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Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Karl & Deborah Windahl
 

Tempting the fates, but I've been lucky to never have experienced sea sickness. My wife, however, can get sick at dock and has had no problems when taking Bonine. She does get a little sleepy but nothing like with Dramamine. 
Karl Windahl
Maramu #258 "Have Fun"



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 12:55 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Eric Freedman
 

Mike,

On a different issue on the winch. My problem was that the bolts holding the motor and gearbox to the bottom of the winch sheared off. I replaced them with stronger bolts and used locktite.

My main problem was reinstalling the winch. It is heavy to hold over my head and try to index the bolt holes. I resorted to cutting the heads of 2 longer bolts and inserted them into the motor flange. It was then very easy to install the motor by inserting the longer cut off bolts into the underside of the winch.

While you have everything apart you might replace the lip seal in the bottom of the winch and the thin plastic washer that separates the motor from the winch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2021 11:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM winch motor brushes

 

Mike,

The chances of the furling motor and the winch motor sharing brushes is vanishingly small.  not QUITE zero... but very close.  The electric winches were supplied by Lewmar (they are not an Amel specific part). On our boat, the winch drive motor and gearbox were made by Bonfiglioli, while the furling motors are Leroy Somers.  If your boat has the Bonfiglioli furling motors, the chances go up by a tiny bit... I do not know if Lewmar used exactly the same motors throughout the production run for these winches.

I haven’t had the opportunity to pull apart the motors for the winches, so can’t help with the details.  Like the furling motors, these motors and gearboxes are standard industrial parts.  If you can read the motor label ahead of time, you can pre-order the brushes.  If that’s not possible, once you have the old brushes in hand and can measure them, you can almost always get them from Grainger, or one of the companies who specialize in motor brushes.

We have found that all of the Lewmar dealers and distributors in the USA (including Lewmar USA) were pretty helpless as far as helping us with parts for these winches.  Nobody we talked to had the information about how the parts for the electric version was different from the the much more common manual version. We ended up getting our parts from Ocean Chandlery in the UK.  They immediately knew and understood exactly what we needed.

And in the “for what it is worth” department:  On Leroy Somers motors used in the main sail furling system:  Leroy Somers changed the design of the motor several years ago, but KEPT EXACTLY THE SAME PART NUMBER.  The new motor has the same electrical and power specifications, bolts in place and works fine, but is a slightly smaller diameter, and, most importantly, has a completely different design for the brushes.  If you order brushes based on the part number, it is a tossup on getting the right part!  Just a heads up that having the brushes in hand and ordering based on dimensions is sometimes the best thing to do.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Eleuthera, BS


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Eric Freedman
 

HI,

We just installed a new 4jh4hte. It is the same as your engine. It uses a stock Vetus hose.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2021 10:09 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

 

Thank you Bill R. and Bill K.

The wealth of knowledge on this forum saves me so much time.

I truly appreciate you both taking the time to share.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Eric Freedman
 

Bill,

Please ask him if he ever met Dr David Dickman.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2021 5:05 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Seasickness cures and medication

 

Paul,

 

We have an Amel Group member Super Maramu owner who is an Astronaut, a Professor of Cardiology, and was part of a Space Station crew. Additionally, he is one of the smartest people I have ever met. I will ask him and get back to you.

 

Bill

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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View My Training Calendar

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On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

FYI

Apparently NASA has in past mandated use of scopolamine patches behind the ear for all space crew, it is used on one side at a time. I do not know how long this policy was in place.

NASA apparently selected scopolamine patches for being the best anti motion sickness medication with lowest side effects.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

 

The helm!

Tell crew members to tell you when they feel the least bit queasy, then put them in the helm seat and have them steer to something on the horizon, even if it is a cloud...of course, you'll have to adjust their focus when the cloud moves.

This works. Have you ever known a driver of a car to get car sick?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:49 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
When doing aerobatic training in the RCAF, we could use Scopolamine patches. 

Luckily, I never needed one even when surrounded by very sick people. I am lucky. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 10/06/2021, at 6:08 AM, JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@...> wrote:


 Scopaderm a patch that sticks to the skin behind the ear and available at pharmacies in NZ is excellent for crew afflicted by sea sickness . It’s not cheap at about NZ $25 for 2 patches. You wear both. Does not make users drowsy.  I don’t use myself but always keep some on board for use when someone on board is afflicted 

John Hayes 
Nga Waka SN 61
Wellington NZ

On 10/06/2021, at 4:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

 

Paul,

We have an Amel Group member Super Maramu owner who is an Astronaut, a Professor of Cardiology, and was part of a Space Station crew. Additionally, he is one of the smartest people I have ever met. I will ask him and get back to you.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
FYI
Apparently NASA has in past mandated use of scopolamine patches behind the ear for all space crew, it is used on one side at a time. I do not know how long this policy was in place.
NASA apparently selected scopolamine patches for being the best anti motion sickness medication with lowest side effects.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

When doing aerobatic training in the RCAF, we could use Scopolamine patches. 

