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Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Most electric motors use mild steel shafts (I doubt the electric motors on the AMEL have nickel or nickel-vanadium shafts due to cost).  The shafts are designed for an infinite life in a controlled environment, given the design torque of the motor/stator.  We have all seen how mild steel can corrode in sodium rich environment.  The pitting that can occur from the sodium ingression can limit the design life at the design torque due to stress corrosion cracking.  


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

michael winand
 

Hi Mike,  mine sheared when I was unfurling the sail.  Still confused about how this was possible.  I replaced the gearbox and motor with the Bongifoly.  See if it works for as long. 
Amel used these on the earlier versions of the SM 
Michael  Nebo  sm251 


On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 7:57 pm, Mike Ondra via groups.io
<mdondra@...> wrote:
Eric,
We had both the outhaul and furling motor for the main shear several years ago.
Mike


On May 3, 2021, at 11:01 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi Mike,

What furling motor is this? Main or Genoa?

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2021 9:11 PM
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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

 

Picking up on a thread from last year re shearing of the motor shafts on the furling motors between the motor and gear box.  Happened to SV Delos as shown in Episode 317 around the 10 min. mark. Others have experienced this, all at the same place (Nebo sm251, Aletes SM 240 twice, and I believe Delos is in the 250’s or 260’s). Curious if others have experienced this and if anyone has an explanation. This is a fairly stout shaft and it would seem the motor should stall before shearing if the shaft was healthy (no fatigued). There is no shaft exposure to weather.

 

Mike Ondra

Aleses SM#240

Chesapeake Bay, USA


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Alejandro Paquin
 

Good morning,
We have a 9 foot Caribe dinghy with fiberglass single bottom. Stored on top of the aft cabin while underway and towed in calm waters. While at the marina it sits also on top of the aft cabin, but some other Maramu owners I´ve seen use a spinnaker halyard to raise the dinghy from the bow and keep it forward of the main mast (semi hanging), resting on its stern. We have a 15 hp Yamaha 2 stroke engine with this dinghy, place on the rail while sailing. I once used a 12 foot dinghy one time, and that went on the deck forward of the main mast. It is an awkward location not very good for visibility. No davits on our boat.
--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Eric,

we use a 3D Tender 270 Hypalon Ultra Light (39kg). It fits perfect on the aft cabin top fully inflated, and we are very happy with the decision.  During passages the dinghi on the aft cabine makes the cockpit even more "cosy" and gives extra protection.
We use a light 9,8 Tohatsu 2-stroke engine (25kg), very fast and also good with some waves.

https://www.nootica.de/schlauchboot-3d-tender-ultra-light-rib-hypalon-270.html

herbert

SN120


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Eric Meury
 

Ian  do you have the 15 or 17 inch tubes and do you mean the 290...i think they only made a 260 and a 290?


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Bill,

thank you for your words. I fully agree.

During my time as chairman of the German Trans-Ocean e.V. from February 2012 to November 2019 I´ve got no report of a collision with a container by one of our sailing members. (Trans-Ocean e.V. is an association of blue water sailors with some 4.500 members.)

The only reports in this period had been:

 

  • 2 collisions with fishing vessels (no severe damage)
  • 1 whale collision (no severe damage)
  • 1 collision with a power line (boat lost due to fire)

During the circumnavigation we did between 2004 and 2009 we had several close encounters but no collision to

  • 1 barrel
  • 1 large buoy 50 miles off the Portuguese coast
  • 1 blue whale surfacing just in front of the bow near the Chilean coast
  • 1 fishing vessel with unconventional lights near the Brasil coast
  • lots of unlighted, small fishing vessels in Indonesian and Malaysian waters
  • some trees or trunks
  • 2 burial rafts in Indonesian waters

Once we hit something while running the engine. But I could´nt see nothing. But for sure it was not a container.

The only real collision happened at an anchorage in Patagonia caused by a sudden storm and a slipping anchor. We unluckily hit the only sailing vessel moored in the same caleta.  

