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Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails

EricOpdeweegh
 

Price sounds fine. 

Is there anyone else in the group who has some more photos what it looks like finished completely.
Some photo’s from a distance maybe?

rgrds 
Eric
sv ABAYOMI SM 158
currently in Italy sailing soon for the Azores 


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Jose Venegas
 

Ken,

I am not sure that we have been on the same page. I appreciate that you are trying to describe the process with fool prof detail, but I don’t appreciate the way you have approached me regarding your questions. I will be happy if you contact me privately and clarify the issues that I have already described twice in this string and twice more in the previous string. As I said, I mounted “the Jose” seals (two of them in series); The wiper and the lip seal, and I stated that I thought the order on which they were mounted may not affect much the result.

Again, your interpretation of how I installed the seals is wrong.
I mounted them in the order that can be seen from the picture I appended, First the lip seal and then the wiper on top of it. In fact it is more like in the seal replacement 2 but there you are missing the wiper seal on top of the lip seal. NOTE that the lip seal height is exactly the depth of the cavity, and thus the once the wiper is mounted it will protrude out a few millimeters but, because it is glued the upper surface of the lip seal. it remains solidly attached to it. One alternative approach that may also work is to glue both seals before mounting them.

Once mounted this way, the “lips” of both seals face down and are abut 2 millimeters apart. Also, the combined seal is pretty solid supporting side motions of the trunk.

If you mount the wiper first, it has a height that fills 1/2 the depth of the cavity and its lip extends below the surface of it. This leaves 1/2 of the depth to insert the lip seal and glue it to both the upper surface of the wiper and 1/2 the hight of the side wall of the cavity which will be more than enough.

Now if you want to know what I think, this order of mounting the seals (first the the wiper and then the lip seal) leaves the “lips" of both seals separated vertically by about one centimeter, and the combined seal provides less stiffness supporting side motions of the trunk. The could be better in terms of reducing the friction between the seals and the trunk, perhaps increasing its life span, but I am not sure whether over time the lack of lateral support will be better at preventing water intake.

One thing I know: I still have the same set I ordered originally, mounted in the order I described, and after 4 years I have had no water intake.

I do remember that someone had problems inserting back the trunk because he had not used the wood tool, and that may have damaged the lips of the seals or even partially dislodged them. I am not sure if that person was Steve, but that would explain the initial failure.

Jose
Ipanema SM 2K 278
Currently in Cartagena Colombia


BT Seal Source

david bruce
 

For those that could not open the zip file i sent in a message recently, here is a screenshot of the details and contact information i received from Jose and successfully used to order the seals, which was a very smooth transaction, 20 piece minimum as Ken said.   IMO since there is no volume discount, it would seem to make sense to work in small groups to order and distribute the seals, using Venmo or similar to send/receive payment for seals and shipping charge, thus taking the load off Ken.  

Best
Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006




Re: BT seals

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Fred,

Here are the specs for the silicone. I am sure there could be a better material but this is the one I used.

https://www.sspseals.com/materials/vinyl-methyl-silicone-rubber


Re: BT seals

Jose Venegas
 

Dear Fred,
These are the characteristics of the seals I ordered from SSP in 2019.  It looks like they have increased a little bit the price but not much.

I am sure you can find a manufacturar in europe or Asia that would make something similar.

You can go to their website and find out more about the materials they use. 

Jose

10 pcs. Silicone wiper 59.5 x 80 x 4/12 =$ 31.65ea.
20 pcs.                          ditto                          =$ 29.75ea.
 
10 pcs. Silicone u-cup 59.5 x 80 x 12 = $ 32.50ea.
20 pcs.                          ditto                     =  $ 30 75ea.
Will need 14-17 business days to ship.      
 
Ray Romanick
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SSP Manufacturing Inc.
83 Spring Lane
Hackettstown, NJ 07840
Phone: 908-852-3125
Fax: 908-852-3425
1-888-238-SEAL
Web Page:www.sspseals.com


Re: Lofran windlass electro motor

Olaf Bauer
 

Hi Slavko,

 

Normally you can get them in (almost) every marine shop. I bought mine over there.

 

But you can also make a research on Amazon with the keywords “marine button rubber”. You will find some 😉

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic
Sent: Sonntag, 6. Juni 2021 03:21
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofran windlass electro motor

 

I got new motor and replacement was easy and massy. But it work now perfectly. One more question.  I would need to replace push button that is on the windlass itself. Any idea where I can order? I searched internet but no success.
Adding some photos.... 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Lofran windlass electro motor

Hans Schaidinger
 

Hello Slavko,

last year I ordered the push buttons direct at amel service in Hyeres, good qualitiy and works perfect!

