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locked Re: Q sails operational?

 

Chris I see you on the backlog report, but I do not see any more info.

I will write them and cc you.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:14 AM Chris Doucette <amaroksailing@...> wrote:
Bill I have had an order with them since lady fall- do you see mine?  They told me they are done but have not shipped them for months.  

Chris,
Amarok SM385

On May 25, 2021, at 12:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Miles, I do not understand your question. I am in touch with QSails. 

This is how I understand the current situation: Things are tough in Turkey now. Additionally, there is a supply shortage of sailcloth and other materials imported into Turkey by QSails. FedEx and UPS have each lost sails in the last few months probably because of complications with staffing caused by COVID. So lots of things making things somewhat crazy.

QSails is enjoying brisk sales at this time of the year, especially with Amel owners. I asked them for a report of Amel Owners backlog. There were 10 owners on that backlog Monday and today there are 9. 

Miles, I do not see you on the backlog. Have you placed an order yet?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:09 AM smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
ok thanks Kathy  ... I have been trying to contact Cenk for a month with no reply 

I'll try again 

All the best 
Miles

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM GMT+1, Kathy Rainsbury via groups.io <ksa_rainsbury=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...


locked Re: Q sails operational?

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
 

I’ve been waiting over 5 months for my sails. I’ve had various dramas and excuses associated with Q. Unless you are in Turkey, or maybe Europe I  would recommend you look elsewhere. 

Sent from ProtonMail for iOS


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:09 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Miles, I do not understand your question. I am in touch with QSails. 

This is how I understand the current situation: Things are tough in Turkey now. Additionally, there is a supply shortage of sailcloth and other materials imported into Turkey by QSails. FedEx and UPS have each lost sails in the last few months probably because of complications with staffing caused by COVID. So lots of things making things somewhat crazy.

QSails is enjoying brisk sales at this time of the year, especially with Amel owners. I asked them for a report of Amel Owners backlog. There were 10 owners on that backlog Monday and today there are 9. 

Miles, I do not see you on the backlog. Have you placed an order yet?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:09 AM smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
ok thanks Kathy  ... I have been trying to contact Cenk for a month with no reply 

I'll try again 

All the best 
Miles

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM GMT+1, Kathy Rainsbury via groups.io <ksa_rainsbury=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...




locked Re: Q sails operational?

Chris Doucette
 

Bill I have had an order with them since lady fall- do you see mine?  They told me they are done but have not shipped them for months.  

Chris,
Amarok SM385

On May 25, 2021, at 12:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Miles, I do not understand your question. I am in touch with QSails. 

This is how I understand the current situation: Things are tough in Turkey now. Additionally, there is a supply shortage of sailcloth and other materials imported into Turkey by QSails. FedEx and UPS have each lost sails in the last few months probably because of complications with staffing caused by COVID. So lots of things making things somewhat crazy.

QSails is enjoying brisk sales at this time of the year, especially with Amel owners. I asked them for a report of Amel Owners backlog. There were 10 owners on that backlog Monday and today there are 9. 

Miles, I do not see you on the backlog. Have you placed an order yet?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:09 AM smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
ok thanks Kathy  ... I have been trying to contact Cenk for a month with no reply 

I'll try again 

All the best 
Miles

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM GMT+1, Kathy Rainsbury via groups.io <ksa_rainsbury=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...


locked Re: Q sails operational?

 

Miles, I do not understand your question. I am in touch with QSails. 

This is how I understand the current situation: Things are tough in Turkey now. Additionally, there is a supply shortage of sailcloth and other materials imported into Turkey by QSails. FedEx and UPS have each lost sails in the last few months probably because of complications with staffing caused by COVID. So lots of things making things somewhat crazy.

QSails is enjoying brisk sales at this time of the year, especially with Amel owners. I asked them for a report of Amel Owners backlog. There were 10 owners on that backlog Monday and today there are 9. 

Miles, I do not see you on the backlog. Have you placed an order yet?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:09 AM smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
ok thanks Kathy  ... I have been trying to contact Cenk for a month with no reply 

I'll try again 

All the best 
Miles

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM GMT+1, Kathy Rainsbury via groups.io <ksa_rainsbury=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...


