Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Patrick McAneny
I do not have a line drawing from the manufacturer.
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This is a drawing that I received from Maud. The insert that was made is identical to this drawing. Pat SM Shenanigans
On May 29, 2021, at 11:15 AM, James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734@...> wrote:
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
James Watkins
It is quite different I am pretty sure it is different. Do you have a die line drawing? Thanks
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From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 2:53 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Jim, Is the rub rail on the Maramu different from the SM ,if not you could use the die already made for SM. Pat SM Shenanigans -----Original Message----- I know this is a SM thread but I have ordered a new rub rail for my Maramu and I too have have had good experience with Technorubber. I will have the die drawings in the next couple of weeks and I will post on site. The die is $600 and rubrail $1,400. I did a very unAmel thing and truly improved the sturdiness of the rubber protection. I will post if anyone is interested. Some contribution to the die would be great but I am doing the new rail regardless.
Best Regards Jim Watkins Act II Maramu Hull 186
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Thanks Pat,
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Patrick McAneny
Jim, Is the rub rail on the Maramu different from the SM ,if not you could use the die already made for SM.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Sat, May 29, 2021 3:24 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails I know this is a SM thread but I have ordered a new rub rail for my Maramu and I too have have had good experience with Technorubber. I will have the die drawings in the next couple of weeks and I will post on site. The die is $600 and rubrail $1,400. I did a very unAmel thing and truly improved the sturdiness of the rubber protection. I will post if anyone is interested. Some contribution to the die would be great but I am doing the new rail regardless.
Best Regards
Jim Watkins
Act II Maramu Hull 186
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 5:47 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails Thanks Pat,
But, it's only fair if we should share in the cost of the die as well somehow! Let's see how many owners that are looking to upgrade their rub rails! Can you tell me the weight of a set of rub rails for a SM? Thanks, Ken Powers Sailing Aquarius SM2K#262
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Patrick McAneny
Ken, You know just this morning ,thinking about the potential for another group buy ,I wished that I had measured the shipping box and weight . I would guess the boxes were 3'x3' ,(each insert come in a separate box) ,I would estimate the weight to be about 35 lbs. each. There may be another owner who has yet to install their inserts and can provide the exact size and weight, if not the manufacturer may have that info. They are very nice people to deal with and will do anything to help and answer questions.
As to the die, I would have to check to see what I paid for it ,about $600 or so, which cost each of us approx. about $54 or so. I am not personally concerned about further reimbursement for the die. Maybe a contribution to the Amel site ,if it is needed?
I would be happy to obtain any further info from the manufacturer if needed.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails Thanks Pat,
But, it's only fair if we should share in the cost of the die as well somehow! Let's see how many owners that are looking to upgrade their rub rails! Can you tell me the weight of a set of rub rails for a SM? Thanks, Ken Powers Sailing Aquarius SM2K#262
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Re: Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs
Our 54 has the twin headsail downwind option. It has the custom forestay foil with three grooves and the swivel with the latching system. We have two whisker poles which are huge and heavy. One is mounted at the mast and the second one is on deck. They are a pig to handle.
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
James Watkins
I know this is a SM thread but I have ordered a new rub rail for my Maramu and I too have have had good experience with Technorubber. I will have the die drawings in the next couple of weeks and I will post on site. The die is $600 and rubrail $1,400. I did a very unAmel thing and truly improved the sturdiness of the rubber protection. I will post if anyone is interested. Some contribution to the die would be great but I am doing the new rail regardless.
Best Regards Jim Watkins Act II Maramu Hull 186
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 5:47 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Thanks Pat,
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Hi Ken, we would be happy to buy a set, made enquiries last time. Shipping costs to Australia were not viable.
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So we are a maybe, once we know what it takes to get them to Australia. Ours are still in good shape. But we will be doing a topside rejuvenation in the next few years, so they would be great to have ready.
