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Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Slavko Despotovic
 

Just in case you have not see it. This is video from SVDelos I found this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEtGRuJiD0--

Slavko

SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: For those that missed the first procurement of Rub Rails

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

I really want to buy these Rub Rails.  Hopefully we can round up 5 or more owners to complete the order for 10 rub rail sets.

Best to the Group,

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: 32mm 1 1/4" Bronze Ball Valves - USA

karkauai
 

Good to know, Mark and Bill.

I just replaced the thru hull ball valve for the forward head.  It was a bear to remove, mostly because of poor access and it had an Octagonal place to put a wrench on it.  The flats were so small that I couldn't get a Crescent wrench to hold.  I ordered a 1 1/4 " 8-point socket, but it was too big. I then ordered a 1 1/8" 8-point socket from McMaster Carr. It came in 24 hours, and voila!  With a 10" extension and a bit of sweat, it came right off.  The new ones I ordered have a hex configuration, so normal 6-point socket works.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: BT SEALS Aquarius

karkauai
 

Has anyone started a new list of owners wanting these seals?
Has anyone asked the manufacturer if we can contact them individually, rather than doing a single large order?

Thanks,
Kent & Iris
SM243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Members removed because their email no longer is working

michael winand
 

Yahoo  had a auto spam issue that blocked the sender. 
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 12:37 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
I had to remove about 50 members this morning because their email was bouncing or not working.

If you received this email, obviously you are NOT removed.

FYI, they were all Yahoo email addresses except one.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Jose Venegas
 

Ken,

I want to make sure it is clear that this IS NOT my project. More importantly, I have no ego about this and was happy to share my finding with the Amel community.

When I found that the silicone seals worked for me more that a year, after I had struggled with water intake for several years in spite of changing the standard seals several times and, because I was planning to start my cruising life, I decided to order a couple more for me and I posted it in our website to see if any body was interested to I order a few in that batch. After I had a few more people than expected (not as many as you had), I realized as you did that this project was going to take a lot more effort and time in my part that I had thought. However, I still ordered the first batch but I promised to myself that the next batch would be ordered by someone else.
At that time, several people asked me how to install them and I did my best to remember how I had done more than a year before. I am a retired engineer and I took a lot of the steps for granted. I was only after several owners asked my about details of how to instal them that I realized that it was not as simple as it had appeared to me. I also realized that I had missed the point of using the wood device provided by Amel which was key to prevent damaging the seals during installation. I also realized that the order in which the seals were mounted did not seem to matter much since both allow the two seals to work.

Now, in my pre-cruising times I was a scientist and thus I am not willing to make statements which are not proven by experimentation. I know the order I used more than 4 years ago would work fine but it was still possible that the alternative order would work equally well. In fact after receiving the second batch I realized that there were variations in the actual dimensions of the different seals, not something that would affect the sealing action of them, but they could affect the gluing of the two seals together because a small gap could be created between the lip seal and the wiper surfaces that needed to be glued together. Because such difference in dimensions was small, I figured that adding some weight (HOW MUCH, I don’t know, it depends of how much was needed), to close the gap between the two surfaces.

You see Ken, life is not always black and white.

The alternative order does not have that issue but, as I mentioned in a previous post it does not create as much lateral stiffness on the trunk. SO, IT MAY be that the alternative order may work better or worse. ONLY TIME WILL TELL US.

To finish, please don’t think that this is MY project. It is something that I found worked for me and I was happy to share with the Amel community, as I know you do every time you find something that works for you.
I hope we will have the chance to enjoy sundowners some where around the world.

Jose.


Re: Removing mold/mildew from helm seat

 

I recommend Microban, but do not know if you can get it there. As you know the Houston Galveston area has had its share of floods. Everyone I know used Microban on everything that got wet, including the 2x4 studs in houses...nobody had mold. Several of my clients have used Microban on all sorts of modl problems with success.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 2:15 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Hi all,

We just returned to Tengah after our longest period away: 4 months.

We had some mold on the helm seat and was wondering if anyone has ideas on how to remove it. I have seen recs to use diluted vinegar or even straight rubbing alcohol or diluted bleach. Any thoughts or experiences? See photo attached.