Luckily, I never needed one even when surrounded by very sick people. I am lucky. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 10/06/2021, at 6:08 AM, JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@...> wrote:


 Scopaderm a patch that sticks to the skin behind the ear and available at pharmacies in NZ is excellent for crew afflicted by sea sickness . It’s not cheap at about NZ $25 for 2 patches. You wear both. Does not make users drowsy.  I don’t use myself but always keep some on board for use when someone on board is afflicted 

John Hayes 
Nga Waka SN 61
Wellington NZ

On 10/06/2021, at 4:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Paul Harries
 

FYI
Apparently NASA has in past mandated use of scopolamine patches behind the ear for all space crew, it is used on one side at a time. I do not know how long this policy was in place.
NASA apparently selected scopolamine patches for being the best anti motion sickness medication with lowest side effects.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

JOHN HAYES
 

 Scopaderm a patch that sticks to the skin behind the ear and available at pharmacies in NZ is excellent for crew afflicted by sea sickness . It’s not cheap at about NZ $25 for 2 patches. You wear both. Does not make users drowsy.  I don’t use myself but always keep some on board for use when someone on board is afflicted 

John Hayes 
Nga Waka SN 61
Wellington NZ

On 10/06/2021, at 4:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Mark Garver
 

Eric,

We keep a good supply of ginger gum aboard and my wife swears by its effectiveness!

Mark Garver
S/V It’s Good


On Jun 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Seasickness cures and medication

Eric Freedman
 

I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Paul Stascavage
 

Thank you Bill R. and Bill K.

The wealth of knowledge on this forum saves me so much time.

I truly appreciate you both taking the time to share.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

 

Paul,

INTERNAL DIAMETER (INCHES) 3
EXTERNAL DIAMETER (INCHES) 3 5/16
WEIGHT (LBS) 3,1
MAX. PRESSURE (PSI) 47,86
BENDING RADIUS (INCHES) 4 1/2

About $20 - $25/ foot

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 5:41 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Paul,

I have not seen any large difference in quality between the major hose manufacturers. Shields, Trident, and Vetus all make excellent hose.  The primary difference in hose (other than size, of course!) is the choice of with wire re-enforcement or without.  The wire wrapped hoses can make significantly tighter bends without collapsing, but are otherwise similar in specifications and expected lifespan.

A possible advantage of Vetus hose is that it is made specifically to metric sizes, but in these sizes things match very closely either way.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Giana Cay, Exumas, The Bahamas


Re: Prop Settings for older SM with Volvo/MaxProp

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill,

my experience was to ruin a perfectly good engine because the waste gate was stuck causing over pressuring at higher revs. Check for freedom of movement of the operating flap. You can do this by applying air pressure to the bellows by removing the outer end of the small air hose. This will check the bellows at the same time. Or remove the circlip holding the operating rod to the waste gate arm and check for free movement of the arm. You should be able to flick it back and forth with your finger tip. If that is OK I would not see how higher revs would cause any damage. However I would never run my engine constantly at peak revs. My diesel utility vehicle does 1500 rpm at 100 kmh, our legal speed limit

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 June 2021 at 10:56 Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:

Danny, I hear you, except… the turbo is new.  The exhaust elbow is new, and clean.  The boost pressure is spot on Volvo’s spec (I measured it) the waste gate opening is in spec.  When going upwind, the engine will NOT climb up into the turbo boost zone if the RPM is limited to 2800.  Yet it generates full power and speed if I allow the max RPM to climb to 3350.  

What problems would you predict I’ll see by running at this prop setting?

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Great Guiana Cay, Exumas, Bahamas


Re: Prop Settings for older SM with Volvo/MaxProp

Bill Kinney
 

Danny, I hear you, except… the turbo is new.  The exhaust elbow is new, and clean.  The boost pressure is spot on Volvo’s spec (I measured it) the waste gate opening is in spec.  When going upwind, the engine will NOT climb up into the turbo boost zone if the RPM is limited to 2800.  Yet it generates full power and speed if I allow the max RPM to climb to 3350.  

What problems would you predict I’ll see by running at this prop setting?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guiana Cay, Exumas, Bahamas


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Bill Kinney
 

Paul,

I have not seen any large difference in quality between the major hose manufacturers. Shields, Trident, and Vetus all make excellent hose.  The primary difference in hose (other than size, of course!) is the choice of with wire re-enforcement or without.  The wire wrapped hoses can make significantly tighter bends without collapsing, but are otherwise similar in specifications and expected lifespan.

