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SM Hard top

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

I shall be very interested to read Bill's review of the Amel 50, but you can have solar on a hard top on an SM.

 We had this carbon fibre top made for us in Greece this winter and are delighted with the result. It has made the whole cockpit feel even more spacious and achieved more headroom than we had with the canvas bimini which we had already modified to achieve better headroom.  With the hard top we now have 186 cm ( 6ft 1.2 inches ) pretty well throughout the cockpit. LED ceiling lights.   2x Solarworld Semi-Flexible PCB -ETFE panels, 180w each. In retrospect we could have fitted larger panels but the input even from these has transformed our use of the genset.

The vinyl window unzips across the top. You can open a small section if it's raining and you want to see better or you can open the whole window which rolls down. 

The hard top is strong--you can dance on it if you are so inclined. We are just happy to be underneath it.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Siros, Greece



Re: Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Kevin;

There is a tool, similar to an oil filter wrench, that locks into the large plastic ring at the top of the filter housing to unscrew. Then filter housing lowers and can be removed, once this plastic ring/nut is completely unscrewed. 

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
+1-323-633-2222 Cell
+1-424-644-0908 Fax


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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 3:35:01 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator water maker pre filter housing
 
Good morning,

Simple, silly question on opening the pre filter housing (2) on my Dessalator water maker.  How do I open these housing to maintain the filters?  I assume the green body unscrews into the white top piece? As it is plastic,  I did not want to break if attempting to open improperly.  I’m not sure if there is a special wrench or not..?

Thanks,
Kevin
KIANA
SM#362
Block Island, RI


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362






Re: Genoa Furler motor

amelforme
 

Most all my clients and all of my own experiences with Reckman furling on Amel boats has been entirely satisfactory. It isn't cheap but you can trust in getting what you pay for. 

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:

Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Genoa Furler motor

Bernd Spanner
 

Hello,

On my SN form 1995 the genoa furler motor stopped working. First it operated only at about half speed to fail completely in the end.
Relays apear ok from hearing, cabels are also fine and brushes as well. Cleaned the motor where possible.
According SAV Amel does not support the furler, spares or the motor itself anymore. Looks like this also goes for the SM.
Any Info regarding this or info where to get a spare motor, specs etc is highly welcome.
If nothing helps, please advise if someone has experience with this system from Germany. 


--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Dessalator water maker pre filter housing

Kevin Schmit
 

Good morning,

Simple, silly question on opening the pre filter housing (2) on my Dessalator water maker. How do I open these housing to maintain the filters? I assume the green body unscrews into the white top piece? As it is plastic, I did not want to break if attempting to open improperly. I’m not sure if there is a special wrench or not..?

Thanks,
Kevin
KIANA
SM#362
Block Island, RI


--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Santorin aft cabin configurations

Greg Thomas
 

Thanks Loïc,

That's the only configuration that I've seen (not that I've seen very many). But I was curious whether the double+desk was ever offered on the SN.
Greg


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Ummmmm shedding fiberglass? Isn't the turbo heat pad made of asbestos? I'm pretty sure mine is.... 


Re: Santorin aft cabin configurations

Loïc TAUZIN
 

There is a wood extension for the starboard berth, i put a Big matress, but no  desk on the other side, like the SM.


Le lun. 21 juin 2021 à 13:05, Greg Thomas <gregthomasesq@...> a écrit :
Hello!
First post to this amazing group.
Was the Santorin ever offered with an aft-cabin configuration of double berth to port and a small table/dresser to starboard? All of the images that I have seen have the twin single berths that can be converted to a double.
Greg
(potential future Amel owner)


Santorin aft cabin configurations

Greg Thomas
 

Hello!
First post to this amazing group.
Was the Santorin ever offered with an aft-cabin configuration of double berth to port and a small table/dresser to starboard? All of the images that I have seen have the twin single berths that can be converted to a double.
Greg
(potential future Amel owner)


Re: Steering Wheel Dimensions for new leather cover - AMEL Sharki?

Johannes Schmidt
 

Dear Aras,
Thank you for your offer to further support in this matter. I am still a little unsure about the exact diameter of the tube. Do you have a chance to take the dimensions of the tube without a cover - ideally with a caliper? I have found a possible product, so in addition to the exact tube diameter, I mainly need the dimensions of the spokes: The diameter - on the outside - junction point to the circle, as well as the diameter of the spokes 10 cm further inside - as the spokes are conical .

To make things easier, here is the link to the product we're looking for: Skincloshop

Thanks in advance!