Overall, the boat is in great shape. We flushed the entire seawater circuit with fresh water. The Volvo engine started right up and my strategy to have the 220V electric dehumidifier run between 70-100% SOC (controlled by Victron BMV-712 and Quattro assistants) worked perfectly and kept the lithium batteries from sitting at the damaging 100% SOC level and also kept the boat completely dry inside despite being at the wettest location in Tahiti. I can expand on this if others have a Victron based system and want to implement something similar when they leave the boat.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Removing mold/mildew from helm seat

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Scott;

 

Anything with bleach will be effective on mildew/mold. I would star with regular house bleach diluted at a ratio of 10 to 1 and work your way until it is effective. I would try it in an inconspicuous place on the seat first, to be sure it does not negatively affect the fabric.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 12:15 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Removing mold/mildew from helm seat

 

Hi all,

We just returned to Tengah after our longest period away: 4 months.

We had some mold on the helm seat and was wondering if anyone has ideas on how to remove it. I have seen recs to use diluted vinegar or even straight rubbing alcohol or diluted bleach. Any thoughts or experiences? See photo attached.

Overall, the boat is in great shape. We flushed the entire seawater circuit with fresh water. The Volvo engine started right up and my strategy to have the 220V electric dehumidifier run between 70-100% SOC (controlled by Victron BMV-712 and Quattro assistants) worked perfectly and kept the lithium batteries from sitting at the damaging 100% SOC level and also kept the boat completely dry inside despite being at the wettest location in Tahiti. I can expand on this if others have a Victron based system and want to implement something similar when they leave the boat.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks Danny. Did you replace the seals with the gearbox in place above the pilot birth or did you remove it so you could do the work in the more humane position? If removed what did you get into in separating the below deck assembly from the above deck assembly?
Mike
Aletes SM240
Chesapeake

On Jun 7, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Mike. warning warning warning. The small amount of oil will multiply if you don't deal with the cause. When it multiplies the resulting shorting will do very nasty things to your motor. I had to replace mine. The gearbox is oil filled. You need to separate the motor from the gearbox and replace the lip seal. I did the job on both winches. Not difficult. I took the side plate off the gearbox that the seal is located in and pressed it out. Easier than trying to hook it out. An aside. I was astounded when I needed the new motor. Lewmar in Auckland New Zealand had the identical unit on the shelf.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2021 at 07:16 "Mike Ondra via groups.io" <mdondra@...> wrote:

I couldn’t help myself.  Pulled the motor apart. Indeed there are four brushes. Here’s some pics for anyone who’s interested. Small amount of oil in the bottom of the motor housing that dripped out when the bottom bolt was extracted. Didn’t seem to be enough to impede anything electrical.
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On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

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It would appear that removing to service the motor/gearbox assembly for the winch may be challenging. I am reticent to disturb the bedding and other sealant damages that could occur with removal when I’m not certain that there is a problem in the first place.. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It just doesn’t sound quite right.
There are some drops of oil on the bottom of the gearbox which are some concern. But no evidence of drips below the gearbox on the headliner. Does anyone know if there are brushes in this motor? 
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On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


 


 


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike. warning warning warning. The small amount of oil will multiply if you don't deal with the cause. When it multiplies the resulting shorting will do very nasty things to your motor. I had to replace mine. The gearbox is oil filled. You need to separate the motor from the gearbox and replace the lip seal. I did the job on both winches. Not difficult. I took the side plate off the gearbox that the seal is located in and pressed it out. Easier than trying to hook it out. An aside. I was astounded when I needed the new motor. Lewmar in Auckland New Zealand had the identical unit on the shelf.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2021 at 07:16 "Mike Ondra via groups.io" <mdondra@...> wrote:

I couldn’t help myself.  Pulled the motor apart. Indeed there are four brushes. Here’s some pics for anyone who’s interested. Small amount of oil in the bottom of the motor housing that dripped out when the bottom bolt was extracted. Didn’t seem to be enough to impede anything electrical.

 

On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

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It would appear that removing to service the motor/gearbox assembly for the winch may be challenging. I am reticent to disturb the bedding and other sealant damages that could occur with removal when I’m not certain that there is a problem in the first place.. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It just doesn’t sound quite right.
There are some drops of oil on the bottom of the gearbox which are some concern. But no evidence of drips below the gearbox on the headliner. Does anyone know if there are brushes in this motor? 
<image3.jpeg>

 

On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


 


 


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Mike Ondra
 

I couldn’t help myself.  Pulled the motor apart. Indeed there are four brushes. Here’s some pics for anyone who’s interested. Small amount of oil in the bottom of the motor housing that dripped out when the bottom bolt was extracted. Didn’t seem to be enough to impede anything electrical.


