not include any other items (batteries, inverters etc.). It's basically the same price as a generator.
- Some engines don't do well when used as intended for this system (extended low rpm in neutral). Your top end will become dirtier much quicker.
- A lot of the "hype" is marketing. All the talk about how smart it is and won't everheat etc... It's very basic software that reduces output when certain conditions are met (heat at alternator or batteries, full throttle etc.) I'm a software engineer and while I haven't seen their proprietary code I know what it would take to program a device of this nature. The most "revolutionary" thing about it is that it is 48v instead of 12v or 24v.
- Additional equipment required: You'll need a new battery bank, new buffer battery banks, DC-DC chargers, new inverter etc. This adds both cost and complexity.
- You lose the redundancy of having an additional power source
- You also lose any AC power if your 48v inverter dies.

Summary
- It's a good implementation of a 48v alternator that solves the 12v problem.
- It's way too expensive
- It only makes sense to even consider if you are doing a major electrical refit (new batteries, inverter etc.) and/or your generator needs replacing
- I think the best use-case would be smaller boats that might not have space for a generator or much solar but you still have large electrical needs
- For now I think a traditional generator + 24v high output alternator is more cost effective (especially since you already have it) and a better overall solution

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:29 AM Brent Cameron via groups.io <brentcameron61=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
If this is Nigel Calder’s company (they went by Integrel as well), the excellent resource called Morgan’s Cloud (Attainable Adventure Cruising) did a two part series on it and wasn’t impressed (they wanted to be).  I’m not a subscriber at the moment but you can see a preview of the articles here:
https://www.morganscloud.com/category/electrical/integril-review/

The net of it as I recall was that it added a lot of complexity, cost and significantly reduced the redundancy of your systems to the point where it could actually cause you issues with your main propulsion system.  John is a nut for simplicity and redundancy (as am I) so you may have a different risk/reward calculation but in any case, it is probably worth getting a subscription for those two articles alone if you are really interested in it as they did a pretty deep dive on it.  I quite liked that site as they had good takes on a lot of things we do as long term cruisers although after 4-5 years, I found it was getting repetitive so I let my subscription drop until I get another sailboat (definitely an Amel!) again.

Brent
On Apr 30, 2021, 10:45 AM -0400, Alex Comer-Crook <alexcmrcrk@...>, wrote:
I haven’t installed one personally but I have done quite a bit of research into it and spoken to one of the engineers that developed it. 

I might be able to answer your questions and if not I can try forward them to the engineers.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:40 AM Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone have an idea and/or experience on Integrel Lite (https://integrelsolutions.com) ? I will be grateful for your advice.
Thanks in advance...
Cheers...

--
Aktan TEMiZ
SV YAKAMOZ
SM2K #469
aktantemiz@...


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: a question about Integrel Lite

Brent Cameron
 

If this is Nigel Calder’s company (they went by Integrel as well), the excellent resource called Morgan’s Cloud (Attainable Adventure Cruising) did a two part series on it and wasn’t impressed (they wanted to be).  I’m not a subscriber at the moment but you can see a preview of the articles here:
https://www.morganscloud.com/category/electrical/integril-review/

The net of it as I recall was that it added a lot of complexity, cost and significantly reduced the redundancy of your systems to the point where it could actually cause you issues with your main propulsion system.  John is a nut for simplicity and redundancy (as am I) so you may have a different risk/reward calculation but in any case, it is probably worth getting a subscription for those two articles alone if you are really interested in it as they did a pretty deep dive on it.  I quite liked that site as they had good takes on a lot of things we do as long term cruisers although after 4-5 years, I found it was getting repetitive so I let my subscription drop until I get another sailboat (definitely an Amel!) again.

Brent

On Apr 30, 2021, 10:45 AM -0400, Alex Comer-Crook <alexcmrcrk@...>, wrote:
I haven’t installed one personally but I have done quite a bit of research into it and spoken to one of the engineers that developed it. 

I might be able to answer your questions and if not I can try forward them to the engineers.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:40 AM Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone have an idea and/or experience on Integrel Lite (https://integrelsolutions.com) ? I will be grateful for your advice.
Thanks in advance...
Cheers...

--
Aktan TEMiZ
SV YAKAMOZ
SM2K #469
aktantemiz@...


