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Re: Depth sensor reading bad values after power cycling

 

Billy,

I assume that you have a sonic speed transducer, rather than a paddle wheel. I have experienced an erratic reading caused when the frequency of something nearby was at the same frequency as the speed transducer receiver. The first time this happened was during a very heavy rainstorm in poorly charted Tonga. I believe that the frequency of the large raindrops pounding the water matched and/or interfered with the frequency of the receiver and the analog instrument dived to zero...wow it was a panic. In 11 years, this only happened twice, both times with a very heavy rainstorm.

Possibly something nearby or a huge rainstorm caused your issue. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:39 AM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
It started working again today. Debris on the transducer?


Re: Depth sensor reading bad values after power cycling

Billy Newport
 

It started working again today. Debris on the transducer?


Re: Rudder moving when anchored - Hy-Drive steering

Bill Kinney
 

Michael,

With hydraulic steering, there is usually no way to stop the problem you are experiencing.  Since there is not a "solid" connection from rudder to wheel, even the tiniest amount of leakage of hydraulic fluid slowly resets the relationship between the wheel and the rudder.

In short, with hydraulic steering there is no way to ensure the rudder and wheel stay in a fixed relationship.

You might be able to lock it in place with something using the emergency tiller connection, but this is a bit inconvenient (at best) and a bit of a kludge.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: Steering wheel removal

 

Eric,

More than you wanted to know:

There are two threaded holes 8mm on either side of the axis. Use the AutoProp Puller and modify it by drilling two 9mm holes spaced 48mm - 63mm apart (it varies). Two 8mm screws are inserted into the new holes of the extractor and screwed into the holes of the wheel. By screwing in the center bolt of the AutoProp Puller, the steering wheel can be removed. 

Note from Steve S/V ALOHA: The older SMs do not have the 2 holes on the wheel for a puller. A technique that works is to have one person sit in the helm seat and pull hard on the wheel with both hands while the other taps on the shaft with a weighted mallet. Make sure to protect the threads on the shaft with the nut. This was recommended by Olivier, and it worked after a few whacks.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 4:02 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

What size are the holes in the prop puller?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 7:46 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Steering wheel removal

 

This may help you, especially if you have an AutoProp and AutoProp puller.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:15 PM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Hello,

is there easy way to remove the steering wheel on SM. I have removed the part with Henry Amel signature, and removed the screw. From here I do not know as the wheel is firm in place. I do not what break anything so advice will be helpful. Wheel will be send to company that will put new leather  cover.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Alan,

 

I have the same question; can you cc me when you reply Heinz.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

I am in USA

AMELIT is in Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 16, 2021 17:52:42

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Heinz Stutenbaeumer via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 01:11
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

 

Dear Alan 

My Amel is also in New Sealand. 

Did the New Sealanders let you in? Iff so how did you do that? Can you write me an Mail please 

Thanks 

Heinz SM 2000, 292, SY Quetzal.

 



Am 14.05.2021 um 00:21 schrieb Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

With all due respect, Amel didn't "design" the gear train, they only specified it.
Both the Leroy Somer and Bongifoli(?) units are standard production industrial motor gearbox units used in factories for example as conveyor drivers.
They are nothing special.
And there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM437
On my way to New Zealand today to be reunited with my beautiful boat after more than a year !


Re: Steering wheel removal

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Bill,

What size are the holes in the prop puller?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 7:46 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Steering wheel removal

 

This may help you, especially if you have an AutoProp and AutoProp puller.

image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:15 PM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Hello,

is there easy way to remove the steering wheel on SM. I have removed the part with Henry Amel signature, and removed the screw. From here I do not know as the wheel is firm in place. I do not what break anything so advice will be helpful. Wheel will be send to company that will put new leather  cover.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


SM 2K hull, boot stripe, and rub rail colors

karkauai
 

Hi Amelians,
Our boat yard lost the colors we picked out last Fall.  Our rail and bootstripe have been primed, so nothing to compare to. I want to use awkgrip on the hull and bootstripe, and Awlcraft on the rail.
I've searched the site and found that some have used Awlgrip Eggshell on the hull. Is that a close match to the original? 
We don't want to use the Desert Sand on the bootstripe.  
It looks like either International Orange or Vermilion would be pretty close. Any other thoughts on that?

