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Depth sensor reading bad values after power cycling

Billy Newport
 

Turned my electronics off and on today and now the depth went from correct to widely ranging incorrect depths between 38 and 90m of water. It reports as an airmar dstxxx, anyone know exactly which model it is and what a suitable replacement would be?

Thanks

Billy (Amel 55#56)


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

michael winand
 

Hi Woody,
These are the numbers of the motor  and gearbox.  You will have to have new cedal holders made to mount the gearbox to the mast,  also the shaft that engaged the mast furling is a different diameter,  you can machine the gearbox to suit the shaft on the outhaul and the mast (easy enough to do), I had a new post that fits the mast furling made instead of changing the gearbox, 
The ratios is a little slower not really an issue, 
MVF044070063PB14
MVF44P R70 F63 B14

NPN61
330W 24V  F63B14 LN56
NO FANNING IP54 
Motor and gearbox cost 900 aus dollars,  not sure what the cost of the machine shop is,  probably another 600. But that’s because they have the design drawings for the cnc machine to make them. New LS from Amel was 3000 aus 

Hopefully you can have your motor repaired. 
Michael 

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On Sat, 15 May 2021 at 6:44 am, Alan "Woody" Wood
<woody@...> wrote:
Hi Michael

Having spend €500 getting the casing for our Leroy Somer rebuilt I'm now trying to source new brushes in the Caribbean.. which isn't easy for an obsolete motor :/
I now wish I'd just replaced it when it seised in the first place.

Can I ask what model number of the Bongifoli you replaced the LS with?.. do you have a link to it?

Cheers
Woody


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Hi Michael

Having spend €500 getting the casing for our Leroy Somer rebuilt I'm now trying to source new brushes in the Caribbean.. which isn't easy for an obsolete motor :/
I now wish I'd just replaced it when it seised in the first place.

Can I ask what model number of the Bongifoli you replaced the LS with?.. do you have a link to it?

Cheers
Woody


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Eric, got it now

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 May 2021 at 06:40 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Its just New York slang pronounced cant hoit,  cant hurt

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 11:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric. Is that a typo or is it a saying Im not familiar with.

Regards

Danny 

On 14 May 2021 at 09:29 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 

 

 


 


 

 



 


 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Git it. Thanks

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 May 2021 at 01:06 rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:

"Can't Hurt" Bit of a Long Island?  Boston?  accent.


Warning about "UFOs"

eric freedman
 

This note is from one of my crewmembers who is a 2nd mate on a container ship.

It is worthwhile reading.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Eric,

 

I’m currently in Canada, up the Saguenay River with 590 feet of dynamite on board.. I might be going up to northern Greenland (76 deg North) for a cargo next month.

 

There is no device on any containers that I have ever seen that sinks containers, they will only sink if water is able to get in, either through a hole in the steel or through the doors.

 

That’s one of those things you can’t really prevent, if a container is there, you’re not gonna see it unless it’s calm seas.

 

 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

eric freedman
 

Its just New York slang pronounced cant hoit,  cant hurt

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 11:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric. Is that a typo or is it a saying Im not familiar with.

Regards

Danny 

On 14 May 2021 at 09:29 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 

 

 


 


 


Re: la Querida for sale

Chip Beaman
 

Is La Querida still for sale? If so please reach out to me at 

chipfrog128@....  

thank you


Re: New (and proud) owners of SY-Kolibri - #174

Micky Ball
 

Congratulations Hermann


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

rossirossix4
 

"Can't Hurt" Bit of a Long Island?  Boston?  accent.


Re: New (and proud) owners of SY-Kolibri - #174

Jarek Zemlo
 


Congratulations and welcome to the AMEL owners group

Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM #201


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Dear Alan 
My Amel is also in New Sealand. 
Did the New Sealanders let you in? Iff so how did you do that? Can you write me an Mail please 
heinz@...
Thanks 
Heinz SM 2000, 292, SY Quetzal.



Am 14.05.2021 um 00:21 schrieb Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

With all due respect, Amel didn't "design" the gear train, they only specified it.
Both the Leroy Somer and Bongifoli(?) units are standard production industrial motor gearbox units used in factories for example as conveyor drivers.
They are nothing special.
And there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM437
On my way to New Zealand today to be reunited with my beautiful boat after more than a year !


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric. Is that a typo or is it a saying Im not familiar with.

Regards

Danny 

On 14 May 2021 at 09:29 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 

 



 


 


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hey Alan, 

Good for you!

Other than a long beard, the batteries are ok, the water tank should have water. 

We are doing a maintenance cycle and will be on G17 tomorrow AM. 

JP


On 14/05/2021, at 10:21 AM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

With all due respect, Amel didn't "design" the gear train, they only specified it.
Both the Leroy Somer and Bongifoli(?) units are standard production industrial motor gearbox units used in factories for example as conveyor drivers.
They are nothing special.
And there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM437
On my way to New Zealand today to be reunited with my beautiful boat after more than a year !


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Alan Leslie
 

With all due respect, Amel didn't "design" the gear train, they only specified it.
Both the Leroy Somer and Bongifoli(?) units are standard production industrial motor gearbox units used in factories for example as conveyor drivers.
They are nothing special.
And there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM437
On my way to New Zealand today to be reunited with my beautiful boat after more than a year !


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

eric freedman
 

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Peter Killen
 

Hi All,

Some years ago we were en route from SW Ireland to the Azores. 
Conditions were not great, with a fairly big sea running and very misty. 
We were about 600 miles from our destination and didn’t see the container, which had only one corner awash, and covered in seaweed, poking up out of the sea, until we were about 50 metres abeam of it. A nasty surprise!

We sailed approximately 80k miles in Pure Magic, and many more miles in other boats, but never had a similar incident before or since. 

Peter

Previous owner of SM Pure Magic  433



On 13 May 2021, at 20:31, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 



 


 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 



 


 


Re: New (and proud) owners of SY-Kolibri - #174

 

Wonderful. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Thu, May 13, 2021, 8:18 AM Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:
Hella and Herman

Welcome and enjoy Kolibri! 

Roque 

Attika A54 117
Paraty- Brazil 

Em qui., 13 de mai. de 2021 às 11:48, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:
Congratulations enjoy the adventure 👍🏻😁


On May 13, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Mark Garver via groups.io <mgarver=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

Welcome to a wonderful group of Amel owners and congratulations!

Mark and Jennifer Garver
S/V It’s Good
SM #105

On May 13, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Herman Goverse <h.goverse@...> wrote:

Hello all,

after looking at Super Maramu’s for years we have signed the contract on our Amel Super Maramu ‘Kolibri’. The great help and advise from Bill Rouse has been (and still is) of great value for us in the process of becoming Amel owners.


We believe Kolibri was well looked after and we will give some extra love and attention in the coming years before se set of on our great sailing adventure in the next years. 

Guess we will find some help and advise on this forum in our journey in sailing and maintaining Kolibri. 


Hella and Herman
--
SY-Kolibri - SM #174



Re: Warning about "UFOs"

eric freedman
 

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

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