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Insurance

Joerg Esdorn
 

I just received a competitive quote from Topsail but it contains a condition that I need to have a bilge pump capable of 100l/minute.   The standard electrical pump on the A55 does 30l/minute only and it’s the same pump as is installed on most recent prior models.   Mark, did you have to install a bigger pump to get Topsail cover?  Cover is through  Great Lakes Insurance SE via Munich Re Risk Solutions Ireland (MRRSI).   


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: a question about Integrel Lite

Alex Comer-Crook
 

I haven’t installed one personally but I have done quite a bit of research into it and spoken to one of the engineers that developed it. 

I might be able to answer your questions and if not I can try forward them to the engineers.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 8:40 AM Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Does anyone have an idea and/or experience on Integrel Lite (https://integrelsolutions.com) ? I will be grateful for your advice.
Thanks in advance...
Cheers...

--
Aktan TEMiZ
SV YAKAMOZ


a question about Integrel Lite

Aktan Temiz
 

Hi All,
Does anyone have an idea and/or experience on Integrel Lite (https://integrelsolutions.com) ? I will be grateful for your advice.
Thanks in advance...
Cheers...

--
Aktan TEMiZ
SV YAKAMOZ


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Nicolas,

Attached are photos of our Eberspacher heater pipe that runs through our head. I have seen another Amel who modified their stainless pipe to have a small vent in the aft head that could be open to blow hot air onto the clothes/towels on the rack.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey

On Friday, April 30, 2021, 1:01 am, Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...> wrote:

Hi all 
After a cold winter on board ,I would like to install for the next one , heating through pulsed air in the main cabin.
For that I need to have a stainless steel pipe going through the rear head built. I have the plan from Amel but a few pictures of how it does look like would be helpful.
thank you in advance if someone can help 
fair winds 
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Rubber mount of C-drive with keel

 

Ian,

Snippet from my Amel Book. This is for SN, SM, 54, & 55

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:39 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
Bill,
Just replacing mine (Santorin), 1" boss fits fine. Question is what length. The old one is shorter than the ! length of the sleeve, but this may be wear a d compression.
I am assuming it should be cut to the same length as the sleeve. Right of wrong?  Any advice gratefully receivec, otherwise it will be 'suck it and see'.

Thanks

Ian 'Ocean Hobo'


Re: Hint for automatically saving your tag line information on these forums #Wiki

Brent Cameron
 

Sorry folks (and sorry to be so stereotypically Canadian to start off a post with sorry!).  It didn't occur to me that the smartphone web interface would be so drastically different to provide two sets of instructions.  I did find the exact same edit page eventually but it isn't completely obvious.  

To edit on a smartphone (I tested with an iPhone but I would assume that it would look similar on any phone based browser), you can:

  1. Click on the View/Reply web link below to get to the web interface.
  2. Log in using your credentials if necessary (this might also necessitate you navigating back to the AYOG afterwards)
  3. Click on the cog symbol at the top right corner and then select "Account" from the drop down
  4. At the very bottom you should see 5 icons, click on the middle one that looks like a business card
  5. From there it is the same as the PC/Mac interface, you should be able to edit your profile for each of the groups that you follow

Also, if you ever get caught by something like this again on your smartphone, most smartphones (well it works on iPhones and Blackberry's... can't say it works on Androids for sure as I don't go near them but I do know that it works on both Chrome and Safari) have an option to "Request Desktop Website".  Safari buries it into the interface a bit so it isn't obvious but if you click on the aA symbol located in the top left corner of the URL bar (just scroll down a bit to bring it into view), a drop down will appear and you can select "Request Desktop Website" to see it's website just as a PC/Mac would see it.   This also works for banking sites, etc that might not have all the features on their smartphone sites. 

Hope this helps.  If it isn't clear, I'll put together a pictorial step by step.  
--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Hint for automatically saving your tag line information on these forums #Wiki

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

I am on an iPhone, and when I browse to the group, click on the cogged wheel, all I can do is to change my login details, nothing els.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
Present in Portugal, Algarve, Portimao


Re: Hint for automatically saving your tag line information on these forums #Wiki

Jeff Williams
 

On a phone browser select ‘setttings’ (looks like a cogged wheel), then your account and then you should see something that looks like a business card at the bottom.   Select that then you can edit your profile.   