It is as you say. There are much more other risks which are more dangerous than containers but we are used to deal with. And most of the risks you will find close to shore.

Fair winds

Martin
Mago del Sur 54#40


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Andy Croney
 

Hi Eric, we have a Ribeye TS280 RIB , we have Davits so for short trips we lift it - for longer passages it sits on the aft cabin top .
All the best without decisions.

Andy
Maramu’s 8#75
SV Paladin


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

 

Dan,

Thanks for this. 

It seems that early SMs had poles that were 58cm longer than later model SMs. I have to assume Amel shortened the long poles for a reason. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Wed, May 12, 2021, 2:52 PM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  our poles must be monsters...  Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM#86

 
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:


No Bill that was the long poles.  They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot.  They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail.  The "short" poles were not modified.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
John,

That would be the short poles, right?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi gang, 

Our early SM has the original poles and they extend beyond the railing. 

Extra length is very noteable if alongside an SM2K like here in NZ

CHEERS 

Jean- Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 13/05/2021, at 9:52 AM, Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123@...> wrote:


Bill,  our poles must be monsters...  Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM#86

 
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:


No Bill that was the long poles.  They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot.  They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail.  The "short" poles were not modified.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
John,

That would be the short poles, right?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz

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Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

Dan Wilcox
 

Bill,  our poles must be monsters...  Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM#86

 

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:


No Bill that was the long poles.  They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot.  They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail.  The "short" poles were not modified.

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
John,

That would be the short poles, right?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Tender Amel 54 #dinghy

Scott SV Tengah
 

Porter,

You guys make it to fiji ?

With your family of 4, i would be concerned with the oc330 tubes protruding into the cockpit and making the forward facing seats very uncomfortable for passage making. My Highfield cl310 tubes almost protrude, fyi

More importantly, weight capacity is listed at 822lbs. Four people plus 40lb x 4 al80 dive tanks + dive gear + out board will almost certainly put you near or likely over the weight capacity of the oc330.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 13:17 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ladies and Gents:

Re the OCT on an Amel 54:

I believe several (Teun, Paul, others) have an OCT. 
We’re strongly considering one. I see one for sale at 3.2m. Will it fit on the aft poop deck?  What’s the largest we can go and still not interfere with the mizzen traveler? 

And if you have a moment, can anyone comment on the OCT stability with say 3-4 dive bottles, kit and crew?

Quite appreciated!


Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
Tahiti
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

The Highfield seat cover and pocket is a nice design. Unfortunately the fabric is poor quality for the purpose. I have had two seat covers now and both disintegrated after a year; not UV proof!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Bill Kinney
 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.
On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Dennis Johns
 

Hi Eric,

I just replaced my 16 year old Mercury 270 Air Deck Hypalon with a Zodiac Cadet Aero Series Inflatable Boat | Cadet 270 Aero 2020.  I think the Mercury lasted so long because I rolled it up and stowed it in a bow locker when not using it daily.  It is only a four man dinghy (three adults and a smaller person) but it does fit nicely in one of the bow deck lockers and only takes up space on the bow when in an anchorage.  The inflatable floor worked well for about ten years, then developed a leak that could not be repaired.  In Croatia I had a plywood floor fabricated that replaced it nicely.  I went with the Zodiac this time because I don't plan to be in the tropics anymore, so the extra cost of hypalon does not seem worth it.  If the inflatable floor goes away again, I think the floor I had made for the Mercury will replace it.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:09 AM Eric Meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:
Dinghy choices....and storage.  the boat came with a fiberglass carib and found it a bit heavy -  tried a portaboat - crap ...the folding transom fell part.   so back to lookint at ribs.  what size rib do you own and other than davits are where are you storing it and what comprimises are you making in your dinghy/storage selection.


Re: Tender Amel 54 #dinghy

Porter McRoberts
 

Ladies and Gents:

Re the OCT on an Amel 54:

I believe several (Teun, Paul, others) have an OCT. 
We’re strongly considering one. I see one for sale at 3.2m. Will it fit on the aft poop deck?  What’s the largest we can go and still not interfere with the mizzen traveler? 