I see Steve used a Trojan battery to custom mix a rub rail
color.  Has anyone used a stock color that is very close to the otiginal? We have the new offwhite gutter cap if that makes any difference.

Thanks for any insight.
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243
Sailing from Chesapeake to Maine for the Summer.


Rudder moving when anchored - Hy-Drive steering

Michael Brusch
 

Hi guys, I have an Amel Maramu, which has been retrofitted with a hydraulic steering system (Hy-drive) (The original cable steering system was disconnected and left in place). When anchored and when current or waves are present, the rudder seems to move on its own all the way to port, thus knocking the hull right under my bed. Sometimes at night I would go out and bring the steering wheel al the way over to starboard, which gives me a few hours until the rudder is back all the way to port.

My question: Is there a way to keep the rudder from moving independently? I tried fixing the wheel in place, but this does not seem to do anything. I am so frustrated that I am considering going back to cable steering. I have also been thinking of installing a Hydrovane system in which case I want to make sure that the rudder stays centered when sailing.

Thank you for your input :)


Re: Depth sensor reading bad values after power cycling

Bill Kinney
 

Airmar transducers all come with a tag on the wire close to the transducer with detailed part information. It's worth a look to see if it is still there...


Re: overhead insulation and headliner

marklesparkle59
 

Sea Hobos linings were replaced with 5mm of foam and finished off with the type of carpet you find on camper vans. Definitely more insulating and brighter than the broken down foam backed vinyl which had lasted for 30 years.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo. Sharki #96
Currently in Cawsand Bay UK


overhead insulation and headliner

Eric Meury
 

our headliner was removed on our boat when we bought it and a ceramic paint was installed.  (it was one of the years that the original foam used didn't hold up).  I was never really a fan of the color choice of the original head liner anyway and the white spray makes the boat brigher.  this summer we are planning to add white bead board type ceiling and while i'm doing this i think its a good idea to add in come insulation.  So what insulation material have you used with success and what have been some failures that you are unhappy with.


Depth sensor reading bad values after power cycling

Billy Newport
 

Turned my electronics off and on today and now the depth went from correct to widely ranging incorrect depths between 38 and 90m of water. It reports as an airmar dstxxx, anyone know exactly which model it is and what a suitable replacement would be?

Thanks

Billy (Amel 55#56)


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

michael winand
 

Hi Woody,
These are the numbers of the motor  and gearbox.  You will have to have new cedal holders made to mount the gearbox to the mast,  also the shaft that engaged the mast furling is a different diameter,  you can machine the gearbox to suit the shaft on the outhaul and the mast (easy enough to do), I had a new post that fits the mast furling made instead of changing the gearbox, 
The ratios is a little slower not really an issue, 
MVF044070063PB14
MVF44P R70 F63 B14

NPN61
330W 24V  F63B14 LN56
NO FANNING IP54 
Motor and gearbox cost 900 aus dollars,  not sure what the cost of the machine shop is,  probably another 600. But that’s because they have the design drawings for the cnc machine to make them. New LS from Amel was 3000 aus 

Hopefully you can have your motor repaired. 
Michael 

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On Sat, 15 May 2021 at 6:44 am, Alan "Woody" Wood
<woody@...> wrote:
Hi Michael

Having spend €500 getting the casing for our Leroy Somer rebuilt I'm now trying to source new brushes in the Caribbean.. which isn't easy for an obsolete motor :/
I now wish I'd just replaced it when it seised in the first place.

Can I ask what model number of the Bongifoli you replaced the LS with?.. do you have a link to it?

Cheers
Woody


Re: Furler motor to gearbox sm2000

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Hi Michael

Having spend €500 getting the casing for our Leroy Somer rebuilt I'm now trying to source new brushes in the Caribbean.. which isn't easy for an obsolete motor :/
I now wish I'd just replaced it when it seised in the first place.

Can I ask what model number of the Bongifoli you replaced the LS with?.. do you have a link to it?

Cheers
Woody


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Eric, got it now

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 May 2021 at 06:40 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Its just New York slang pronounced cant hoit,  cant hurt

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 11:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric. Is that a typo or is it a saying Im not familiar with.

Regards

Danny 

On 14 May 2021 at 09:29 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 

 

 


 


 

 



 


 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Git it. Thanks

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 May 2021 at 01:06 rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:

"Can't Hurt" Bit of a Long Island?  Boston?  accent.