Johannes

Many ThanksOn Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 09:01 PM, Aras Grinius wrote:

Johannes,
 
Are you still stuck on the dimensions of the wheel?
I can go and measure mine.
 
Aras 
Sharki #163

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 3:36 AM Johannes Schmidt <info@...> wrote:
Dear Greg,

I did receive your fabulous message and replied to say thanks a lot - didn't you get this?

Please look up your Junk folders too - I recently got messages that I get (false positively) suspected.

Thanks again for your help!

Johannes 

 

 


 
--
Aras Grinius


Re: Converting front cabin to double bad

Slavko Despotovic
 

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 07:37 PM, Jim Anderson wrote:
Spell-check correction: should have read "The wooden insert and cushion to do this are stored UNDERNEATH the port forward berth."
This was so on both SM2K's I've owned. I'm all but certain it was standard.

 Thank you. I have found it. 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Alain,

This is copied from my email to the forum back 2020.

I found on eBay Leece-Neville part number K176101466, priced $30. This is a K section 8 groove pulley with 63mm diameter.  The bore is 7/8 inch with keyway to fit the alternator. The pulley was new and unused.

Micro v belts can go round much smaller pulleys. I think for the K section it is a minimum of 45mm. So no problem going round a 63mm pulley.

I then took the original 230mm double groove pulley, that bolts to the Volvo crankshaft to my local machine shop in the UK who milled it down to match the Leece-Neville one I bought. He did a superb job for £60. 

Please see the photos of the big pulley that has been machined down from 230mm to 200mm.

So I calculate that I now have a pulley ratio of 3.14 whilst before it was 2.7. Thus at idle (725 rpm on the engine) the alternator now runs at 2300 rpm and will be charging nicely. Where as before in idle it was running at 1957 rpm. The alternator only kicks in at 2000 rpm. So in the boat manoeuvring situation we will now have proper charge, and we all know how much power the Bowthruster uses.

The alternator is rated for a maximum RPM of 8000. The Volvo D3 has maximum rpm of about 2700 so I calculate that the maximum engine rpm will have to be 2547.

Seeing as that is really thrashing the engine and I never run it it that level apart from the once a year blast out. I will put a small sticker at the helm saying Max RPM 2500.

Total cost in US$ including new Gates Fleetrunner belt about $125.

Obviously when I get back to the boat I will have to align the alternator, but note how now both pulley are exactly the same width. It will be much easier than before where one pulley was 47mm and the other 52mm. The machine shop supplied me with a few spacers, washers of different thickness, to help but I may well have to have a washer made  for the final alignment.

So now that I have it fitted I can report that it works well. The only thing is that small pulley required a small spacer about 5mm for the nut to clamp it to the fan.

I also report that the belt that I am using fits nicely Gates FleetRunner Micro V 8PK1255HD

Kind regards

Nick

Amelia 
AML 54-019
Patmos




On 21 Jun 2021, at 09:02, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:

Bonjour Nick,

I also want to improve the drive pulley on my 175 A alternator so do you have any technical information and parts number to help me to do the modification?

Cordialement,

Alain Durante

Amel 54-021 / Meige

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Envoyé : lundi 21 juin 2021 07:39
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Whilst in lockdown I bought a nice new heat shield for the turbo.  See below, the original was messy and shed fibre glass.
More importantly I re-machined the drive pulley to micro v PK8 And bought an off the shelf Reece Neville pulley to match.
They are now fitted and aligned perfectly.
I can report, but only after a couple of hours use, that it runs well at much lower temperature. Previously the belts and pulleys ran 100 degrees C now 52!
Also due to improved ratio, at idle the alternator generates 43A v about 12A before.
I calculate that  max rpm should be limited to 2600 as that will max out the alternator rating of 8000 rpm.
The Volvo WOT is specked at 2750. I plan to make a label at the helm to say max rpm 2600.
Frankly the only time I open the throttle full tilt is to blast away any soot build up but at 2600 it all seams a bit much anyway.
So far no dust but it is early days.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 Patmos












Air con circulating pump

ngtnewington Newington
 

I bought a Dormaire magnetic aircon circulating pump rated 950gph to replace the old. Euro 264.
It pumps plenty of water to run all three units but is very small, about 10cm long by about 7cm wide and very light. I suspect it will not last very long but we shall see.
It is also a DC motor so there is a 240v-24v power supply that comes with it.
It replaces the Calpeda monster that needed a screw driver on the shaft to get it going and it leaked. It’s bronze impeller has warn down, I think not from corrosion but from abrasion. On board was the kit to replace the shaft seal.
I plan to buy a new impeller and then swap back when the Dormaire dies.
For now it looks like the Dormaire is great; lighter, quieter,more efficient. No seals.