Re: Cook top dimensions

Jérémy Lajotte,
 

Thank you for detailed data ! I'll see how my small Onan will handle it :) I'm still waiting for my cells to be delivered, but I'm currently fitting the Quattro (I choose to mount it in the aft wardrobe of the passageway).

Jérémy
SM#121
Le 25/05/2021 à 13:38, Barry Connor via groups.io a écrit :

Hi Jeremy,

We have the Onan 11KW in the engine room, it does get hot in there.
The generator sends 220V to the Quattro. We can only take 8000W before the breaker kicks on. This is I am told something to do with the heat in the engine room. The Quattro only takes about 6000W to put  24V  170-180AMP charge to the batteries. I will check again but I think I have the Quattro set at max charging to batteries at 200AMP. 
The Quattro does heat up and if don’t turn on my installed top  exhaust fan the charge from the Quattro to the batteries drops to 140AMP. The top exhaust is on before the 2 Quattro internal bottom cooling fans even kick in.
The 120AMP charge to the batteries from the 170AMP engine alternator is with engine running at about 1500 RPM.
Hope I have explained this correctly. I am not an electrician.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On May 25, 2021, at 05:48, Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:



Hi Barry,

I'm installing a Quattro 8000/200 too. I'm curious about the charging at 170A you mentioned, using the genset. Can't you reach the max 200A ? What genset do you have ?

I have a 6.5KW. Theoretically it should reach 225A at 28.8V. Including some lost, I though the 200A could be achieved with the genset... but I may be wrong. (well 170A is already a very good number ;) )

(Sorry for the off-topic).

Thanks,

Jérémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 22:50, Barry Connor via groups.io a écrit :
Hi again Bill,

Attaching a few photos but will post more and explanation how it all was put together.
The 220V from the Victron now powers completely the 220V panel in the galley. 
The generator and shore power go straight from the Amel installed switching devise through the Victron to only charge the batteries.
The 170amp engine 24V alternator is controlled through a Wakespeed direct to the batteries, I will send you photos of the engine room soon.

I can actually simultaneously charge the batteries from - Generator 170amp + Engine Alternator 120amp + Arch solar panels 20amp + Bimini solar panels 12amp. have actually put in over 300amp at one time.


Very Best

Barry


On May 24, 2021, at 15:26, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Barry,

Yes, I know about the GN Espace cookware and the chicken and the egg, but GN Espace really impresses me.

Please send me photos of your V 8000 install.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:10 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I did notice at the time that Gn Espace sold cookware. Did not know this about cooking standards though. Thanks for the info.
Maybe. if the rep had offered new oven trays and baking dishes I would have gone further with him. Just Kidding.

I will try to post very soon our complete experience with the conversion. I actually fitted the Victron Quattro 8000, all is now working as should. 

Very Best

Barry

On Monday, May 24, 2021, 2:42:49 PM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Thanks, Barry.

I will contact him. BTW, the oven and other dimensions on GN Espace are driven by standard dimensions of pans. As far as I know, no other manufacturer of stoves for boats does this.

"These systems have been designed around the Gastronorm standard sizes of containers used in commercial, professional, and catering kitchens. These standards form the building block of GN Espace's integrated systems. The GN Espace stoves and sinks have been designed to transform the galley space into an ergonomic, functional, and significantly safer place to prepare and cook food while at sea."

Gastronorm (GN), sometimes spelled Gastro-Norm, is a European standard for kitchenware tray and container sizes that is commonly seen worldwide in the catering and professional food industry, as well as in certain parts of the high-end consumer market.

So now you know where the "GN" comes from in their name. Big is not always better, but usually perfectly engineered is BEST.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill and All,

When we were looking at electric ovens with induction cooktops the only 2 basic choices were the Ocean Chef 3 from Gn Espace UK and the Horizon 3 from Marine Cookers "Techimpex.tv".
The retail price we found initially was about £4,000 for each from different Marine Suppliers in UK.
We actually spoke to the Techimpex representative in Italy and he gave us a special price of 1,850 euro without tax.