A possible advantage of Vetus hose is that it is made specifically to metric sizes, but in these sizes things match very closely either way.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Giana Cay, Exumas, The Bahamas


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Nick Newington
 

Well done Mohammad.
At the end of the day we all realise that you gotta do it yourself. There are, of course, plenty of excellent tradesmen, but few and far between.
I bought the full service kit from Buntons but all is well for the moment so it rests in wait.
I had toyed with the idea of getting the yard to do it over the winter, but not now, not after your story.
I am in Athens connecting to Leros in the morning…..
Nick
Amelia Aml54-019


On 8 Jun 2021, at 16:44, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



I have now removed all three blades. Two blades are missing the track for the roller bearing to seat in. The third one has it and the blade is in perfect shape. All of these parts  were in the kit that I supplied to them. They must have seen these tracks and did not know where they went and decided it was extra parts without even an inquiry. The strange part is that one of the blades was done correctly, so I fail to see how they missed the other two, unless they were done by different “mechanics”. I’m hoping to finish dismantling and cleaning today, re-assemble tomorrow. The diver is scheduled to come back Thursday AM to assist in the re-installation of the prop.

 

The plus side is that we have avoided a haul out and the whole process should take less than 2 days. This is something that can be done without an assist from a diver and I believe the whole process can be accomplished in a long day, in calm weather at anchor.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 5:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

 

Mohammed,

 

Great! And great advice!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

 

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021, 5:48 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I dove with assistance from a diver and had the prop removed in less than one hour. After removing the loose blade, found out that the tightening nut on the blade would rotate by hand and the left hand locking nut was not tightened against the blade nut and therefore allowed almost two full turns prior to locking. Water has gotten in between the hub and the blade and the bearing guide has almost rusted through.  I believe we have been sailing for two seasons with the prop in this condition and it was with pure luck that we found the condition before losing a blade and possibly doing a lot more damage in the process.

 

One more item to add to the annual check list. Dive and inspect all underwater items, as well as everything above deck. Time to rebuild again ourselves and hopefully do a better job than the “expert mechanics”. This issue keeps on being reinforced, do it yourself and at least you will either learn or make a mistake and know that you made a mistake. You will most likely not make the same mistake twice.

 

Thanks for all the responses.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

 

Just in case you have not see it. This is video from SVDelos I found this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEtGRuJiD0--

Slavko

SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Yanmar 100 HP (4JH3-HTE) Exhaust Hose Replacement

Paul Stascavage
 

Good day Bill and thank you for your reply.

Unfortunately, as this product is manufactured in Turkey, none of the US suppliers I have contacted have any stock or know when it will become available.

What would be your second choice? The chandlers in the US seem to normally stock Shield, Trident, MPI and Vettus.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

Mohammad Shirloo
 

I have now removed all three blades. Two blades are missing the track for the roller bearing to seat in. The third one has it and the blade is in perfect shape. All of these parts  were in the kit that I supplied to them. They must have seen these tracks and did not know where they went and decided it was extra parts without even an inquiry. The strange part is that one of the blades was done correctly, so I fail to see how they missed the other two, unless they were done by different “mechanics”. I’m hoping to finish dismantling and cleaning today, re-assemble tomorrow. The diver is scheduled to come back Thursday AM to assist in the re-installation of the prop.

 

The plus side is that we have avoided a haul out and the whole process should take less than 2 days. This is something that can be done without an assist from a diver and I believe the whole process can be accomplished in a long day, in calm weather at anchor.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 5:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

 

Mohammed,

 

Great! And great advice!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

 

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021, 5:48 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

I dove with assistance from a diver and had the prop removed in less than one hour. After removing the loose blade, found out that the tightening nut on the blade would rotate by hand and the left hand locking nut was not tightened against the blade nut and therefore allowed almost two full turns prior to locking. Water has gotten in between the hub and the blade and the bearing guide has almost rusted through.  I believe we have been sailing for two seasons with the prop in this condition and it was with pure luck that we found the condition before losing a blade and possibly doing a lot more damage in the process.

 

One more item to add to the annual check list. Dive and inspect all underwater items, as well as everything above deck. Time to rebuild again ourselves and hopefully do a better job than the “expert mechanics”. This issue keeps on being reinforced, do it yourself and at least you will either learn or make a mistake and know that you made a mistake. You will most likely not make the same mistake twice.

 

Thanks for all the responses.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Play in Brunson H6 prop blade

 

Just in case you have not see it. This is video from SVDelos I found this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEtGRuJiD0--

Slavko

SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Mast pads

Paul Osterberg
 

Roque
Thanks
Paul

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