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Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, I would put hull form at the top. The modern flying wedges are fast and the voluminous stern cockpit fashionable and popular,but I suspect ( I am a sailor not a Naval architect) not as sea kindly, nor I suspect nearly as controllable running in big winds and seas. The SM bow holds up well, doesn't dig in causing slewing. The SM tracks incredibly well off the wind in big seas.. Likewise the ketch rig. Reducing sail is a dream as is increasing it.

.Not criticizing the 50 in any way. It was just built to a different design brief to a particular target market. As we have come to expect from Amel, they have done it well.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 June 2021 at 10:29 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 



 

On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


 


 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Justin Maguire
 

Personally I find it amazing that a pair of killer whales attacked the rudders, destroyed them, and

a) the boat didn’t sink 
b) the boat was able to still make its way to port 
c) the hull and rudder post sleeve wasn’t damaged
d) Amel flew in new rudders and had them back in the water in short order

if those animals had attacked any Amel the rudders would have been destroyed.. 

Rudder vs. killer whale = destroyed rudder!

YMMV


On Jun 29, 2021, at 19:36, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:

Surely one serious safety concern is enough to get a serious prospective  buyer really concerned.
Rudder failure rates of 1% are mentioned in ARC rallues, dont know if this is correct or not.
The 50 looks superb, however a mid ocean rudder failure for my wife and I would really spoil our day.
Amel clearly know their primary sales market, for sailing in the Med an A50 would in my book be perfect. Mid pacific or in Indian ocean.....

https://oceansailormagazine.com/whats-wrong-with-spade-rudders/
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Paul Harries
 

Surely one serious safety concern is enough to get a serious prospective  buyer really concerned.
Rudder failure rates of 1% are mentioned in ARC rallues, dont know if this is correct or not.
The 50 looks superb, however a mid ocean rudder failure for my wife and I would really spoil our day.
Amel clearly know their primary sales market, for sailing in the Med an A50 would in my book be perfect. Mid pacific or in Indian ocean.....

https://oceansailormagazine.com/whats-wrong-with-spade-rudders/
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Justin Maguire
 

I’d love to know - beyond who they market to - what changes make these new boats less seaworthy world cruisers? 

The only three specific features that are regularly brought up are:
- twin rudders without the protected prop
- the loss of the ketch rig. 
- the more modern hull form that bashes more up wind (though is nicer downwind)

Build quality is as good or arguably better..

Ease of systems maintenance is as good or arguably better. 

I’m genuinely curious to learn here 




On Jun 29, 2021, at 17:39, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Scott Williams
 

As an erstwhile Product planner, I understand the evolution that the A50 represents for Amel.  Stepping onto one of the 1st “show boats” in Sydney a few years ago, I for one “got it” instantly...

 

Key competition from multi-hulls with their bright, airy interiors and less rolling motion means that to some degree, monohulls have had to adapt in terms of habitability while still maintaining traditional Amel values to some extent...the “Admirals” at least are demanding it.  Hence the broad beams, big windows and single mast are a fightback in product concept and design.  So far from being a “coastal short passage cruiser”, I’m wondering which boat will actually deliver you on an “ocean crossing” as a far more comfortable, refreshed and alert mariner.

 

Looking forward to seeing Bill’s further impressions of his recent test, on his site...

 

 

 

Scott

Future A50 custodian

 

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From: Alan Leslie
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2021 10:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

 

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 

 


Re: Miele Microwave on A55 not working

Clive Chapman
 

Sorry if this sounds a bit ‘nanny state’ and I’m teaching you to such eggs, but as an ex Merchant Navy trained Radio Officer I can confirm there are some SERIOUS life threatening voltages and systems inside even a domestic microwave oven. Please treat it with real caution. As Brent has mentioned, ensure all the capacitors are discharged before working on it.

ABSOLUTELY ensure you remove any jewellery and rings before starting. It is also good practice to do everything ‘one handed’ so if you do get a shock it doesn’t go ‘hand to hand’ across your heart. High voltages are bad news. High voltage microwaves are very bad news!

Other than that, they are remarkably simple. Working backwards there is the magnetron which generates the microwaves, a high voltage rectifier and capacitor fed by a HV transformer, some form of timer circuit that feeds the ‘low’ voltage side of the transformer (LV in this context can still be 110/240vac so even treat that side with respect), control/display circuit that tells the timer circuit what to do, and interlocks to ensure it only operates with the door closed. The remainder is ancillaries to power the turntable motor, interior lamp, etc.