What the main advantage was between the 2 units was that the Horizon 3 had bigger inside width and we could still use the baking trays from our Eno 4 burner gas oven and all S/S pans still fitted on the cook top. The Ocean Chef oven was a smaller width inside and we would have had to buy smaller baking pans. The Horizon 3 as well as the Ocean Chef 3 overall oven is smaller than the old Eno but we have roasted 2 chickens with vegetables. It heats up much faster (200deg in 10min) and holds even temperature constant when set.

We had a lot of back and forth between the 2 companies to get all the exact specifications and measurements. The Ocean Chef rep was disappointed when we pointed out his inside oven measurements were less than the Horizon 3 and that we would need to buy new baking pans. We didn't then try to negotiate any special price with him so I can't say that he would have matched the Horizon 3 price.

As we took all the LPGas out we also bought the Techimpex electric grill which fits perfectly inside our Kumma LPGas s/s frame.
Was fun fitting this, took a few tests to get it inside and are still doing the High Temp Silicone seal. Had to put in a cooling fan to keep the electric switches cool. See Photos. BBQ with lid off.

Bill, I think if you contacted the Techimpex representative "Frederico" that you could get a very good deal for the group. He was relentless in keeping in touch and answering email and queries immediately. 

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martnique



On Monday, May 24, 2021, 8:08:06 AM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jeremy,

I negotiated an Amel Owners Yacht School discount for my clients. It is significant. Every one of my clients that have bought from Gn Espace seems to really like the product. I actually think that they are the best and since ENO was acquired, I am not sure that there is any other choice at any price that provides you with reasonable quality. Frankly, I am surprised that Amel has not moved to GN Espace. It is not only about electric/conductive solutions it is about quality and engineering. You should also check out how the stove and the containers that GN Espace have been engineered.

Posting it here may be viewed as an advertisement for Amel Owners Yacht School. Sometimes I find myself in this "slippery situation." But follow this link: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/gn-espace.html

Let me know if you have any questions. I know the principles of GN Espace and can probably get you any information you need.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:49 AM Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:

Who would be interested in a group buy for the OceanChef3 ?

For owners who already installed it : how much was it ? GN website only mentions a price starting at ~£2000...

Thanks,

J��rémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 00:45, Nicolas Klene via groups.io a écrit :
Perfect ! 
Thanks a lot Denise.
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


locked Re: Q sails operational?

smiles bernard
 

ok thanks Kathy  ... I have been trying to contact Cenk for a month with no reply 

I'll try again 

All the best 
Miles

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 01:05:35 PM GMT+1, Kathy Rainsbury via groups.io <ksa_rainsbury@...> wrote:


Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...


locked Re: Q sails operational?

Kathy Rainsbury
 

Hi M,
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and had a very prompt reply re quotation for new sails, from the Izmir office: Cenk.yildirim@...


locked Re: Q sails operational?

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Aktan
I’ll try again 
All the best 


On 25 May 2021, at 11:30, Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:

Hi Bernard,
I informed them. They had an e-mail/server problem but it was solved. They will answer your mail.
Best regards 

Aktan TEMIZ

+905322965599

SV YAKAMOZ

SM2K #469


smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard@...> şunları yazdı (25 May 2021 12:11):

Hi there folks

Turkey has been in a national lockdown for a few weeks but heard they were emerging from that again last week, however,  I’ve not had any response to emails for a long time now

Does anyone else know if they are operational and if so, if they have managed to ship sails at all recently ?

Many thanks
M






Re: Cook top dimensions

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeremy,

We have the Onan 11KW in the engine room, it does get hot in there.
The generator sends 220V to the Quattro. We can only take 8000W before the breaker kicks on. This is I am told something to do with the heat in the engine room. The Quattro only takes about 6000W to put  24V  170-180AMP charge to the batteries. I will check again but I think I have the Quattro set at max charging to batteries at 200AMP. 
The Quattro does heat up and if don’t turn on my installed top  exhaust fan the charge from the Quattro to the batteries drops to 140AMP. The top exhaust is on before the 2 Quattro internal bottom cooling fans even kick in.
The 120AMP charge to the batteries from the 170AMP engine alternator is with engine running at about 1500 RPM.
Hope I have explained this correctly. I am not an electrician.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On May 25, 2021, at 05:48, Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:



Hi Barry,

I'm installing a Quattro 8000/200 too. I'm curious about the charging at 170A you mentioned, using the genset. Can't you reach the max 200A ? What genset do you have ?