On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:


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<image2.jpeg>


It would appear that removing to service the motor/gearbox assembly for the winch may be challenging. I am reticent to disturb the bedding and other sealant damages that could occur with removal when I’m not certain that there is a problem in the first place.. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It just doesn’t sound quite right.
There are some drops of oil on the bottom of the gearbox which are some concern. But no evidence of drips below the gearbox on the headliner. Does anyone know if there are brushes in this motor? 
<image3.jpeg>


On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:



Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: Cook top dimensions

Barry Connor
 

Hi Peter,

From the Quattro 8000 we supply directly to the 220v circuit board and have a completely separate cable/lead to the “Horizon 3” Oven with 3 Induction Hot Plates. Both cables/leads have separate fuses, we do have the oven and hot plates on at the same time. The only change to the 220v circuit board is that no power comes to this circuit board from the AMEL fitted transfer switch “Shore Power or Onan Generator”. This goes straight to the Quattro 8000 for battery charging. We are using the 100Amp charger breaker/switch “top left on the circuit board” for  the electric BBQ. We have not yet maxed out the Quattro 8000. All 220v appliances are now running from the 600 amps of  lithium  batteries through the Quattro 8000.
Generator runs every day as our Solar is max at 900w, this is being upgraded and increased to over 2000w with new stern arch solar panels and new rigid Bimini with solid solar panels (no more flexible solar panels).
As we are running the generator more we have diverted the hot water heating hoses from the Volvo engine to the generator. Hotter water than any element can do, we never use the water heater element now. Just 30 minutes each day on the generator gives boiling  water that lasts 1 day.
Hope this helps.
Very Best 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 7, 2021, at 11:20, Peter Tiner <peter.tiner@...> wrote:

Hi

May i put some questions to you who have already installed an inductive cooker?
Re electric installation, did you get a connected load of 4.5KW or are you planning to not use full power ie several plates/oven at the same time? And one more question: did you take power from the 240VAC panel or from somewhere else?

Best regards

\Peter Tinér @ sy Maiken A54 #52


Removing mold/mildew from helm seat

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

We just returned to Tengah after our longest period away: 4 months.

We had some mold on the helm seat and was wondering if anyone has ideas on how to remove it. I have seen recs to use diluted vinegar or even straight rubbing alcohol or diluted bleach. Any thoughts or experiences? See photo attached.

Overall, the boat is in great shape. We flushed the entire seawater circuit with fresh water. The Volvo engine started right up and my strategy to have the 220V electric dehumidifier run between 70-100% SOC (controlled by Victron BMV-712 and Quattro assistants) worked perfectly and kept the lithium batteries from sitting at the damaging 100% SOC level and also kept the boat completely dry inside despite being at the wettest location in Tahiti. I can expand on this if others have a Victron based system and want to implement something similar when they leave the boat.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Mike Ondra
 



It would appear that removing to service the motor/gearbox assembly for the winch may be challenging. I am reticent to disturb the bedding and other sealant damages that could occur with removal when I’m not certain that there is a problem in the first place.. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It just doesn’t sound quite right.
There are some drops of oil on the bottom of the gearbox which are some concern. But no evidence of drips below the gearbox on the headliner. Does anyone know if there are brushes in this motor? 


On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:



Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

 

Ken,

That is not what I said to you in the email I sent you. I said, 
"...I will always work to document something new for my clients. That is what I do for them. Additionally, I too failed to install these seals on a client's SM based on what Jose originally published.

The instructions document I emailed you yesterday was finalized only hours before you received it from me.

In documenting this install procedure, I went to Jose who was the designer of the seals, and to Steve, who was my first client to successfully install them. After some back and forth from each of these, we finalized the document I shared with you indicating that you could share it. I could have shared it with everyone in the group, but I didn't do that because you took the lead on this and I didn't want to minimize your effort or step on your effort.

Regarding [your term Bill Rouse's] "secrets," I routinely share the things in my Amel Book and on my website when I recognize a need. Obviously, I normally do not normally share all 400 pages of my Amel Book, but yesterday I gave 30 days free access to the entire book and the 3 gigs of Amel Book Supplements to all who attended the zoom meeting...

Please let me know if you have any other questions, and thanks for all you do for other Amel owners."