Different phones have different browsers but this should be very similar to what you see.  
Jeff

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 12:19 PM Ann-Sofie <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
Hi Brent
That function only work when you are at a computer, reading your messages and then when you click on the picture next to your name on top of the message. Also the editing can only be done if you log in to the group on a computer. Don't work via your smartphone (iPhone).

Using the browser on an iPhone you can see the picture and the name, but you can't click on it. It would have been more useful if it was an automatically added signature when you post something.

If you pick up the message via an e-mail reader, the picture is not visible.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998
Present in Portugal, Alvgarve, Portimão


Re: Hint for automatically saving your tag line information on these forums #Wiki

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

Hi Brent
That function only work when you are at a computer, reading your messages and then when you click on the picture next to your name on top of the message. Also the editing can only be done if you log in to the group on a computer. Don't work via your smartphone (iPhone).

Using the browser on an iPhone you can see the picture and the name, but you can't click on it. It would have been more useful if it was an automatically added signature when you post something.

If you pick up the message via an e-mail reader, the picture is not visible.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998
Present in Portugal, Alvgarve, Portimão


Re: A54 watermaker/Fresh water pump issue

Alexander Hofmann
 

Hi Chris,

 

difficult to have a clear diagnosis from remote, the system is complex. I tell you 2 experiences with the rinsing of the Watermaker (I have a 160 l/h Duo 230V / 24V) – and a similar topic.

 

  1. I had an non-stopping rinse of the watermaker 2 years ago half way from Canaries to Azores, leading to … zero litres of water in the fresh water tank. Not funny. I could resolve the problem in phone contact with Fréderic Quintard from Nautic Elec, the experienced electrician in La Rochelle. The magnetic valve for opening and closing the fresh water provisioning for the watermaker rinse process has been dirty and did not word, means stayed OPEN for an endless rinsing, until the fresh water tank was fully empty. Hopefully I have had already installed a simple hand valve in the fresh water provisioning tube before the watermaker. So I could close that, run the watermaker again, and had new fresh water. Later on I did replace the magnetic valve and cleaned the old one in an ultrasonic bath, is like new now. There is limescale deposit – and any dirt out of the freshwater system - in the valve. This may cause your problems you have described in opening and closing partly and in a not reliable and understandable way or – as in my case – stays open completely.

This is why

  • I have an extra magnetic valve on board,
  • I would recommend to any Amel owner to install such a simple hand valve in the fresh water provisioning tube before the watermaker.
  • Additionally I have a cheap ultrasonic cleaner bath now onboard, many parts can be cleaned and re-set into function.
  • When I am longer time off any marina (what I love!) and I use the watermaker daily I close this hand valve and refrain from any rinsing. I do that any 1 – 2 weeks once, or until the watermaker tells you he wants rinsing care because the pressure for switching from ‘bad’ to ‘good’ rises. Dessalator even advices to do so. Rinsing every time is definitely not needed! Dessalator watermakers love to work daily!

 

  1. The same problem with a dirty magnetic valve happened to me with the toilets heads. The valve did not close and the fresh water was flooding the toilet and the heads – in emptying the fresh water tank rapidly.

This is why

  • I would recommend to any Amel owner to install also a simple hand valve in the fresh water provisioning tube for the toilets in the heads.

 

Costs ( as my French friends say) three times nothing but prevent unpleasant situations.

 

All the best. Fairs seas and lovely tail winds!

 

Alexander

SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156

 

 


Re: A54 watermaker/Fresh water pump issue

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Chris,
I think youre right about the solenoid. We had the same issue a year ago. The fresh water pump did run every 15 minutes. For weeks we were looking for a leakage without any success. Finally we figured out that the solenoid didn´t close properly. Because we don´t use the watermaker currently I didn´t clean the solenoid but  added a manual valve to stop the water flow if needed. The pic shows the valve beneath the 24V cover.