If it is absolutely dead, I’d start at the mains feed input and just work logically following the circuit board and check the progress of volts, at some point early on there’ll be a break somewhere. It could be corrosion as Bill R has suggested, or possibly a blown component. One simple initial check is to have a really good look at each soldered joint on the PCB (with the power completely disconnected). It is possible a critical component has developed a dry joint - look for a slight dulling of the solder compared with other joints. Sometimes you get lucky and there’s even marked corrosion around the joint. Depending on the complexity of the PCB, number of components and your soldering skill, it can be even be worth rewhetting the joints on the main power circuit to see if that solves the problem. 

Good luck! 



Regards 
Clive
07721 894 383


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 1:43:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Miele Microwave on A55 not working
 
It is likely something serious, but I had the same issue with my Amel installed microwave.

I opened it up getting the non-tamper screws out and discovered that when some of the internal spade connections were touched it came to life. I disconnected all of the connections, brushed-on some CorrosionX, reassembled it, and it lasted for years until we replaced it with one with more features.

I know this sounds like a commercial for CorrosionX, but it's a true life example of micro-corrosion and solutions while living aboard with salt air, and CorrosionX.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 2:05 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Our microwave went black yesterday in the middle of warming up some frozen food.  It was quite warm inside and now doesn’t show any sign of life.  Any suggestions?  


joerg esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
on passage to Cadiz


Re: Yanmar 100 hp starter relay

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Derick
From the parts list 
129490-77910 RELAY, STARTER
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Alan Leslie
 

Absolutely agree with all of that.
Judith and I visited Amel in La Rochelle in 2019 and went for a sail on the 50.
Judith fell in love with it's creature comforts and layout and now says we'll buy one when we win the lottery!
I have all the above misgivings about it as an ocean crosser, but then maybe those days are over and as a coastal short passage cruiser the 50 would be ideal.
Certainly Antoine Riotin said the same things to me  - the target market for Amel has changed; it is no longer the circumnavigator as it was in Henri Amels day.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: Yanmar 4JH4T valve adjustment

Eric Freedman
 

Kevin,

Do you have an 8 or 16 valve engine?

Fair Winds,

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Schmit
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 10:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 4JH4T valve adjustment

 

Can anyone confirm if the Group Valve Adjustment sequencing on the Yanmar 4JH4TX1 is the same as the Yanmar 4JH3 engine?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Improved 24v alternator pulleys and turbo heat shield

Scott SV Tengah
 

Nick,

Can you provide more info about the heat shield? My turbo heat shield is destroyed, too.

I presume that since the D3's Garrett turbo is used on cars, you can find a non-marine one for less than the 500 euros that Volvo Penta wants for theirs!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Question for 50 & 55 owners about the bow thruster

 

Can you tell me if your bow truster is the SE170 or the SE250. I am fairly sure that you have the SE170, but need to verify.

Same question for the Amel 50.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Yanmar 100 hp starter relay

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Bill, thanks for the quick response. If the key is turned, the appropriate red lights go on in the paMel , but when the key is further turned to the start position, the negative solenoid does engage, but there is no cranking of the engine. If the mechanic shorts out the two posts on the starter relay while the key is in the start position, the engine does crank and immediately runs. So we suspect the starter relay has failed, or fails at high temperatures (after running the engine for some time). I will see if I can source it here in Montenegro. 


Derick
SM2K #400 Brava 


Re: Yanmar 100 hp starter relay

 

Derick,

What are the symptoms? If you are experiencing NO CRANK, it can be something the mechanic will not be familiar with. Included in the troubleshooting should be the Valeo Negative Solenoid, the Starter Relay, the 2 diodes that go to the positive lug on the Valeo Solenoid, the Solenoid on top of the Starter Motor, and the Starter Motor.

Generally, the start cycle works like this: 
When you turn on the key the warning lights turn ON and the buzzer sounds. 
When you turn the switch to start, the Starter Relay energizes the Valeo Negative Solenoid connecting the battery negative to the block and it energizes the Yanmar starter motor solenoid, extending the gear and turning the starter motor.  I suggest cleaning every connection and brushing on CorrosionX.