Warning about "UFOs"

Eric Freedman
 

This note is from one of my crewmembers who is a 2nd mate on a container ship.

It is worthwhile reading.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Eric,

 

I’m currently in Canada, up the Saguenay River with 590 feet of dynamite on board.. I might be going up to northern Greenland (76 deg North) for a cargo next month.

 

There is no device on any containers that I have ever seen that sinks containers, they will only sink if water is able to get in, either through a hole in the steel or through the doors.

 

That’s one of those things you can’t really prevent, if a container is there, you’re not gonna see it unless it’s calm seas.

 

 


Re: Warning about "UFOs"

Eric Freedman
 

Its just New York slang pronounced cant hoit,  cant hurt

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 11:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric. Is that a typo or is it a saying Im not familiar with.

Regards

Danny 

On 14 May 2021 at 09:29 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Can’t Hoit !!

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Hi Eric, that impact would have sunk a lesser boat. I have no idea if it is sensible but I run my forward looking sonar at sea, not expecting to see a whale ahead but that the sonar may warn a whale of my approach. Foolish? Don' know but I've never hit a whale 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 14 May 2021 at 03:54 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

While Sailing West of Africa towards the Caribbean we were surfing down the waves in the Trade Winds using our gennaker one day we averaged 10 knots.

At first, I did not see it, But I hit a whale in the middle of its body. It stopped us dead and I heard it hit the boat twice. I assume it first hit the bow and then the keel,

The stop was so sudden that one crewmember flew from the saloon to the forward berth without injury.

I started the engine to warn any other whales. We were checking the bilges but based upon the configuration that would be of little help.

 

As the whale went by it was much bigger than Kimberlite. I looked it in the eye, and it seemed to give me a dirty look, I also think he flipped me the flipper.

The seas were large so I could not dive at that time. 2 days later I dove on the boat and everything was where it was supposed to be and now after 15 years everything is still AOK.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Warning about "UFOs"

 

Just a word of reassurance.  This topic is one that comes up all the time, and is passed around the sailing world and it seems to grow larger and more panicked with each telling. It's is a great boogy-man story because it has the evil, greedy shipping companies as the villains and the poor smallboat sailor as the helpless victim.

All I can do is give my personnel take on the topic as someone who has been intimately connected with the sailing world for several decades. Ignoring press stories, and scuttlebutt that starts with "I heard about a guy...", and staying with things I know first hand.  Your experience might be different, so, here goes: I HAVE seen many things floating on the ocean that I would NOT want to hit, most of them large trees, or pieces of lumber. But...

  • In 10's of thousands of ocean miles sailing I have NEVER seen a container in the ocean.  
  • NEVER have I seen one wash up on a beach. If there were a significant number of them floating in the ocean surely this would happen?
  • NEVER have I talked to anyone who has actually, first hand, seen a container floating in the ocean or washed up on a beach.
  • NEVER have I heard from someone who actually can confirm they hit a floating container.  
  • I know of just one boat that hit an unidentified floating object, at night in the middle of the ocean but what it hit was just that, unidentified.  
  • Never have I hit a container at sea.

On the other hand, I know personally of two boats that sunk after hitting whales, and two others that were disabled after whale strikes. I have been on a boat that hit a whale, thankfully without consequences.  By my reckoning, whales are at least 50 times more dangerous to small boats than shipping containers, and the risk of boats hitting reefs are at least 50 times higher again.

It is human nature to feel that risks we have no control over are much higher than those things were we think we can control. This is why many people have a fear of flying, but not of driving a car, even though the risk presented in an automobile is many times higher. We, quite rightly, feel that there is very little or nothing we can do ourselves to mitigate the risk of a collision with a container at sea.  This lack of control of the risk causes us to greatly inflate the relative risk of the event.

I am not saying that hitting a container is impossible, but the risks are WAY WAY down on the list of things we deal with at sea.  The risk does not deserve the number of words written about it over the years. (Even though I just added to them!)

 

 


 


 

 

 


 


 


Re: la Querida for sale

Chip Beaman
 

Is La Querida still for sale? If so please reach out to me at 

chipfrog128@....  

thank you


Re: New (and proud) owners of SY-Kolibri - #174

Micky Ball
 

Congratulations Hermann

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