I have a 6.5KW. Theoretically it should reach 225A at 28.8V. Including some lost, I though the 200A could be achieved with the genset... but I may be wrong. (well 170A is already a very good number ;) )

(Sorry for the off-topic).

Thanks,

Jérémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 22:50, Barry Connor via groups.io a écrit :
Hi again Bill,

Attaching a few photos but will post more and explanation how it all was put together.
The 220V from the Victron now powers completely the 220V panel in the galley. 
The generator and shore power go straight from the Amel installed switching devise through the Victron to only charge the batteries.
The 170amp engine 24V alternator is controlled through a Wakespeed direct to the batteries, I will send you photos of the engine room soon.

I can actually simultaneously charge the batteries from - Generator 170amp + Engine Alternator 120amp + Arch solar panels 20amp + Bimini solar panels 12amp. have actually put in over 300amp at one time.


Very Best

Barry


On May 24, 2021, at 15:26, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Barry,

Yes, I know about the GN Espace cookware and the chicken and the egg, but GN Espace really impresses me.

Please send me photos of your V 8000 install.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:10 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I did notice at the time that Gn Espace sold cookware. Did not know this about cooking standards though. Thanks for the info.
Maybe. if the rep had offered new oven trays and baking dishes I would have gone further with him. Just Kidding.

I will try to post very soon our complete experience with the conversion. I actually fitted the Victron Quattro 8000, all is now working as should. 

Very Best

Barry

On Monday, May 24, 2021, 2:42:49 PM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Thanks, Barry.

I will contact him. BTW, the oven and other dimensions on GN Espace are driven by standard dimensions of pans. As far as I know, no other manufacturer of stoves for boats does this.

"These systems have been designed around the Gastronorm standard sizes of containers used in commercial, professional, and catering kitchens. These standards form the building block of GN Espace's integrated systems. The GN Espace stoves and sinks have been designed to transform the galley space into an ergonomic, functional, and significantly safer place to prepare and cook food while at sea."

Gastronorm (GN), sometimes spelled Gastro-Norm, is a European standard for kitchenware tray and container sizes that is commonly seen worldwide in the catering and professional food industry, as well as in certain parts of the high-end consumer market.

So now you know where the "GN" comes from in their name. Big is not always better, but usually perfectly engineered is BEST.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill and All,

When we were looking at electric ovens with induction cooktops the only 2 basic choices were the Ocean Chef 3 from Gn Espace UK and the Horizon 3 from Marine Cookers "Techimpex.tv".
The retail price we found initially was about £4,000 for each from different Marine Suppliers in UK.
We actually spoke to the Techimpex representative in Italy and he gave us a special price of 1,850 euro without tax.

What the main advantage was between the 2 units was that the Horizon 3 had bigger inside width and we could still use the baking trays from our Eno 4 burner gas oven and all S/S pans still fitted on the cook top. The Ocean Chef oven was a smaller width inside and we would have had to buy smaller baking pans. The Horizon 3 as well as the Ocean Chef 3 overall oven is smaller than the old Eno but we have roasted 2 chickens with vegetables. It heats up much faster (200deg in 10min) and holds even temperature constant when set.

We had a lot of back and forth between the 2 companies to get all the exact specifications and measurements. The Ocean Chef rep was disappointed when we pointed out his inside oven measurements were less than the Horizon 3 and that we would need to buy new baking pans. We didn't then try to negotiate any special price with him so I can't say that he would have matched the Horizon 3 price.

As we took all the LPGas out we also bought the Techimpex electric grill which fits perfectly inside our Kumma LPGas s/s frame.
Was fun fitting this, took a few tests to get it inside and are still doing the High Temp Silicone seal. Had to put in a cooling fan to keep the electric switches cool. See Photos. BBQ with lid off.