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Thanks Pat,
But, it's only fair if we should share in the cost of the die as well somehow! Let's see how many owners that are looking to upgrade their rub rails! Can you tell me the weight of a set of rub rails for a SM? Thanks, Ken Powers Sailing Aquarius SM2K#262
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Re: Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs
Two down wind poles are available for the 54 and can be sailed as the supermaramu
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Cheers Courtney 54#101
On May 28, 2021, at 5:36 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs
Twin poles was an option for the A54. Some 54s have a twin pole ballooner option, but not many. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
As a prospective buyer of an Amel I am so appreciative of the information on this forum, reading the forum messages provides a superb education unavailable elsewhere. I have recently been reading "Heavy Weather Sailing" and my obsession with the Amel approach to boat design and build has been further reinforced!
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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Patrick McAneny
Ken, you would not need that many to make it financially attractive, I paid for the die to be made up front, and then each owner that joined into the purchase reimbursed me their share of the expense of the die, about $600-$700. We had about eleven in the initial purchase and it was a good value , it would even be a better value for the next group as they would not be paying the cost of having the die made. That is why I was encouraging owners to join ,as each additional buyer brought down the price for everyone.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Thu, May 27, 2021 10:07 pm Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails For those Amel Owners who would like to procure new Rub Rails within the next 6 months:
Add your name to the list. If we can get about 15 boats, we will move forward with the purchase. 1. Aquarius, Ken Powers 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. Sailing Aquarius SM2K#262 Currently in Thailand
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Downwind sailing on Amel 54 and storm jibs
Paul Harries
As a prospective buyer of an Amel I am so appreciative of the information on this forum, reading the forum messages provides a superb education unavailable elsewhere. I have recently been reading "Heavy Weather Sailing" and my obsession with the Amel approach to boat design and build has been further reinforced!
I do have a couple of questions I cant find answers to though: I am unable to find anything on the internet regarding downwind sailing on the 54s, I gather unlike the Super Maramou it is not possible to fly true twin headsails, but the 54 is Spinnaker ready and has an inner forestay with furling staysail. Does this setup work as well downwind as the Super Maramou? Does the 54 rock more than the Super Maramou on prolonged downwind passages? Has anyone done a video on 54 sail utilization? Do any of you carry storm jibs? Any problems with jibs unfurling in heavy weather on either a 54 or super Maramou? Thank you -- Paul Harries Prospective Amel Buyer
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Shower water mixer on SuperMaramu
smnefeli
I am away from Nefeli right now and cannot take the measure myself.
Can anybody check the diameter of the hole that hosts the shower water mixer on the SuperMaramu? Any help wiil be appreciated. Fernando s/y Nefeli SM 38
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Re: Security Alarm system)Anxhor Alarm
Billy Newport
I looked at a GOST system last year for my old boat but at 14k installed, I stopped looking. I just self installed a Ring security alarm on my Amel 55. A spotlight battery wifi camera in the cockpit looking AFT, a contact sensor on the rear lazerrete and cockpit door and then PIR motion sensors in fwd cabin, main cabin and captain berth (easier than hatch contact switches). It's a pretty clean install, all wireless, sirens are inside on the base unit and the spotlight camera. I mean, it works and works offline but for video snapshots you'd need an LTE hotspot type thing which is what I do. For 500 bucks, not bad.
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Re: Installing rub rail inserts
Hi Darren & Karen (how alliterative ;-) and any others interested in replacement rubber rub rail inserts.