Nick
S/A Amelia
AML 54-019
Patmos


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Nick,

I also want to improve the drive pulley on my 175 A alternator so do you have any technical information and parts number to help me to do the modification?

Cordialement,

Alain Durante

Amel 54-021 / Meige

-----Message d'origine-----
De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 21 juin 2021 07:39
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Whilst in lockdown I bought a nice new heat shield for the turbo. See below, the original was messy and shed fibre glass.
More importantly I re-machined the drive pulley to micro v PK8 And bought an off the shelf Reece Neville pulley to match.
They are now fitted and aligned perfectly.
I can report, but only after a couple of hours use, that it runs well at much lower temperature. Previously the belts and pulleys ran 100 degrees C now 52!
Also due to improved ratio, at idle the alternator generates 43A v about 12A before.
I calculate that max rpm should be limited to 2600 as that will max out the alternator rating of 8000 rpm.
The Volvo WOT is specked at 2750. I plan to make a label at the helm to say max rpm 2600.
Frankly the only time I open the throttle full tilt is to blast away any soot build up but at 2600 it all seams a bit much anyway.
So far no dust but it is early days.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 Patmos


Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

ngtnewington Newington
 

Whilst in lockdown I bought a nice new heat shield for the turbo. See below, the original was messy and shed fibre glass.
More importantly I re-machined the drive pulley to micro v PK8
And bought an off the shelf Reece Neville pulley to match.
They are now fitted and aligned perfectly.
I can report, but only after a couple of hours use, that it runs well at much lower temperature. Previously the belts and pulleys ran 100 degrees C now 52!
Also due to improved ratio, at idle the alternator generates 43A v about 12A before.
I calculate that max rpm should be limited to 2600 as that will max out the alternator rating of 8000 rpm.
The Volvo WOT is specked at 2750. I plan to make a label at the helm to say max rpm 2600.
Frankly the only time I open the throttle full tilt is to blast away any soot build up but at 2600 it all seams a bit much anyway.
So far no dust but it is early days.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019 Patmos


Re: VHF antennas

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean, 
It is pretty quiet but very pleasant.
I fully expected to spend a couple of weeks trouble shooting systems that were put to bed in September 2020.  I am delighted to say, fingers crossed and touching wood that all is as I left her.
No water ingress, bone dry, all systems working perfectly.
Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019
Patmos



On 21 Jun 2021, at 03:18, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Thanks, good to know. It was probably a combination of finger trouble and lack of detailed interest on my part.  I assume my receive antenna is fine as I can receive Navtex ok.  I will give the WFax another airing this summer when I get to the boat.
How are things in Greece?
Cheers
Dean
A54-154
  


Re: VHF antennas

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick,
Thanks, good to know. It was probably a combination of finger trouble and lack of detailed interest on my part.  I assume my receive antenna is fine as I can receive Navtex ok.  I will give the WFax another airing this summer when I get to the boat.
How are things in Greece?
Cheers
Dean
A54-154
  


Re: Amel 50: Preview of my upcoming review

 

Jean,

Thank you very much for your valuable comments. I am sure that you are not alone with regard to your points.

I too was concerned about the same issues you speak of, but once I experienced for myself how these were addressed by Amel and after weighing the benefits and risks of everything involved, I am absolutely 100% on board with how Amel addressed them. The Amel 50 is perfect for many people, but not everyone. The sales and current backlog are proof positive that the Amel 50 is "on target" for the current Amel market.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


   


On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 11:46 AM Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

As many other participants of this forum I am in awe of your knowledge of, experience with and dedication to the "Amel world" and I am certain that your review is well thought through. But, but, but, unless corrections have now been made by the yard, twice when I visited the 50 in La Rochelle I was taken aback by two serious flaws, for me, in its concept.

First, there was not one single storage space available in the cockpit where to put away the many bits and ends we all need or want, when at sea or at anchor, but do not want to store down below. This means that each time you need a piece of rope, a bucket, etc. you have to leave the cockpit and go to the lazarette. This was an absolute "no-no" for Henri Amel who professed that no owner of any of his boats should ever be  forced to leave the security of the cockpit, except, of course in case of dire emergency.

Second, they have placed the battery bank above the keel, at the low point of the boat. This is a common requirement of architects who believe in "centering weights". Absolute nonsense! this is the place where water is most likely to accumulate even without a major breach of the hull. Think overflowing water tank when refilling or, for us French people, a broken wine bottle or two, for whatever reason.