And if you have a moment, can anyone comment on the OCT stability with say 3-4 dive bottles, kit and crew?

Quite appreciated!


Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
Tahiti
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

The Highfield seat cover and pocket is a nice design. Unfortunately the fabric is poor quality for the purpose. I have had two seat covers now and both disintegrated after a year; not UV proof!


Re: maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Ian Park
 

Eric
I have a Highfield Ultralight 270 (aluminium hull) with a 15hp 2 stroke. The book says max 9.9hp but that’s a 4 stroke which is the same weight. I got the Hypalon version.
Stored inverted on the foredeck, deflated when going any distance. Easy to lift over the side on a halliard single handed. I have a cheap Li Lo electric pump which plugs into the 12v socket in the forward heads. Does most of the work quite quickly then a few pumps to get necessary tube pressure.
My boat already had four small ‘U’ bolts fitted in the sides of the coachroof which accommodate a couple of ratchet straps, so security is fine.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Tender Amel 54 #dinghy

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Mohammed,

the distance between the mizzens base and the travellers car is some 310 cm.

You have to think about the mizzen sheets inclination reducing the available space the higher the bow of the dingy will be. This is depending of the volume of the dingys bow tube of course. Some 50 cm above the aft deck the reduction may be 10 to 15 cm. 

We carrying a AB Lammina 9.5 AL. Length of the dingy is 290 cm. Stored on the aft cabin there is sufficient space to work at the winches and there is no restriction of the cockpit benches. 

Hope this information is helpful.
Fair winds

Martin - Mago del Sur - 54#40


maramu and santorin owners - what size dinghy do you have an where do you store

Eric Meury
 

Dinghy choices....and storage.  the boat came with a fiberglass carib and found it a bit heavy -  tried a portaboat - crap ...the folding transom fell part.   so back to lookint at ribs.  what size rib do you own and other than davits are where are you storing it and what comprimises are you making in your dinghy/storage selection.


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

John Clark
 

Hi Arno,
   yes I have seen that on some SM2Ks as well and also with the poles inside the rail.  The poles seem to work fine so I never gave it too much thought.


On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 7:18 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi John,

You mean when they are stored on deck? First time I’ve heatd about a Insurance company interfering at that level. 
On Luna the 2nd pole is in on deck and goes past the pushpit extending to about the same “forwardness” as the bowroller


Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Super Maramu length of the Long Pole

John Clark
 

No Bill that was the long poles.  They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot.  They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail.  The "short" poles were not modified.


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
John,

That would be the short poles, right?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails.  I never measured them but they work fine.

John Clark
Annie SM 37
St Thomas, USVI

On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan,

I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.

Here is SM444:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  

So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:


It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
-
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Help! Which gearbox fits best on my Amel Maramu with Beta 60 engine and original propeller.

michael winand
 

I went with a beta 60 with the tmc260  at 2.45 ratio, in a super maramu   happy, I think you will be too 
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 7:37 am, James Watkins via groups.io
<ewatk49734@...> wrote:

Dirk   I did a refit on a Maramu hull 177 of a yanmar and used the original transmission.  I can send picture if you want them.

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Maramu 177  Act II

 

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From: Dirk Hazenoot Maramu Huli 171 via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Help! Which gearbox fits best on my Amel Maramu with Beta 60 engine and original propeller.

 

Dear Amel friends, On our Amel Maramu hull 171 construction year 1985 the engine needs to be replaced. Our choice is a Beta 60. I've been configuring the motor for a week now. But unfortunately I can't figure it out myself. One says this and the other says that, in short, I have completely lost the thread. Which gearbox should I choose and with what ratio? My advisor in Holland says that I should go for a ZF25 hydraulic or a PRM 280 Hydraulic and my mechanic in France says that I should go for a mechanical ZF25 so that I can then tighten the prop. I am curious which gearbox and with what ratio you think best suits my Amel Maramu with a Beta 60 engine.

 

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