The parts involved in this are:
Yanmar key switch 127412-91250
Starter Relay I believe is part number 119575-77510
Valeo Solenoid is part number Valeo part number VA053457
Yanmar Starter Magnetic Starter Switch (Solenoid) 124298-77020
Yanmar Starter 129698-77010
Two diodes unknown (someone will know, please help here)

More detail here: 2 pages from my Amel Book: 


I hope that this helps...I think that there is better than a 50% chance it is a loose and/or dirty connection that needs cleaning and CorrosionX.


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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:05 PM Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava <derickgates@...> wrote:

 What is the part number for the starter relay on the 100 hp Yanmar? I am having a hard time starting my engine when it is hot and the mechanic suspects this relay is problematic and I am looking to replace it  

Derick Gates
SM2K #400
currently in Bar, Montenegro 


Re: Yanmar 4JH4T valve adjustment

 

Here is a page from my book and it is what I do on a 4JH3, which I believe you can do on the 4JH4
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:24 AM Kevin Schmit <kevschmit64@...> wrote:
Can anyone confirm if the Group Valve Adjustment sequencing on the Yanmar 4JH4TX1 is the same as the Yanmar 4JH3 engine?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Yanmar 100 hp starter relay

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

 What is the part number for the starter relay on the 100 hp Yanmar? I am having a hard time starting my engine when it is hot and the mechanic suspects this relay is problematic and I am looking to replace it  

Derick Gates
SM2K #400
currently in Bar, Montenegro 


Yanmar 4JH4T valve adjustment

Kevin Schmit
 

Can anyone confirm if the Group Valve Adjustment sequencing on the Yanmar 4JH4TX1 is the same as the Yanmar 4JH3 engine?
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Miele Microwave on A55 not working

 

It is likely something serious, but I had the same issue with my Amel installed microwave.

I opened it up getting the non-tamper screws out and discovered that when some of the internal spade connections were touched it came to life. I disconnected all of the connections, brushed-on some CorrosionX, reassembled it, and it lasted for years until we replaced it with one with more features.

I know this sounds like a commercial for CorrosionX, but it's a true life example of micro-corrosion and solutions while living aboard with salt air, and CorrosionX.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 2:05 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Our microwave went black yesterday in the middle of warming up some frozen food.  It was quite warm inside and now doesn’t show any sign of life.  Any suggestions?  


joerg esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
on passage to Cadiz


Re: Miele Microwave on A55 not working

Brent Cameron
 

I can’t help with the exact model but I’ve fixed a few microwaves in my day and it’s usually one of two causes, both easy for DYI although you do need to be very careful to ensure it isn’t plugged in and you discharge the large capacitor before poking around in there as it can carry a lethal charge.  Most microwaves have a large internal fuse (15A usually) that can trip (often if someone accidentally put metal inside). The other is that the magnetrons fail. They are easy to replace as well (usually just a few wires). The other thing to check would be the door switch but it doesn’t sound like that as it failed mid cooking. Good luck!

Brent

On Jun 29, 2021, 3:05 AM -0400, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...>, wrote:

Our microwave went black yesterday in the middle of warming up some frozen food. It was quite warm inside and now doesn’t show any sign of life. Any suggestions?


joerg esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
on passage to Cadiz


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi  Colin

I still love my SM.Ocean Pearl but if I suggested to Yvonne  a 50 she would say yes yes yes. But for me the systems on the SM, the ketch rig, the ease of sail control and the supreme sailing controlability in any conditions and the sea kindliness all combine to hold me.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 June 2021 at 19:48 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Ah-ha! That is a very interesting comment by Amel, and probably pretty well researched too amongst existing Amel owners too who no longer intend to circumnavigate.

We too have found ourselves drawn towards some of the awesome features of the Amel 50 for a potential next boat. After enjoying a wonderfully safe, comfortable, and easy circumnavigation in a SuperMaramu 2000 despite some really tough conditions, we now found ourselves thinking more of doing local sailing mainly in the future, plus potentially the Med and then the normal "milk run" easier North Atlantic to the Caribbean, and then Pacific and home to Australia route next time which could be great in the 50. 

If we were doing the Indian Ocean again, we would be straight back in an SM2000!

I do hope that Amel sees that video and does something about strengthening those rudders, and also considers the prop shaft support issue too. That said, we had a huge and fast whale come threateningly down on us like a torpedo from the rear just before rounding the north tip of Madagascar, and I think nothing but a very strong old steel boat could realistically deal with that! Fortunately, in our case, it was a false alarm and the whale dived down and headed out to our stbd side not hitting us.

