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Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

John,

That would be the short poles, right?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

John Clark
 

Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Nick,

It is hard to believe that an internet site anywhere fails to register the dns "www.website.fr" as well as the "website.fr"


The funny thing is yes I made a typo in the Amel Book, but if you were using the Online Amel Book and clicked on it the underlying link took you to their website.
I have corrected the "Space" to "Spar." A big thank you to you and Jean Boucharlat. Here is a snippet.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 6:12 AM Chris Doucette <amaroksailing@...> wrote:
Sparecraft doesnt show the ball and socket style in their catalog, however they show a cylindrical style with a socket-  it seems to me that if one were to buy these- replacing both the joining ends of the two poles you would end up with a desired result.  


On May 10, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

It in fact http://www.sparcraft.fr

 

All the best,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: lundi 10 mai 2021 12:02
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Hello Bill
You might want to check the web site address (typo error ?) ,”spacecraft.fr” doesn’t exist but “sparecraft.fr” is still in activity but no sign of the poll ends there....
Kindest regards
Nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Tender Amel 54 #dinghy

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Scott;

 

Thanks for the information. We have a system of supporting the tender and the outboard on the Davits that has also has been proven. Our only concern, at this point,  is the fit on the aft sundeck for longer passages. 

 

We looked at and had the same concerns about the OCT.  We are thinking of the CL340 or CL360, and wondering if it can fit on the aft sundeck, without interfering with the Mizzen traveler or Mizzen winches. If you are on board, can you please provide a measurement from the back of the Mizzen mast to the Mizzen traveler? For us, the tubes protruding into the cockpit, during passages, would be a reasonable compromise, vs. the advantages the larger tender provides, since the tender will be on the Davits the majority of our cruising time.

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 8:14 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

We have the CL310 hypalon. It's a choice between two lesser evils. 

The 310 fits on the aft deck just perfectly for passages. I have it sit bow aft and the transom near the mizzen mast. Because we do not want the cockpit seats to be impacted, I make sure the tubes do not extend into the cockpit. The dinghy bow barely clears the mizen traveller.

Those who have made the CL340 fit must either put the dinghy at an angle or allow the tubes to extend into the cockpit?

That said, the CL310 does not fit on the davits perfectly. I had to fashion a lifting eye on the locker lid. A slightly longer dinghy would have been great for that purpose. 

I'm reasonably happy with the dinghy after nearly 3 years of use in the Med, Caribbean and Pacific. In the Med, you are probably ok with PVC but in the tropics, our PVC backup dinghy sees the sun 75% less than the CL310 is still suffering badly.

The OC tender seemed like a good option but we opted out for two reasons: (1) I have been told by owners that the ride can be jarring (2) The carrying capacity of the CL310 is around 50% more than the OC330. We dive a lot, have friends join now and then and have done some serious provisioning trips while at anchor in places where we can't tie up the big boat, so carrying capacity is important for us.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tender Amel 54 #dinghy

Scott SV Tengah
 

We have the CL310 hypalon. It's a choice between two lesser evils. 

The 310 fits on the aft deck just perfectly for passages. I have it sit bow aft and the transom near the mizzen mast. Because we do not want the cockpit seats to be impacted, I make sure the tubes do not extend into the cockpit. The dinghy bow barely clears the mizen traveller.

Those who have made the CL340 fit must either put the dinghy at an angle or allow the tubes to extend into the cockpit?

That said, the CL310 does not fit on the davits perfectly. I had to fashion a lifting eye on the locker lid. A slightly longer dinghy would have been great for that purpose. 

I'm reasonably happy with the dinghy after nearly 3 years of use in the Med, Caribbean and Pacific. In the Med, you are probably ok with PVC but in the tropics, our PVC backup dinghy sees the sun 75% less than the CL310 is still suffering badly.

The OC tender seemed like a good option but we opted out for two reasons: (1) I have been told by owners that the ride can be jarring (2) The carrying capacity of the CL310 is around 50% more than the OC330. We dive a lot, have friends join now and then and have done some serious provisioning trips while at anchor in places where we can't tie up the big boat, so carrying capacity is important for us.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

Scott SV Tengah
 

I have the Highfield CL310 Hypalon and the Simpson davits. After breaking a few of the lifting lines, here's what we do:

- Replaced the stainless lines with dyneema. Didn't pay Simpson the 4000 GBP or whatever silly amount they wanted to replace the internals to "accommodate dyneema". Simply replaced the stainless with dyneema and splice an eye into the dinghy end. Has worked fine for nearly 2 years and 15+ thousand miles.

- After I lift the dinghy, I simply put a dyneema soft shackle into the dinghy painter eye. I then put the securing ratchet strap through this eye, with one end connected to the stainless eye at the end of the davit and the other end is hooked to a line that I put right at the "armpit" of the davit. Crank it tight. The ratchet strap cannot slip off the bow unless the soft shackle breaks, which is very unlikely as I use a 6mm shackle. If you're really scared of chafe, put a dyneema chafe sleeve on the soft shackle, but the eye will probably rip off before the soft shackle breaks.

- For the stern end, put a short but stout (I use 8mm self made) soft shackle on the eye underneath the davit, near where the lifting lines exit. I use a bigger one on the stern because I usually keep my 44kg motor on. I then put a ratchet strap from one dinghy lifting eye through the soft shackle to the other lifting eye. Crank tight.

