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Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi,

it is fine, and yes you can close it. The only problem is that it limits the opening of door of the cabinet as you can see on the photo. Closing will cause more air coming from other outlets as pointed by Eric.

Best regards.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold made by SOFOMARIN of welded polypropylene pipe

 



Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold made by SOFOMARIN of welded polypropylene pipe
is ready to be ordered for the Amel 54! AND the SM2k. The SM2k will be posted tomorrow.

It is made of welded polypropylene pipe PPG and made by the supplier to Amel, SOFOMARIN. 
The total kit costs 456.50 €. I negotiated a 15% discount for you. Net is about 388 € +VAT +Freight.
This price does not include VAT or transportation costs.
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You should take this opportunity to order Amel OEM hose supplied by SOFOMARIN:
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See this installation and order guide.
You can view SOFOMARIN Catalog here:
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Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Eric Freedman
 

Nicolas,

Amel delivers the boat with no holes in the heating tube in the head.

Ian and Judy on PenAzen had the factory drill holes in the tubing in the head.

It was a great idea, so I had Amel do the same on Kimberlite. You can close the flap on the heat vent in the aft cabin without harm to the heater as the other outlets just put out more air.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!

Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 


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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Ross and Donna
thank you ever so much for the pictures ,that will help me a lot
kindest regards 
nick

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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Pipe feeding heating in main rear cabin

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you Slavo for the picture of the outlet in the rear cabin 👍!
Is it practical ? Can you close it to have air only on the bathroom ? 

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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, thanks for the story. You did everything right but still got caught. The forward block blowing saved much more serious damage. Shows the value of a weak point with lesser damage potential. Raising the pole ends when the sea is up is a sensible precaution, actually advised in the Amel hand book.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 May 2021 at 00:59 "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Kevin,

If I were you and because this is the only part of the pole system that will suffer from UV degradation, I would take the other "good" ball off of the short pole and bring it to a machine shop and have it duplicated using solid aluminum.

Actually, every SM owner should probably consider this.

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:46 AM Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:
I checked with Sparcraft and they only made some of the components of the Amel spinnaker pole system.  They had never seen the ball joint fitting before.

I did provide pics along with my email to Amel.  I’ll give them a few more days to respond.

As always,  I appreciate the feedback and support this group always provides when looking for sage advice.

Kevin Schmit
Portsmouth, NH


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362






Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

Kent,

Yesterday I was told that Amel shortened the long pole with the SM 2000. I have noticed how the long poles are stored on deck with earlier model SMs versus later models. The earlier models overhang the toe-rail at the bow. I have always thought this to be simply a different storage method. When you get a chance, please measure the length of the aluminum tube on the long tubes. Next week I am going to be on a later model SM and will measure those.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:59 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

Justin, 

Like many algorithmic solutions pertaining to sailing the answer is very specific to ones own situation and needs. Worth mentioning that I sail solo so my consumption is specific to me and may not equate to your own situation. Unfortunately   I do not have a washing machine , so that forms no part in my assumptions or variables.  But with 800ah of lithium here in the West Indies  I am pretty sure I would only run the genset to balance the batteries. 

I can’t increase battery bank capacity without a huge investment which makes no sense , but if I was doing it again, I think this would make sense as per Ken’s observations. However I am pretty certain  that based off where I am currently sailing, and the current seasonal weather , if I added another 400-500 wts of efficient solar , the genset would be close to redundant or a back up only for consistently bad weather or MPPT failures etc 

When I leave Grenada in July and start making my way west, and my partner joins me ( hairdryers etc 🙄) the situation will no doubt change.

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada 

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:26 AM, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:
Thank you nick - my goal with 1200watts of solar and 800ah of lithium was to run the gene set once a week... 

This would let me make water and do the wash, as well as give the gen set enough run time not to have its own issues from too little use! 


On May 7, 2021, at 05:36, Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal via groups.io <svrascal@...> wrote:

 Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 





Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

I checked with Sparcraft and they only made some of the components of the Amel spinnaker pole system. They had never seen the ball joint fitting before.

I did provide pics along with my email to Amel. I’ll give them a few more days to respond.

As always, I appreciate the feedback and support this group always provides when looking for sage advice.

Kevin Schmit
Portsmouth, NH


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Justin Maguire
 

Thank you nick - my goal with 1200watts of solar and 800ah of lithium was to run the gene set once a week... 

This would let me make water and do the wash, as well as give the gen set enough run time not to have its own issues from too little use! 


On May 7, 2021, at 05:36, Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal via groups.io <svrascal@...> wrote:

 Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 



Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

karkauai
 

A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern.  In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern.  The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft.  I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%.  But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water.  It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.

The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning.  That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need.

So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night.  In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.

Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Preparing to sail to Maine in early June

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Here is a snippet from my book. 

Pole ends were made by FranceSpar, now www.SpaceCraft.fr, also in the US www.sparcraft-us.com. I am not sure if that company made the entire system for Amel. Amel recently made a new set of poles for a SM for a client of mine. Amel may be the best place to source that ball end because when I searched www.sparcraft-us.com I could not find this part. If you do not hear from SAV@... in a few days, call them at 33  5 46 55 17 31. 

I assume that you sent a photo with your request and that your request asked for availability and price...if not, it should have.

