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Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Joerg Esdorn
 

Another vote for sturgeon.   I hadn’t heard about the long term bad effects but I’ve never had a crew who took it get seasick or have side effects.   I have recently had a case of a crew member who didn’t think it was necessary to take it.  Bad idea.  Throwing up for hours and serious dehydration resulted.  If you start vomiting not even water stays down.  So I’ve now bought some suppositories to deal with that situation.  I hope I will never have to use them.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Randall Walker
 

Number one cure, stay on land.
If that is not possible I recommend unsalted soda crackers and flat Canada Dry ginger ale.
All my friends are not so nice and just say “suck it up buttercup” lol

Randall
A54#56
At anchor in Grenada 

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 12:55 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: SM winch motor brushes

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Mike,

If you have not already dome it, it is easy to remove the entire motor and gearbox.

Just remove the wires to the motor and tape them up.  If you then reach up to the top of the motor, you will feel 4 bolts. If I remember correctly you will need a short wrench.

If you remove them the motor assembly drops down and can be serviced.

Please see my previous note for installation. Also replace part #11 a plastic shim.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

The drawing for the winch

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2021 4:10 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM winch motor brushes

 

Thanks Danny. Did you replace the seals with the gearbox in place above the pilot birth or did you remove it so you could do the work in the more humane position? If removed what did you get into in separating the below deck assembly from the above deck assembly?
Mike

Aletes SM240

Chesapeake



On Jun 7, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Mike. warning warning warning. The small amount of oil will multiply if you don't deal with the cause. When it multiplies the resulting shorting will do very nasty things to your motor. I had to replace mine. The gearbox is oil filled. You need to separate the motor from the gearbox and replace the lip seal. I did the job on both winches. Not difficult. I took the side plate off the gearbox that the seal is located in and pressed it out. Easier than trying to hook it out. An aside. I was astounded when I needed the new motor. Lewmar in Auckland New Zealand had the identical unit on the shelf.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2021 at 07:16 "Mike Ondra via groups.io" <mdondra@...> wrote:

I couldn’t help myself.  Pulled the motor apart. Indeed there are four brushes. Here’s some pics for anyone who’s interested. Small amount of oil in the bottom of the motor housing that dripped out when the bottom bolt was extracted. Didn’t seem to be enough to impede anything electrical.

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On Jun 7, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

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It would appear that removing to service the motor/gearbox assembly for the winch may be challenging. I am reticent to disturb the bedding and other sealant damages that could occur with removal when I’m not certain that there is a problem in the first place.. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It just doesn’t sound quite right.

There are some drops of oil on the bottom of the gearbox which are some concern. But no evidence of drips below the gearbox on the headliner. Does anyone know if there are brushes in this motor? 

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On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Our starboard foresail winch has started to complain. After servicing the above deck hardware it sounded better but still a bit more growly than normal. Suspecting the motor brushes. Not having had experience servicing this motor, I am anticipating, as with other first time servicing projects, that it may not go smoothly. If indeed brush replacement is likely, I would like to have the brushes in hand while things are apart. We do have spare brushes for the furling motors. It would be nice if the winch motors utilized the same brushes. Can anyone confirm the specifics of the winch motor brushes?

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM240

Rock Hall, MD


 


 


Re: Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

Eric Freedman
 

I wanted to do that on Kimberlite years ago and the manufacturer said it was not suitable for rail mount.

They said that my raft a Switlik was not suitable for that configuration. I would check with the manufacturer to see if it works in that configuration. I now have a Winslow. I keep it in the port cockpit  locker next to my Jordan drogue. They offer 6 different case shapes for this raft.  It is a 6-man raft and must be repacked every 3 years. I especially like it as it has closeable pockets inside for my bail out bag gear.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Jarek Zemlo via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

 

Jose Hi,
attached some pictures of my raft. I did the change last year and welded in the rail port side. My raft is Viking ISO pack (6 persons fully equipped for long ocean passage).
Sailed so far 2.000 miles and no problems.

Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201


Re: Preventing Bow Thruster drop during service

Eric Freedman
 

Amel recommends putting a hose clamp on the tube of the bow thruster. It has worked for me for the last 19 years.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Ian Park
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 9:09 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Preventing Bow Thruster drop during service

Yes, I always do this, but thread the rope through the prop space so it can’t slip off. Makes removal single handed easier.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96. St Mary’s, Isles of Scilly


Re: Preventing Bow Thruster drop during service

Ian Park
 

Yes, I always do this, but thread the rope through the prop space so it can’t slip off. Makes removal single handed easier.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96. St Mary’s, Isles of Scilly


Re: Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

Jarek Zemlo
 

Jose Hi,
attached some pictures of my raft. I did the change last year and welded in the rail port side. My raft is Viking ISO pack (6 persons fully equipped for long ocean passage).
Sailed so far 2.000 miles and no problems.

Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

We use scopolamine patches which works well and we also tried the sea sickness googles used by the marine.
you look funny wearing them but it really helps when you need to go down for galley work etc
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Skilled electric-electronic people in Preveza-Greece

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Olivier,

 

I just changed my Bamar electric furler so let me know if you need spare furlers?

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

Amel 54 Meige #21

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Beaute Olivier via groups.io
Envoyé : jeudi 10 juin 2021 09:32
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; AmelYachtOwners <main+owner@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Skilled electric-electronic people in Preveza-Greece

 

Good morning,

 

AMEL 54#171 GANESHA is looking for a skilled electric-electronic after a lightning strike.

The vessel is in Preveza/Greece.

 

You may contact me at olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

 

Thanks.

 

Olivier.


Re: Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

Alain Blanchard <akdf85@...>
 

Jose

This is How IT is fitted on Koriolys 
Regards / Alain


SM 146/Koriolys 
Gruissan /France

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 10 juin 2021 à 03:44, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> a écrit :

I am replacing my life raft with one that can be kept on the railing for easy deployment.  My current one is a balize that I am not sure I will be able to deploy in time.

I would greatly appreciate any ideas/photos/drawings and experience of SM that have installed their life raft in the reailing.

I have been debating about finding a location for easy deployment, not adding to the port listing (exaggerated by the newly installed lithium batteries or tilting more the stern and certainly not reduce front visibility.

Thank you

Jose 
Ipanema SM 2K 278
Currently in Cartagena de Indias 


Skilled electric-electronic people in Preveza-Greece

Beaute Olivier
 

Good morning,

AMEL 54#171 GANESHA is looking for a skilled electric-electronic after a lightning strike.
The vessel is in Preveza/Greece.

You may contact me at olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

Thanks.

Olivier.


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Alan Leslie
 

We take Stugeron tablets for the first 2 days. It makes me a bit drowsy, but after two days all is fine...and if out for 6 months or so, never have to take it again.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

VICTOR MOLERO
 

This is my solution, Jose.
I'm happy with it.
Victor
SM314 Alendoy


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Marcel Tromp
 

Lie down on your belly , relax the muscles but have a bucket nearby! No meds!


On Thu, 10 Jun. 2021 at 16:29, Giorgio Ardrizzi
<giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
I have been using Biodramina Cafeina for years and I am very happy. It is the usual Dramamina type pill, but it contains caffeine which completely eliminates sleepiness.  The problem is finding it, because to my knowledge it is only sold in Spain. You can also buy it online.  On average it lasts 6/8 hours.

With regard to the Scopolamine patch, I advice once applied, to cover it with a paper patch. If inadvertently touches the patch and then the eyes, causes the complete opening of the pupil for many hours.
Being the Scopolamine a drug, for years in Italy, my nation, sale is prohibited.

Giorgio Ardrizzi
sy Saudade III
Sharki #1 - 1980
in Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

I have been using Biodramina Cafeina for years and I am very happy. It is the usual Dramamina type pill, but it contains caffeine which completely eliminates sleepiness.  The problem is finding it, because to my knowledge it is only sold in Spain. You can also buy it online.  On average it lasts 6/8 hours.

With regard to the Scopolamine patch, I advice once applied, to cover it with a paper patch. If inadvertently touches the patch and then the eyes, causes the complete opening of the pupil for many hours.
Being the Scopolamine a drug, for years in Italy, my nation, sale is prohibited.

Giorgio Ardrizzi
sy Saudade III
Sharki #1 - 1980
in Le Marin, Martinique


Mounting a life raft on the SM railing

Jose Venegas
 

I am replacing my life raft with one that can be kept on the railing for easy deployment.  My current one is a balize that I am not sure I will be able to deploy in time.

I would greatly appreciate any ideas/photos/drawings and experience of SM that have installed their life raft in the reailing.

I have been debating about finding a location for easy deployment, not adding to the port listing (exaggerated by the newly installed lithium batteries or tilting more the stern and certainly not reduce front visibility.

Thank you

Jose 
Ipanema SM 2K 278
Currently in Cartagena de Indias 


Preventing Bow Thruster drop during service

Jose Venegas
 

To avoid the danger of dropping the BT when removing it or when reinstalling it, I have used the following trick.  I start with some tension in the line after the BT trunk is in a favorable position. This also works in the water as long as you can ascertain the proper position of the line. 


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Lee-Ann Strelzow
 

Lasts for a week or so    So not a bad idea and not so expensive when you just use one.  Also you need to wear a few days before to make it effective.  Available in USA too.
Cheers
Lee Ann

We do not learn from experience. We learn from reflecting on experience."


On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


The helm!

Tell crew members to tell you when they feel the least bit queasy, then put them in the helm seat and have them steer to something on the horizon, even if it is a cloud...of course, you'll have to adjust their focus when the cloud moves.