Bill, I think if you contacted the Techimpex representative "Frederico" that you could get a very good deal for the group. He was relentless in keeping in touch and answering email and queries immediately. 

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martnique



On Monday, May 24, 2021, 8:08:06 AM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jeremy,

I negotiated an Amel Owners Yacht School discount for my clients. It is significant. Every one of my clients that have bought from Gn Espace seems to really like the product. I actually think that they are the best and since ENO was acquired, I am not sure that there is any other choice at any price that provides you with reasonable quality. Frankly, I am surprised that Amel has not moved to GN Espace. It is not only about electric/conductive solutions it is about quality and engineering. You should also check out how the stove and the containers that GN Espace have been engineered.

Posting it here may be viewed as an advertisement for Amel Owners Yacht School. Sometimes I find myself in this "slippery situation." But follow this link: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/gn-espace.html

Let me know if you have any questions. I know the principles of GN Espace and can probably get you any information you need.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:49 AM Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:

Who would be interested in a group buy for the OceanChef3 ?

For owners who already installed it : how much was it ? GN website only mentions a price starting at ~£2000...

Thanks,

J��rémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 00:45, Nicolas Klene via groups.io a écrit :
Perfect ! 
Thanks a lot Denise.
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: New Zealand

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Robert,

I concur with JP...BUT I would think your chances of getting into New Zealand would be almost NIL for the foreseeable future.
There's a flight travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand, but from anywhere else it's almost impossible.
You can't sail here, that's for sure, and for those of us that are here, our tax exemptions have been extended to June 2022
So that should tell you something.....
Where are you ? What Amel do you have?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


locked Re: Q sails operational?

Aktan Temiz
 

Hi Bernard,
I informed them. They had an e-mail/server problem but it was solved. They will answer your mail.
Best regards 

Aktan TEMIZ

+905322965599

SV YAKAMOZ

SM2K #469


smiles bernard via groups.io <smilesbernard@...> şunları yazdı (25 May 2021 12:11):

Hi there folks

Turkey has been in a national lockdown for a few weeks but heard they were emerging from that again last week, however,  I’ve not had any response to emails for a long time now

Does anyone else know if they are operational and if so, if they have managed to ship sails at all recently ?

Many thanks
M






Re: Companionway hatch removal

Gerhard Mueller
 

Of course you can cut and damage the door, but it is far more easier to left the door intact and cut only the inner leg of the U-shaped slider wood at the port side for about 70 centimeters from above with a fine small cutter. After removing, repairing the door and take it back you simply attach the cutten wood piece with same screws. See pictures.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Cook top dimensions

Jérémy Lajotte,
 

Hi Bill,

Yes, I've seen the discount you negociate for your clients... but I'm not (yet?...) :)  So I have to find my way to save some bucks on this... Unless I misunderstood and every members of this forum can use the discount you negociate ?

Jérémy Lajotte
06 74 07 1000
Le 24/05/2021 à 14:07, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Jeremy,

I negotiated an Amel Owners Yacht School discount for my clients. It is significant. Every one of my clients that have bought from Gn Espace seems to really like the product. I actually think that they are the best and since ENO was acquired, I am not sure that there is any other choice at any price that provides you with reasonable quality. Frankly, I am surprised that Amel has not moved to GN Espace. It is not only about electric/conductive solutions it is about quality and engineering. You should also check out how the stove and the containers that GN Espace have been engineered.

Posting it here may be viewed as an advertisement for Amel Owners Yacht School. Sometimes I find myself in this "slippery situation." But follow this link: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/gn-espace.html

Let me know if you have any questions. I know the principles of GN Espace and can probably get you any information you need.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:49 AM Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:

Who would be interested in a group buy for the OceanChef3 ?

For owners who already installed it : how much was it ? GN website only mentions a price starting at ~£2000...