 

Cordially

Hans

SM2K #411 ALADEMAR Rogoznica

 

Von: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Slavko Despotovic
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Juni 2021 09:21
An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Lofran windlass electro motor

 

I got new motor and replacement was easy and massy. But it work now perfectly. One more question.  I would need to replace push button that is on the windlass itself. Any idea where I can order? I searched internet but no success.
Adding some photos.... 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: 32mm 1 1/4" Bronze Ball Valves - USA

 



Consider using a valve that includes a grease zerk fitting for lubrication: GROCO Bronze Valve
IBV-1250 BSPP: https://www.groco.net/products/valves-seacocks/inline-valves/ibv-series-bspp-thread/ibv-1250-bspp

This bronze valve has 1-1/4" female BSPP threads which will require pipe thread sealant. More:
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 6:37 AM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Mark,

I just replaced the ball valve in my forward head.  Believe it or not, but I got mine on Walmart.com.  Do a google search for "IBV-1250BSPP" which is Groco's part number for this valve and you will find several sources for it.  Defender will also special order it for you from Groco but it takes awhile.  They will do that for most of the manufacturer's they carry.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: 32mm 1 1/4" Bronze Ball Valves - USA

Mark McGovern
 

Mark,

I just replaced the ball valve in my forward head.  Believe it or not, but I got mine on Walmart.com.  Do a google search for "IBV-1250BSPP" which is Groco's part number for this valve and you will find several sources for it.  Defender will also special order it for you from Groco but it takes awhile.  They will do that for most of the manufacturer's they carry.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Lofran windlass electro motor

Slavko Despotovic
 

I got new motor and replacement was easy and massy. But it work now perfectly. One more question.  I would need to replace push button that is on the windlass itself. Any idea where I can order? I searched internet but no success.
Adding some photos.... 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

I believe that the cost will be about $1000, and as I understand it, each Rub Rail weighs about 35 Lbs.  Shipping cost TBD.  The factory is in Florida.

Photo of an installed section attached.
Outline of the Dye attached.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


BT SEALS Aquarius

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

To All,

I think the Previous Topic has become too large.  The interest in the Jose designed Seals is a bit overwhelming.  I have already placed a PO for 20 sets, and paid for the 20 pieces.  To this point 13 have been paid for in my Paypal Account.

Ken (me) - 2
Taun - 5
Nick - 2
Michelle Day -2
Ian Bone - 2
Total - 13

7 remaining to sell..

Eric in the EU has said he will purchase 2 sets, but I have not received the payment.  Not that I really want to deliver to the EU, but I am going back to Lithuania late July and can ship from there.

If you would like these Seals in July:
 1. Send and email to my Ken@... email saying you want X number.
 2. I will send you an email back with availability and my PayPal Account details.
 3. You pay, and include the address where to ship in the Paypal system.
 4. I send you an email that you have paid, and delivery information.
 5. I ship seals to you.

Before they ship the Instructions for Installation will be complete.  And, I think there should be a Teflon Cap designed to make sure
everything stays in place.  The installation would be difficult to screw up if a properly designed Teflon Cap was installed.

For those of you thinking this is a money making opportunity, it's not.

Cost of goods - $71.50
Cost of Shipping to me - $? But could be about $3 each
Cost of Paypal - $4
Cost of Shipping to you - $5 - $20
Lust so you know.

I do want to sell the remaining 7 and get them off my credit card.  

All the best,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: BT seals

scentstone
 

Hi Jose and Ken,

Looking at the issue I was seeing coming about managing the orders, payments and delivery I would like to know if Jose can share with me (us) the drawing and details about the silicone quality (and hardness) used for the working BT seals. Then I'll try to find here in France a manufacturer and make the seals available at least for European owners.

Of course, it can be perfectly understandable that it's not possible if there's any intellectual property rights attached to the design.

Kind regards

Fred S/V ScentStone

SM2K #375


BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Here are the instructions as I understand them.  There still may need to be some changes for the final draft. 

Steve Davis and Jose should give their thoughts before I would say the instruction set is complete.

Option 1). This is how Jose installed the New Silicone Lip-Seals.  And Jose wrote that there should be not problem with the Wiper becoming detached.
Option 2). This is how I understand that Steve Davis installed the Seals for the second time.  He tried Option 1 and had problems.  He has sailed 4000 miles without any hint of water intrusion.

I would lean toward Option 2 because there is more surface area of the upper Lip Seal in contact with the wall of the Lip Seal Cavity.  For this reason I believe Option 2 to be a superior installation.

BUT, If my experiment with a machined Teflon Bow Thruster Seal Cap is successful, Option 1 with the cap would be the ultimate solution!

Steve and Jose should chime in.  This thread should only be used for preparation of the BT Seal Instruction Set.

Thanks,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
In Thailand aboard SM2K#262


32mm 1 1/4" Bronze Ball Valves - USA

Mark Erdos
 

Hi all,

 

Does anyone have a source for a bronze 32mm / 1 ¼” ball valve with BSP threads in the USA?

 

Bronze ball valve fabricated with a high copper content, so that these bronze fittings function ideally in areas below the surface.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: BT seals

william reynolds
 

Please put Cloudstreet on the list for  2 sets
Bill Reynolds
Cloudstreet SM2K 331
Martinique


Re: sv ABAYOMI #cal-notice

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Eric & Els

 

Congratulations to your new Boat. You have purchased the best Super Maramu I know!