For all that want a copy of what I did with Jose and Steve, here is the copy I sent to Ken.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 12:45 PM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
I am finished with this topic.  Bill has some instructions that he may, or may not, share with the rest of the group.  After Bill and I exchanged a few emails, I have decided that it's not my place to get involved in Jose's and Bill's project.   I will do the best I can to prepare a set of instructions to those that purchased these seals through me.

All the best, 

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

 

My opinion:
The engine exhaust hose should be Shieldsflex II 3” wet exhaust hose. http://www.seastarsolutions.com/products/hose/engine-hose/series250/
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 12:14 PM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good day all,

I have searched the forum but have not found what I am looking for.

I want to replace the Yanmar exhaust hose but there are so many options with regard to manufacturers and materials that I find it difficult for me to select an appropriate replacement product.

I was hoping that those who have done this before or have the knowledge I don’t posses could make some recommendations regarding a suitable replacement.

The large section of hose is labeled “Thor Special Echappement Exhaust Hose” and is solid black.  This hose is installed from the exit side of the Vetus Waterlock (muffler) to the exhaust port on the hull.  The small section of hose from the exhaust elbow to the intake side of the Muffler is labeled “www.ivgspa.it ETNA Marine Gas Hose Lloyds No 99/00169 (E2).

I am not sure why the two section are different or if they are both original.  I believe the Thor is original as the Onan Exhaust Hose is the same.  The smaller section of hose does need to make a sharp bend which could explain why it is different or it may be subjected to higher heat as it is closer to the engine in the stream, or it could have been replaced by the PO. Either way, the smaller section has not held up as well.

I would like to do this job with both the most suitable and the highest quality product available to me.  I’d rather spend a few extra dollars now and get the longest life out of the project.   

I am writing to Thor to see if they can identify the existing product.  The smaller section of hose looks to be available from IVG but I am not sure I want to use that one again based on it’s current condition.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: BT SEAL INSTRUCTIONS

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

I am finished with this topic.  Bill has some instructions that he may, or may not, share with the rest of the group.  After Bill and I exchanged a few emails, I have decided that it's not my place to get involved in Jose's and Bill's project.   I will do the best I can to prepare a set of instructions to those that purchased these seals through me.

All the best, 

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K#262


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Nicolas;

We have pulled and serviced ours a couple of years ago, and did not have any issues. Hoping for the same this time, as we will be doing this in water.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:32:16 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade
 
Hello Mohammad 
I have just serviced my brunton H6 on the hard ,after it had given 16 years of good service ,I don’t know if the previous owner did it,I have no records. I just want to make you aware that a lot of heat was needed to remove the prop from its conical shaft , nothing else was moving it , not even the prop puller...
good luck
Nicolas
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Gary. I watched all 7 a few hours ago, as a refresher.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Wells via groups.io <gary@...>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:56:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade
 
There is a series of YouTube videos on servicing the H6. They are a bit dated, but they were put out by Brunton.
Here's the episode about the bearings.
.
https://youtu.be/zzMcjJFT8E0
.
Cheers!
Gary W.
Land-Lubber in Arizona,
with a heart for SM 209 :) 


Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Paul Stascavage
 

Good day all,

I have searched the forum but have not found what I am looking for.

I want to replace the Yanmar exhaust hose but there are so many options with regard to manufacturers and materials that I find it difficult for me to select an appropriate replacement product.

I was hoping that those who have done this before or have the knowledge I don’t posses could make some recommendations regarding a suitable replacement.

The large section of hose is labeled “Thor Special Echappement Exhaust Hose” and is solid black.  This hose is installed from the exit side of the Vetus Waterlock (muffler) to the exhaust port on the hull.  The small section of hose from the exhaust elbow to the intake side of the Muffler is labeled “www.ivgspa.it ETNA Marine Gas Hose Lloyds No 99/00169 (E2).

I am not sure why the two section are different or if they are both original.  I believe the Thor is original as the Onan Exhaust Hose is the same.  The smaller section of hose does need to make a sharp bend which could explain why it is different or it may be subjected to higher heat as it is closer to the engine in the stream, or it could have been replaced by the PO. Either way, the smaller section has not held up as well.

I would like to do this job with both the most suitable and the highest quality product available to me.  I’d rather spend a few extra dollars now and get the longest life out of the project.   

I am writing to Thor to see if they can identify the existing product.  The smaller section of hose looks to be available from IVG but I am not sure I want to use that one again based on it’s current condition.

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com

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