Thanks,

Jérémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 00:45, Nicolas Klene via groups.io a écrit :
Perfect ! 
Thanks a lot Denise.
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Cook top dimensions

Jérémy Lajotte,
 

Hi Barry,

I'm installing a Quattro 8000/200 too. I'm curious about the charging at 170A you mentioned, using the genset. Can't you reach the max 200A ? What genset do you have ?

I have a 6.5KW. Theoretically it should reach 225A at 28.8V. Including some lost, I though the 200A could be achieved with the genset... but I may be wrong. (well 170A is already a very good number ;) )

(Sorry for the off-topic).

Thanks,

Jérémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 22:50, Barry Connor via groups.io a écrit :

Hi again Bill,

Attaching a few photos but will post more and explanation how it all was put together.
The 220V from the Victron now powers completely the 220V panel in the galley. 
The generator and shore power go straight from the Amel installed switching devise through the Victron to only charge the batteries.
The 170amp engine 24V alternator is controlled through a Wakespeed direct to the batteries, I will send you photos of the engine room soon.

I can actually simultaneously charge the batteries from - Generator 170amp + Engine Alternator 120amp + Arch solar panels 20amp + Bimini solar panels 12amp. have actually put in over 300amp at one time.


Very Best

Barry


On May 24, 2021, at 15:26, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Barry,

Yes, I know about the GN Espace cookware and the chicken and the egg, but GN Espace really impresses me.

Please send me photos of your V 8000 install.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

View My Training Calendar


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:10 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I did notice at the time that Gn Espace sold cookware. Did not know this about cooking standards though. Thanks for the info.
Maybe. if the rep had offered new oven trays and baking dishes I would have gone further with him. Just Kidding.

I will try to post very soon our complete experience with the conversion. I actually fitted the Victron Quattro 8000, all is now working as should. 

Very Best

Barry

On Monday, May 24, 2021, 2:42:49 PM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Thanks, Barry.

I will contact him. BTW, the oven and other dimensions on GN Espace are driven by standard dimensions of pans. As far as I know, no other manufacturer of stoves for boats does this.

"These systems have been designed around the Gastronorm standard sizes of containers used in commercial, professional, and catering kitchens. These standards form the building block of GN Espace's integrated systems. The GN Espace stoves and sinks have been designed to transform the galley space into an ergonomic, functional, and significantly safer place to prepare and cook food while at sea."

Gastronorm (GN), sometimes spelled Gastro-Norm, is a European standard for kitchenware tray and container sizes that is commonly seen worldwide in the catering and professional food industry, as well as in certain parts of the high-end consumer market.

So now you know where the "GN" comes from in their name. Big is not always better, but usually perfectly engineered is BEST.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill and All,

When we were looking at electric ovens with induction cooktops the only 2 basic choices were the Ocean Chef 3 from Gn Espace UK and the Horizon 3 from Marine Cookers "Techimpex.tv".
The retail price we found initially was about £4,000 for each from different Marine Suppliers in UK.
We actually spoke to the Techimpex representative in Italy and he gave us a special price of 1,850 euro without tax.

What the main advantage was between the 2 units was that the Horizon 3 had bigger inside width and we could still use the baking trays from our Eno 4 burner gas oven and all S/S pans still fitted on the cook top. The Ocean Chef oven was a smaller width inside and we would have had to buy smaller baking pans. The Horizon 3 as well as the Ocean Chef 3 overall oven is smaller than the old Eno but we have roasted 2 chickens with vegetables. It heats up much faster (200deg in 10min) and holds even temperature constant when set.

We had a lot of back and forth between the 2 companies to get all the exact specifications and measurements. The Ocean Chef rep was disappointed when we pointed out his inside oven measurements were less than the Horizon 3 and that we would need to buy new baking pans. We didn't then try to negotiate any special price with him so I can't say that he would have matched the Horizon 3 price.

As we took all the LPGas out we also bought the Techimpex electric grill which fits perfectly inside our Kumma LPGas s/s frame.
Was fun fitting this, took a few tests to get it inside and are still doing the High Temp Silicone seal. Had to put in a cooling fan to keep the electric switches cool. See Photos. BBQ with lid off.

Bill, I think if you contacted the Techimpex representative "Frederico" that you could get a very good deal for the group. He was relentless in keeping in touch and answering email and queries immediately. 