I know NATHAPE quite well, and I know Nathalie & Hanspeter how they looked after her beloved AMEL.

 

Best regards

 

Ruedi Waldispuehl

WASABI A54. #55

Currently close to Cartagena (ES)

 

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Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 um 12:24
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Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] sv ABAYOMI #cal-notice

 

Dear Amalians,

Happy Days!!! 

We were always convinced there is only one type of boat to circumnavigate this blue planet comfortably and safely! A boat designed by Henry Amel himself!
It appears we were not the only one who had come to that conclusion:)

After Months of seaching and beleaving the right boat would cross out pads we can anounce 

We have become the proud and new owners of the Amel Super Maramu hull no 158.
The yacht, formerly known as NATHAPE after the exceptional nice and dear previous owners Nathalie & Hanspeter will be baptized soon as sv ABAYOMI

Abayomi: Bringer of happiness; Born to Bring Joy

We feel humble and proud to be part of this extra ordinairy group of Sailors.

Our great thanks also to Bill Rouse for his great effort, excellent advise and assistance in the purchase.

Hope to meet you one day somewhere on this beautifull blue planet.

Happy Sailing to all,

Eric & Els Opdeweegh
sv Abayomi
Hull 158  
Soon sailing from Italy through the Med to the Azores and The Netherlands


Re: BT seals

Nicolas Klene
 

Hi Ken
Could we have the address if the manufacturer to order ourselves and save you the trouble ?
thanks Ken
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: BT seals

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Hello All,

 

The appetite for the Jose designed seals was completely unexpected.  

 

Currently I have ordered 20 pieces at $70.50 per set not including shipping.  I don’t expect the shipping on these seals to be expensive being they weigh next to nothing.  The delivery is 3 weeks.  They should arrive in Vegas by the end of June.  I will have 18 pieces to sell from this batch.

 

The current requirement for these seals is about 75 sets, and I guess it sez a lot about the Jose designed seals.

 

I asked the manufacturer if there would be a price break for higher quantities.  The answer was “$70.50 is as low as they will go”, and they said that “the quantity does not matter. The price and the delivery are almost completely due to the material.”

 

Thus, anyone can order 20 pieces and get the same price.  I don’t want to afford to order 80 pieces at $71 each, or $5600.  It would be a very large pain in the Ass as one person wrote.

 

 

There is one problem with these seals.  I have corresponded with two people that have installed these lip seals.  Both failed at the first attempt, and the $81 set of seals were scrapped.  This is not acceptable, and the reason why was because there was no instructions on how to install them properly.   One person that failed at the first attempt, installed the 2nd set upside down, which might be the best way to install them.  Then he sailed 4000 miles without any hint of water leakage.  There needs to be clear and concise instructions available to anyone that buys these seals.

 

Here is what I will do.

 

  1. I will take down all the information about installation, and put together a set of clear instructions that should work for all of us.
  2. The first people that Pay the $81 for each set plus $15 shipping and handling for US delivery will get the remaining 18 units. 

 

Send me an email to ken@..., I will tell you how many are left, and you can send the payment via PayPal.  I will message the group when all have sold.

 

I will post my installation instructions as a message for more discussion with the group. 

 

Thanks,

 

Ken Powers

Aquarius

SM2K#262

 


Event: ZOOM Meeting with Bill Rouse Presenting what he offers Amel Owners and Amel Buyers - 06/05/2021 #cal-reminder

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Reminder: ZOOM Meeting with Bill Rouse Presenting what he offers Amel Owners and Amel Buyers

When:
06/05/2021
20:00 to 21:00
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Where:
Galveston, TX

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@... +18323806969

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:

Note Date Change: As most of you know Tilo Peters, a group member does an amazing job hosting our zoom meetings. He had a conflict with 25 May. Our meeting date has changed to 5 June. I hope that this does not conflict with any attendees' schedules.

 

This ZOOM Meeting will be presented by me, Bill Rouse. This meeting will be for Group Members interested in buying an Amel and Amel Owners wanting more information about their Amels. I will have a special gift for all of those attending the meeting:

I will review all of the things that I offer Amel Buyers and Amel Owners including: 

·       The Amel Book

·       Pre-Purchase Consulting

·       Training Courses

·       24/7 Support

·       The Online Amel Book 

All those that RSVP and attend will receive 30 days of free access to my new Online Amel Book. To receive this, you must RSVP regardless of whether you will attend via Zoom or YouTube. Access instructions and your password to the Online Amel Book will be emailed to each RSVP’d member after the meeting is completed. Access to the Online Amel Book is timely as many of you will be returning to sailing in the coming months. Also, included with access to the Online Amel Book is 30 days of free access to Amel Book Supplements, which if printed would be 20,000 pages. 


Time: June 05, 2021 20:00 GMT

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