And, this is a personal opinion, after all these years I still believe that the ketch is a better choice both at anchor, to lie to the wind, and at sea to balance the boat, even if it means, maybe, forfeiting a quarter of a knot in speed.

Having owned two Amels, a Maramu and an SM, I remain a fervent admirer of the Amel breed up to and including the 54. After that, again in my opinion, they started building cruising boats not boats made for voyaging.

With all due respect to you and admiration for your remarkable competence and selflessness.

 

Jean Boucharlat

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: dimanche 20 juin 2021 17:16
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 50: Preview of my upcoming review

 

Amel 50: First Experience:

I have first-hand experience with many models made by Amel, including Maramu, Santorin, Mango, Super Maramu, 54, 55, and recently I was aboard a 50 for the better part of a week. All of the above models have Amel DNA throughout the yacht and in all of its systems. But, of course, each of these Amel models is different. One thing for sure, as each model was introduced by Amel, the newest model represented a major step forward for Amel and each became part of building Amel's remarkable reputation.

 

The Amel 50 has Henri Amel's DNA throughout the boat. In my opinion, it is not only the best Amel yacht ever produced, but I am also absolutely certain it will outperform any previous model in all categories, including downwind sailing. I realize this will ruffle some feathers because we all love our boats as I do, but until you test the 50 in every conceivable way, you cannot have an informed opinion. Amel "checked all of my boxes" when they produced the 50. The 50 is going through some minor changes as a result of great owner input and unusual builder listening.

 

I suspect that Amel will someday soon figure out how to achieve the production numbers with the 50 that they enjoyed with the SM. They are certainly on their way with a huge backlog of sold orders that equate to a 2.5-year waitlist.

 

The Amel 50 will have an important place in my Amel Book and all of the other things that I offer Amel owners.

 

Next week I will post a complete review of the Amel 50 on my website: www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com

 

Here is one of the many things I was impressed with. These photos show how Amel integrated solar into the 50 design. The panels glued to the Amel 50 hardtop and are Solbian Flex panels (I have recommended these for several years).

 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar


Re: Downwind pole control lines-replacement

david bruce
 

Thank you Joel,  

Interesting story. I guess I had a suspicion but no actual knowledge that the stretch characteristics of those lines was relevant. It makes sense and all the more reason to try and replace like with like.  I have reached out to Lancelin Cordage in France, and notice they are located close to La Rochelle, perhaps why Amel used their line?  Haven’t heard back yet but I’m hopeful I can replicate a stock set of the lines, in the original colors.  

Thanks again and best regards, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006


On Jun 19, 2021, at 4:17 PM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Dave. The lines for the ballooner have two specific peculiarities. First, they have a soft sheath on the outside which makes them easy and comfortable to use. Second, and most importantly, it is a fairly stretchy, by design, cordage. 
Once while in La Rochelle conducting a sea trial in puffy wind, the alleged new Amel boat buyers were hard core racers who were very successful around the buoys and were now looking to expand their horizons. They wanted to sail around the world as fast as humanly possible. When the ballooner was set, they were annoyed that the clews would not stay exactly where they were set but moved a few inches as the puffs arrived. I explained to them what my Amel colleagues had told to me, these lines were the “shock absorbers” in the system. Much the same as a boxing glove taking much of the smack out of a punch, the stretchy lines took the pop out of the puffs and limited the shock loading of the fittings on the poles. They laughed this off.
They did not take the plunge and buy a new Amel boat during that occasion in La Rochelle. I did sell them a used one several years later and they changed the ballooner control lines to skinny ones that did not stretch at all. The only good things about that situation were that replacement female fittings on the end of the short poles were still available from the original OEM producer and they didn’t discard the original ballooner lines. Oh, and the skin on your hands grows back quickly.   
 
All the best,
Joel 
 
           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.
                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of david bruce
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Downwind pole contol lines-replacement
 
Hello,  
I am looking to create a new set of the blue,red,yellow downwind pole control lines and am looking for information about this type of line and it's sourcing.  Bills book calls it 'Tempest' but I can't seem to find any online references to this type of line and do not recall seeing it in any chandleries.   Does anyone know what brand it might be?   Also more generally is this type of line used for this application for any specific reason (besides the pretty colors) ie it's stretch or shock absorption attributes, making it important to replace like with like or less ideally could other types of line be used? 
Thank you
Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006 



Re: Converting front cabin to double bad

Jim Anderson
 

Spell-check correction: should have read "The wooden insert and cushion to do this are stored UNDERNEATH the port forward berth."
This was so on both SM2K's I've owned. I'm all but certain it was standard.

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