Colin Streeter
Currently boatless and enjoying land touring home in Australia
ex Island Pearl II

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:32 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Yvonne and I visited Amel at La Rochelle when they were fitting out the first 50. It was in the water at the dock and we were given a walk through. I raised with them that it appeared to have moved from the all on ocean crossing circumnavigator build of previous Amels. I asked if their target market had shifted.

They told me that the target for the 50 was existing Amel owners who had done their major passages and wanted a new boat with all the great features of Amel but more suited for inshore sailing.

Who am I to argue with that. There are hundreds of us out there.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 June 2021 at 15:44 eric freedman < kimberlite@...> wrote:

Is that the New Amel 50?

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 5:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

 

[Edited Message Follows]

For those not seeing the link:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=haVHkHks9v4&feature=share

————————
Hmm, balance rudders on an Amel, not sure about that…

It seems Amel changed the construction of the rudder(s) quite drastically. But they are not alone, Hallberg Rassy is doing the very same thing. The added beam at the stern of the boat makes this inevitable.
From my personal point of view. I think everything under the waterline must be as close to bomb proof as you can realistically make it. So these modern hull shapes with twin rudders are posing a devils dilemma in my opinion.
I found it also a bit uncomfortable looking at the size of the P-bracket that guides the propellor-shaft. I would have preferred a upside-down V-shape for that thing. This setup seems very fragile as well and begging for bent propellor-shafts

I’m aware that these wide bottoms do give you nice sail performance but I’m not so sure if this new design is not conflicting with the prime directive of what Amel stands for.

I guess time will tell…

Cheers,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121

 



 


 

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Ah-ha! That is a very interesting comment by Amel, and probably pretty well researched too amongst existing Amel owners too who no longer intend to circumnavigate.

We too have found ourselves drawn towards some of the awesome features of the Amel 50 for a potential next boat. After enjoying a wonderfully safe, comfortable, and easy circumnavigation in a SuperMaramu 2000 despite some really tough conditions, we now found ourselves thinking more of doing local sailing mainly in the future, plus potentially the Med and then the normal "milk run" easier North Atlantic to the Caribbean, and then Pacific and home to Australia route next time which could be great in the 50. 

If we were doing the Indian Ocean again, we would be straight back in an SM2000!

I do hope that Amel sees that video and does something about strengthening those rudders, and also considers the prop shaft support issue too. That said, we had a huge and fast whale come threateningly down on us like a torpedo from the rear just before rounding the north tip of Madagascar, and I think nothing but a very strong old steel boat could realistically deal with that! Fortunately, in our case, it was a false alarm and the whale dived down and headed out to our stbd side not hitting us.

Colin Streeter
Currently boatless and enjoying land touring home in Australia
ex Island Pearl II

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 2:32 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Yvonne and I visited Amel at La Rochelle when they were fitting out the first 50. It was in the water at the dock and we were given a walk through. I raised with them that it appeared to have moved from the all on ocean crossing circumnavigator build of previous Amels. I asked if their target market had shifted.

They told me that the target for the 50 was existing Amel owners who had done their major passages and wanted a new boat with all the great features of Amel but more suited for inshore sailing.

Who am I to argue with that. There are hundreds of us out there.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 June 2021 at 15:44 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Is that the New Amel 50?

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 5:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

 

[Edited Message Follows]

For those not seeing the link:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=haVHkHks9v4&feature=share

————————
Hmm, balance rudders on an Amel, not sure about that…

It seems Amel changed the construction of the rudder(s) quite drastically. But they are not alone, Hallberg Rassy is doing the very same thing. The added beam at the stern of the boat makes this inevitable.
From my personal point of view. I think everything under the waterline must be as close to bomb proof as you can realistically make it. So these modern hull shapes with twin rudders are posing a devils dilemma in my opinion.
I found it also a bit uncomfortable looking at the size of the P-bracket that guides the propellor-shaft. I would have preferred a upside-down V-shape for that thing. This setup seems very fragile as well and begging for bent propellor-shafts

I’m aware that these wide bottoms do give you nice sail performance but I’m not so sure if this new design is not conflicting with the prime directive of what Amel stands for.

I guess time will tell…

Cheers,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121

 



 


 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

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