This works. Have you ever known a driver of a car to get car sick?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:49 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
When doing aerobatic training in the RCAF, we could use Scopolamine patches. 

Luckily, I never needed one even when surrounded by very sick people. I am lucky. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 10/06/2021, at 6:08 AM, JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@...> wrote:


 Scopaderm a patch that sticks to the skin behind the ear and available at pharmacies in NZ is excellent for crew afflicted by sea sickness . It’s not cheap at about NZ $25 for 2 patches. You wear both. Does not make users drowsy.  I don’t use myself but always keep some on board for use when someone on board is afflicted 

John Hayes 
Nga Waka SN 61
Wellington NZ

On 10/06/2021, at 4:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Brent Cameron
 

I used to teach aerobatics myself and was never much affected no matter the motion. Same went for flight in IMC (clouds). Boats on the other hand can get me rarely. I’m not good with sitting there jigging on deep sea fishing fishing boats where I’m exposed to the diesel exhaust or on sailboats l when I lose sight of the horizon and the boat is yawing down waves (that motion has nothing to do with flying and i guess that I’m not used to it and it can do me in until about day 3-4 and then I’m fine.). It’s funny but I always seem to get it for about a day at the evening of day 2 if it’s going to happen to me on a passage. If I make it past that, I’m fine. 

Anyway,  I’ve tried just about everything and I’ve found that:
  1) Gravol (Dimenhydrinate) - works only when I have so much that  I’m asleep.  
  2) Bonine - if taken before I leave and regularly, it can stave off the effects unless it’s really bad out there. 
  3) Elastic Sea sick Wrist Bands - I guess I’m too sceptical for them to work for me
  4) Electric Sea Sick Wrist Bands - Ditto and I’ve wound the voltage right up to the point they make me jump. 
  5) Scopalomine - Doesn’t seem to stave off Day 2/3 effects for me but do note that you really need to wash your hands well after touching these as it will completely dilate your pupils and scare the hell out of your friends and family.   I wish it worked for me as it is the easiest of the lot (well except for those wrist band things) and has the least side effects. 
 6) Sturgeron (Cinnarizine) - used by the  Royal Navy but it has significant potential side effects so is not sold in North America (but you can get it in the Caribbean and Mexico). This works perfectly for me but I only ever take it when I know it’s going to be rough and at day 2 and only until day 4. The problem with it is that it can bring on Parkinson’s if you are so inclined to get it.  Some estimates say that more than 15% of all Parkinson’s cases were associated with longer term use of this so I’m really careful with it (and have no family history of it). It doesn’t make me drowsy but it can I’m told.  

Once you get sick, time will be the only cure IMHO. Bill’s suggestion works great during the day when you can see clouds or islands and the horizon but when you lose those, lie flat and near the centre of the boat to minimize motions.  It’s funny with me. I can take rolling and pitching all day long without so much as a twinge but throw in a few unexpected yaws (slipping turn from side to side without banking) and my tummy starts to turn.   

After 3-4 days at sea, it always gets better for me and I lose any effect no matter the motion. Doesn’t help when you are suffering though as you just want to die and get it all over with. :-). 

On my last passage, we found that if we lay down the moment we started to feel something and then popped up for quick tasks and then back down right away, we could stave off any effects without medication.  

Those who never get sick have my admiration, those who always do, have my deepest sympathies.  

Brent

On Jun 9, 2021, 5:10 PM -0400, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>, wrote:
The helm!

Tell crew members to tell you when they feel the least bit queasy, then put them in the helm seat and have them steer to something on the horizon, even if it is a cloud...of course, you'll have to adjust their focus when the cloud moves.

This works. Have you ever known a driver of a car to get car sick?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:49 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
When doing aerobatic training in the RCAF, we could use Scopolamine patches. 

Luckily, I never needed one even when surrounded by very sick people. I am lucky. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 10/06/2021, at 6:08 AM, JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@...> wrote:


 Scopaderm a patch that sticks to the skin behind the ear and available at pharmacies in NZ is excellent for crew afflicted by sea sickness . It’s not cheap at about NZ $25 for 2 patches. You wear both. Does not make users drowsy.  I don’t use myself but always keep some on board for use when someone on board is afflicted 

John Hayes 
Nga Waka SN 61
Wellington NZ

On 10/06/2021, at 4:55 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Seasickness cures and medication

Karl & Deborah Windahl
 

Tempting the fates, but I've been lucky to never have experienced sea sickness. My wife, however, can get sick at dock and has had no problems when taking Bonine. She does get a little sleepy but nothing like with Dramamine. 
Karl Windahl
Maramu #258 "Have Fun"



On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 12:55 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I was asked by a crewmember to poll the group to find out what Amel owners used

and recommended for seasickness.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

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