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 4:18 AM Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:
Hey Amelians,

We had an accidental gybe while sailing downwind at night in 30 knot winds and as you can imagine the outcome wasn’t pretty... I’ve emailed Amel a couple days ago but haven’t gotten a reply yet.  Has anyone sourced replacement ball joint that mates the mast to spinnaker pole strut?  Pictures below



--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

Rascal is all electric galley wise. I have a ceramic hob(not induction) with electric oven and an separate convection oven. All 230v . Battery bank is 600AmpH of Lithium (battleborn, and I have a Quattro 3KW inverter / charger ) I cook mostly on hob, or use my Instant pot. The only time I run the genset specifically for galley is if the batteries are around 35% because the weather hasn’t been kind to my solar / wind setup. Otherwise if the batteries are around the 50% mark I may occasionally run the genset if I’m baking something for longer than 30mins and even then I’ll try and coincide this with running water maker or hot water and very rarely aircon etc 

….. 

the lithium set up is for me an excellent solution especially on anchor here in West Indies, but you do need a strong, consistent  and reliable way to charge them. I use a combination of solar (1.3KW now and looking to add another 500-600wts and a Silent wind) I try and only use genset when it’s been very overcast / rainy for a few days and batteries are low, tends to be in the evenings for obvious reasons. 

If I do motor between anchorages then it’s possible that i don’t run the genset for weeks as long as the weather has been kind. On average  I probably run the genset once a week for around 60mins. Once A month I have to balance the batteries, so will run the genset to fully charge the battery bank, which according to BB balances the bank efficiently, but I tend to try and do that if I’m in a Marina or having to motor for whatever reason. 

I would like a hydro generator for longer passages, especially the Wattamdsea Pod 600… but I don’t think the cost / efficiency/ hassle to to fit algorithm  makes sense right now. 

I think I would question the validity of the investment for Lithium if one spends a great deal of time on shore power. 

Nick
SV Rascal
SM 404
Grenada

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On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 2:20 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make hot a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand 



Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Folks,

This message concerns me. It comes after Delos reported on a near disaster while sailing downwind in gale force winds. As in this case they had the headsail poled out. Both vessels had bad outcomes with gear breakage. The Amel handbook recommends limiting these systems to 20 knots true wind. Down wind in big seas vessels, even Amels can yaw and swing, particularly if there is a big sea running. 

In both these cases when the wind wrong sided the sail serious damage occurred. In conjunction with this damage severe sideways forces would have been applied to the mast. Neither damaged the mast but in my opinion the strong possibility was there.

Of such errors are disasters made.

However these were both wind events. Consider the loading had the boat rolled at the same time as a big sea came up along side and the pole had dipped in the water. Delos was doing over 15 knots at times. We need to be aware of the risks of long poles fixed out at right angles to the boat and take them in in strong winds.

Just my opinion

Regards

Danny 

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 07 May 2021 at 21:18 Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:

Hey Amelians,

We had an accidental gybe while sailing downwind at night in 30 knot winds and as you can imagine the outcome wasn’t pretty... I’ve emailed Amel a couple days ago but haven’t gotten a reply yet.  Has anyone sourced replacement ball joint that mates the mast to spinnaker pole strut?  Pictures below



--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

Hey Amelians,

We had an accidental gybe while sailing downwind at night in 30 knot winds and as you can imagine the outcome wasn’t pretty... I’ve emailed Amel a couple days ago but haven’t gotten a reply yet.  Has anyone sourced replacement ball joint that mates the mast to spinnaker pole strut?  Pictures below



--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 
Edited

Hello Justin,

No I don't use an electric stove.  1) I like to use gas, 2) I probably will buy a portable induction stove top in the future for redundancy.  

If the electric goes down for some reason, I want to be able to make a cup of hot tea if I want it.

Ken Powers,
Aquarius SM2K#262
Thailand


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Brent,

Though it's not likely for one cell to go bad, if it happened I should be able  to open the battery and replace the cell.  

Ken Powers


Re: vetus coupling removal

Herbert Lackner
 

Danny,  the Setup on the SN is a different than the SM. No disk brake, but the big pulley for the shaft alternator. I had to realign the engine to get rid of the vibrations and found no other way than to remove the coupling and align it with the special tool. Also the connection to the gearbox is a little bit different. How did you do the alignment without the special tool and the coupling connected? I think it is not possible to do that on the SN without removing the coupling.  After 1 hour tapping it started to move for about 1 mm, then it was a mm by mm job. This was one of the very rare moments I would have been selling KALI MERA to anyone who walked by...

Ian, I did the realignment in 2019, after getting the coupling off it was an easy job, but if I had made the special tool a little bit longer it would have been better, because the setup on the SN is different from the SM. The connection to the gearbox an KALI MERA is the same as on OCEAN HOBO.  After cleaning the shaft and the coupling it slides on and off easy.  After realigning the vibrations are almost gone, but in some conditions (big waves from the side) it is still not perfect.  Please let me know if the change of the rubber tube helped on your boat. Have you been able to move the c-drive with your hands - is there any movement if you pull?  I tried it on KALI MERA and there is no movement at all, but I am not sure if I should open the seal next time when she is on the hard and check that. Greetings to Linda, I hope you are all fine

fair winds, herbert


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Justin Maguire
 

Thanks Ken! You’re inspiring confidence in me! Are you running an electric stove? 


On May 6, 2021, at 19:26, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Hello Justin,

It's now 8:51AM here in Thailand, and I just finished the capacity test.  I left the Aircon running until 8:20AM, that's 19 hours 20 minutes pulling 32 to 35 Amps.  These batteries are 1 year old LiFePO4 batteries from Lithium Valley.  The batteries cost $3500 delivered to Phuket Thailand.  

This is unbelievable, but true.

With 1200 watts of solar the only reason you would NEED to run the generator is NO sun.  But, you may WANT to run the generator because you want to run the AC for more that 6 or 7 hours a day.   Let's just say this - you probably wouldn't miss your genset much if you took off for a two week trip with a inop genset.


Ken On Aquarius
SM2K#262
In Thailand

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