You're right - these are not Stainless rub rails. These are replacements for the original brown rubber inserts that go the full length of the FRP Rub Rails and which over the years take on a nasty chalky brown that cannot be restored effectively. Pat McEnery on Shenanigans found a Miami, FL manufacturer of extruded rubber products (like dinghy rub rails and dock bumpers) and sent them a section of his old insert from which they made an extrusion die and several of us ordered our replacements, sharing the cost of the die. The product was excellent and was an off-white instead of the original brown. So far it seems not to be prone to UV deterioration and looks great. See my previous posts for the direct contact with the company - they do ship internationally, although I do not know the cost. Mine were $890US (no shipping charge as I picked them up at the factory) and I only needed 88 feet, being a SN not a SM. Your cost would be somewhat more, of course. This is a small family business which I found very creditable after visiting the factory. The contact person, Paula Murador (the owners daughter) is most helpful and can certainly walk you through a purchase. I think she would like to get several orders together and then offer a group discount, but you need to contact her directly. Here's her contact info: Paula Murador Director, Account Manager Fax:(305)888-6325 -- Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails
Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
For those Amel Owners who would like to procure new Rub Rails within the next 6 months:
Add your name to the list. If we can get about 15 boats, we will move forward with the purchase. 1. Aquarius, Ken Powers 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. Sailing Aquarius SM2K#262 Currently in Thailand
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Re: Installing rub rail inserts
Darren Moore
Hi Craig,
I am new to the SM and are wondering what these rub rail inserts are? and what costs are involved I looked in the photo's section under rub rail and found some Stainless rub rails, but I don't think that is what you are talking about -- Darren & Karen SM171 Tradewinds III Tasmania, Australia
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Re: New Zealand
David Vogel
Greetings all,
Yes, the maritime border to NZ is closed. But it is possible to apply for and be granted an exception to arrive in NZ via sea. We have done so. You can make the application the relevant authorities yourself, at no cost to lodge, but increased uncertainty as to the outcome. Or you can engage an agent who has processed applications into the system before = greater certainty. We used an agent. Cost was a one-off agent’s fee of USD650- to do so. The time was 4 weeks to complete the paperwork in coordination with the Agent. Then, once the (32-page) application was submitted, it took three weeks to be granted the exemption. The exemption does not have an expiry date on it; but your application paperwork does have time-and-cost elements as a component of the committed work schedule/s, so the timing is inherent in the approval. Apart from humanitarian / compassionate grounds, the only grounds for approval with be on the basis of delivering Economic Benefit to NZ. There are only two main reasons that will be considered in support of an application for exemption. 1. Delivering your boat to a business (e.g. for sale); or 2. Major refit, repairs, &/or refurbishment. We used the term “significant programme of repairs & refurbishment” to support our application. There is no exact defined figure for economic benefit, but (based on seeing who got approved, and who not) the baseline amount before your application will be considered is NZD50k. Marina fees, yards fees, part & paid labour, and project management fees may be included. Costs incurred by crew (such as food, accommodation, lodging, land-travel, or consuming copious quantities of great Kiwi wine) are not. To start with, we baulked at that amount. But, upon reflection, we realised that, by the time we get to NZ, we will have been sailing more-or-less constantly for almost 5 years. And so it will be high time to take some time-out, pause and find a base from where to attend to those many items of repairs and maintenance (“The List”) that cannot be so easily done in remote areas, or while there is an imperative to keep the boat in one piece and in a seaworthy condition (meaning, available to move to avoid adverse seasonal weather – i.e. the cyclone season in the South Pacific). So, I totalled up all of those items of repairs & maintenance (including planned upgrades), and were able to easily exceed the NZ$50k threshold amount. It is also made easier to swallow, considering that we plan to be in NZ for 18 months, and additional items of repairs & maintenance will naturally arise within that timeframe. When you consider the difficulty in getting *quality* work done in many other places, especially whilst on-the-move, the lure of NZ is undeniable. And if we are going to do the work in any case, then the cost is really not so much of an issue. Compare this to the rule-of-thumb, 5 to 10% of the value of the boat on R&M in any one year, spread over two years, with guaranteed quality, then it becomes a much easier decision. All that said, we plan to travel from French Polynesia to Fiji, before heading southwards to NZ. Things are very changeable out here at the moment, with Fiji closing up a little more this past week, so another season in FP may become a necessity. The list of R&M won’t get any shorter … Hope this information helps inform the debate. And thanks to those providing recommendations for vendors and suppliers in NZ – very much appreciated. David Perigee, SM#396 On the dock attending to turbo issues Papeete Marina, Tahiti From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Thomson <yachtmemo@gmail.com> Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Date: Monday, 24 May 2021 at 11:27 am To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New Zealand We are thinking of trying to get into New Zealand later this year on the basis Memo will need a refit. Can any one recommend New Zealand yards that would have experience of Amel yachts.
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Re: House Bank vs. Engine Start
Kent,
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Thanks I will reach out to him, it’s not too far for a day sail. Best, Mark and Jennifer S/V It’s Good SM #105
On May 24, 2021, at 3:41 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: Short poles length
Roy Zakheym
Thanks bill Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 5/27/21 16:01 (GMT+02:00) To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Short poles length According to Tim Melbourne, SM2k owner: Length of aluminum tube (w/o ends): 73.50" Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html Hi Amelians
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