Martin

Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Hint for automatically saving your tag line information on these forums #Wiki

Dean Gillies
 

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 02:32 AM, Brent Cameron wrote:
 From there you will see all of your default tag lines for each of the Groups.IO forums
Hi Brent, I liked your suggestion, but it doesn't work for me.  I don't see any "tag lines" to edit on that Identity screen. When I go into the Amel forum "Edit" screen then there is nothing like tags there either. I saw "Bio", so tried adding it there, but that doesn't appear on a post when I create it.  Any other clues ?
Cheers
Dean, SV Stella
A54-154 


Re: A54 watermaker/Fresh water pump issue

Porter McRoberts
 

I think you’re right about the solenoid. Ours also stuck open several years ago. It has to be physically taken apart, cleaned with Emory cloth and then reassembled. That was 3 years ago for us. Been working fine since. But yes. Turn off the fresh h20 pump and do the job then re assemble. Should be fine I think. 


Some of the watermaker Jedi may have additional thoughts for you. 

Best of luck. 





Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Apr 29, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Chris Likins <likinsca@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I just started having a new issue with my fresh water pump. Ill start by saying I have Amel54 #133 with 180l/h dessalator wm. I recently ran our water maker as normal. After shutdown it began to auto rinse with freshwater however, after 2 minutes I noticed that the lights on the dessalator panel had gone out but the freshwater pump was still running continuously. When the freshwater pump is manually shut off at the breaker the pressure immediately drops off just as if a tap were open. 

At first I thought it might be a leak somewhere but I found none. I now believe it has something to do with the rinsing of the water maker. As soon as I turn the watermaker on and the low pressure pump comes on, the freshwater pump immediately shuts off and behaves normally. 


For a manual rinse, we have a valve handle on the back side of the low pressure pump to open and allow fresh water through the system. When I open this valve, I can see the freshwater discharge overboard however, with this valve closed and the pump stuck on continuously there is NO discharge overboard which has me a bit confused.

My thoughts are that the auto rinse system is stuck ON via the solenoid at the pre-filters but if that were the case, I would think I would be seeing the freshwater discharging overboard. Is there a way to manually close that solenoid to test? 

 

Any other thoughts on where I should be checking?

 

Thanks in advance!

 


A54 watermaker/Fresh water pump issue

Chris Likins
 

Hi All,

I just started having a new issue with my fresh water pump. Ill start by saying I have Amel54 #133 with 180l/h dessalator wm. I recently ran our water maker as normal. After shutdown it began to auto rinse with freshwater however, after 2 minutes I noticed that the lights on the dessalator panel had gone out but the freshwater pump was still running continuously. When the freshwater pump is manually shut off at the breaker the pressure immediately drops off just as if a tap were open. 

At first I thought it might be a leak somewhere but I found none. I now believe it has something to do with the rinsing of the water maker. As soon as I turn the watermaker on and the low pressure pump comes on, the freshwater pump immediately shuts off and behaves normally. 


For a manual rinse, we have a valve handle on the back side of the low pressure pump to open and allow fresh water through the system. When I open this valve, I can see the freshwater discharge overboard however, with this valve closed and the pump stuck on continuously there is NO discharge overboard which has me a bit confused.

My thoughts are that the auto rinse system is stuck ON via the solenoid at the pre-filters but if that were the case, I would think I would be seeing the freshwater discharging overboard. Is there a way to manually close that solenoid to test? 

 

Any other thoughts on where I should be checking?

 

Thanks in advance!

 


Re: Who can guess what this is

Arthur Sundqvist
 

It is the saloon table extension!
/A

29 apr. 2021 kl. 07:35 skrev Mark Garver via groups.io <mgarver@...>:

Greetings! This has been in the front hanging locker and I only saw part of it and had thought it was the small cockpit table. Today, I pulled it out and I have no idea what this is for. The stainless “legs” do not move and look like they are meant to be inserted/installed in something, somewhere. Anyone have the answer?

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Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Hi all 
After a cold winter on board ,I would like to install for the next one , heating through pulsed air in the main cabin.
For that I need to have a stainless steel pipe going through the rear head built. I have the plan from Amel but a few pictures of how it does look like would be helpful.
thank you in advance if someone can help 
fair winds 
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Rubber mount of C-drive with keel

Ian Park
 

Bill,
Just replacing mine (Santorin), 1" boss fits fine. Question is what length. The old one is shorter than the ! length of the sleeve, but this may be wear a d compression.
I am assuming it should be cut to the same length as the sleeve. Right of wrong?  Any advice gratefully receivec, otherwise it will be 'suck it and see'.

Thanks

Ian 'Ocean Hobo'

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