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martnique



On Monday, May 24, 2021, 8:08:06 AM EDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jeremy,

I negotiated an Amel Owners Yacht School discount for my clients. It is significant. Every one of my clients that have bought from Gn Espace seems to really like the product. I actually think that they are the best and since ENO was acquired, I am not sure that there is any other choice at any price that provides you with reasonable quality. Frankly, I am surprised that Amel has not moved to GN Espace. It is not only about electric/conductive solutions it is about quality and engineering. You should also check out how the stove and the containers that GN Espace have been engineered.

Posting it here may be viewed as an advertisement for Amel Owners Yacht School. Sometimes I find myself in this "slippery situation." But follow this link: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/gn-espace.html

Let me know if you have any questions. I know the principles of GN Espace and can probably get you any information you need.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:49 AM Jérémy Lajotte, <jeremy@...> wrote:

Who would be interested in a group buy for the OceanChef3 ?

For owners who already installed it : how much was it ? GN website only mentions a price starting at ~£2000...

Thanks,

J��rémy
SM#121
Le 24/05/2021 à 00:45, Nicolas Klene via groups.io a écrit :
Perfect ! 
Thanks a lot Denise.
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


locked Q sails operational?

smiles bernard
 

Hi there folks

Turkey has been in a national lockdown for a few weeks but heard they were emerging from that again last week, however, I’ve not had any response to emails for a long time now

Does anyone else know if they are operational and if so, if they have managed to ship sails at all recently ?

Many thanks
M


Re: Companionway hatch removal

william reynolds
 

Two of the pictures were missing. in the post here they are.

Chris in Jolly Harbor is a very good friend and after seeing my door,he will be offering the cut and hinge method in the future
Bill Reynolds
Cloud Street


Re: New Zealand

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Robert,

You might get in if your combined contracts are for many 10’s of thousand. 

Rigging: 2 companies in Opua. NSR. Or my preferred option: NZ Yacht Services. They rigged my boat 8 months ago and the work is perfect. The owner, Paul Smith, rigs nearly all racing boats in the area.. and there are loads of them. Price was very reasonable!!!

Lift out:  Bay of Islands Marina. Either hydraulic trailer or Travelift depending on your size. If you boat is a 64 or 60; it will be hydraulic. 

AntiFoul and Painting: Total Yacht Care

Bow thruster and Cdrive, Winches:  do it yourself. Simple chores!  But if you must, Brian Douglas Marine or Seapower. 

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SV Eleuthera, SM007, Opua




On 25 May 2021, at 12:22, Robert Thomson <yachtmemo@...> wrote:

Thanks for your reply. As far as we can see we need to enter into a contract for the work before being allowed in. Is there any particular yard/company that you could recommend for the variety of work required, rerigging, lift out, antfouling, bowthruster, cdrive, winch service etc.


Re: New Zealand

Robert Thomson
 

Thanks for your reply. As far as we can see we need to enter into a contract for the work before being allowed in. Is there any particular yard/company that you could recommend for the variety of work required, rerigging, lift out, antfouling, bowthruster, cdrive, winch service etc.


Re: New Zealand

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Robert,

We are in Opua since November 2019 and we’ve had considerable work done on our super Maramu. 

To be honest, the work force is very qualified. 

Whangerei is also good as is Auckland... (hence why Kiwis keep winning the America’s Cup) 

However, other than the Marlborough sounds area, the further south you go from Opua The more expensive things get. OPUA IS CHEAPEST. 

Remark: please include your signature,  name and type of Amel and its serial number and location. this allows people to better advise you on your request. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, SV Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 25/05/2021, at 10:06 AM, Robert Thomson <yachtmemo@...> wrote:

We are thinking of trying to get into New Zealand later this year on the basis Memo will need a refit. Can any one recommend New Zealand yards that would have experience of Amel yachts.


New Zealand

Robert Thomson
 

We are thinking of trying to get into New Zealand later this year on the basis Memo will need a refit. Can any one recommend New Zealand yards that would have experience of Amel yachts.

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