THEN, I release the davit lifting lines just a bit so there is almost no tension on them but if the ratchet strap / dyneema soft shackle system breaks, they can still act as a backup.

Hope this helps. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Dan Wilcox
 

Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Dan Carlson
 

Good question Geoff,

We have not observed any impact, however, we've primarily used it at anchor, and only underway under very benign conditions as it is not secure. Although it seems to gimbal on the stovetop ok.

The instructions recommend that you not set it directly on metal stove top burners? So we put a cutting board in between. 

It generates a high frequency oscillating magnetic field, and a pan must be on it. If you lift the pan off to store or ?? It will beep and reduce power until pan is replaced. 

So the magnetic field decreases exponentially based on the distance.  

Our helm compass is about 2 meters away from the cooktop and the autopilot compass is even further.

This is not my area of expertise but I have worked with several different applications of magnetic fields and proximity was always the key. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe


On Mon, May 10, 2021, 6:39 AM Regards Geoff Kidd - Hopefully on track to sign as SV KEYDAH Merchant <gwk13@...> wrote:
Dan.

May I ask please whether your Induction Cooktop has any adverse effect on your main compass or your autopilot when you are cooking on it?


Re: Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold made by SOFOMARIN of welded polypropylene pipe

Arno Luijten
 

If no one is going to do it I’ll do it for the community:

Thanks (again) Bill for putting in all this effort to make our Amels better en more reliable. Much appreciated!

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna 


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Chris Doucette
 

Sparecraft doesnt show the ball and socket style in their catalog, however they show a cylindrical style with a socket-  it seems to me that if one were to buy these- replacing both the joining ends of the two poles you would end up with a desired result.  


On May 10, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

It in fact http://www.sparcraft.fr

 

All the best,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: lundi 10 mai 2021 12:02
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Hello Bill
You might want to check the web site address (typo error ?) ,”spacecraft.fr” doesn’t exist but “sparecraft.fr” is still in activity but no sign of the poll ends there....
Kindest regards
Nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Regards Geoff Kidd - Hopefully on track to sign as SV KEYDAH Merchant
 

Dan.

May I ask please whether your Induction Cooktop has any adverse effect on your main compass or your autopilot when you are cooking on it?


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Jean Boucharlat
 

Hello,

 

It in fact http://www.sparcraft.fr

 

All the best,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via groups.io
Sent: lundi 10 mai 2021 12:02
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

 

Hello Bill
You might want to check the web site address (typo error ?) ,”spacecraft.fr” doesn’t exist but “sparecraft.fr” is still in activity but no sign of the poll ends there....
Kindest regards
Nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Bill
You might want to check the web site address (typo error ?) ,”spacecraft.fr” doesn’t exist but “sparecraft.fr” is still in activity but no sign of the poll ends there....
Kindest regards
Nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Isolation of hull inside Amel54 or AmelSM - and hatches etc.

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Ian 
I like the idea of an electric blanquet , is yours AC or DC ?
Nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Dan Carlson
 

Jose, we purchased a Tefal IH2108 in Martinique. We can set it on the dishwasher, counter or on top of a curting board in the stove top. Nothing special about it. We just wanted something to try.
It has 7 power levels that go up to 2100 watts. 

For rice in the pressure cooker we start at power level 4 for about four minute to bring it up to pressure and then reduce to level 2 for two to three more minutes, then off. Set the pressure cooker to the side for about 15 minutes while you stir fry some meat and veggies and when that's done you have dinner. All uses about 10-20 AH of 24v energy. 

Regards Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe SM#387




On Sun, May 9, 2021, 10:24 AM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Daniel
Did you mount it on top of the gas stove or did you replace it like delos did?  What brand and model?
Thanks
José Gabriel Venegas
Ipanema SM2k 278






Re: LiFePO4 Batteries, what they can do for you.

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Daniel
Did you mount it on top of the gas stove or did you replace it like delos did? What brand and model?
Thanks
José Gabriel Venegas
Ipanema SM2k 278


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Slavko Despotovic
 

It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Spinnaker pole strut mast fitting ball joint replacement? #replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

With you on that Ken.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 May 2021 at 14:10 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

To all,

First thing, everyone that had the ball breaking problem with their pole systems, had their poles where they didn't belong (no pun intended).  My previous owner also blew out a ball on the Pacific Crossing in 2001 (that was when the boat was only 2 years old).  This tells me it's not just a problem your balls not having the proper sun protection.  What it really sez to me,  your balls are the systems weak link. 

As someone else kind-of mentioned.  Henri Amel was a pretty good sailor, and had some pretty good engineers designing his yachts.  Just like the mouse you use to lock your ballooner to the top of the forestay, if you make the weak link out of a stronger material you may just change the breakage POINT, but still have a failure.  The question is... Where is that next failure point?  Could it be your entire rig (that would be a failure of your biggest pole, and an impatient boat entering port may deflate your ego for a very.. very.... long.... time)?  Really, I don't think anyone knows where the next failure point would be, if not for the balls.

Be very careful when changing the material of the systems weak link.  Don't change your mouse to aluminum, because if you make a mistake (AGAIN), it ain't goin' to be pretty!  I don't know where the next week-link in the pole system would be, but, me,  I don't want to find out.  

Just something to think about,

Ken Powers
Sailing Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: watertight doors

karkauai
 

On Kristy, SM 243, the watertight door gaskets are hollow and could not be pared down. 
Kent

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243

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