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Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Jamie Wendell
 

Just to chime in on this discussion, on my A54, I replaced the original MEJ1.02 on the genoa with a Reckman while in Martinique a couple of years ago. Expensive - yes indeed, but absolutely bulletproof. The original Bamar would not handle high loads and eventually locked up from internal corrosion - even though I had it serviced the year before.
I retained the staysail MEJ1.02 and have had to replace the motor and belt gears since then. It is still grinding a bit and now quite noisy, so it too needs to be serviced. But, it seems to be powerful enough for the job when it works. I really do not like the belt-drive approach, but the staysail is not a major concern to me. I would definitely like a new EFJ but cannot justify the expense at this point. A Reckman for the staysail would be nice, but ouch....
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: A54 Refrigeration Water Pump - Brushless Motor Update

Jamie Wendell
 

OK, backed by some nice encouragement from Bill I am providing the details needed for those willing to embark on a brushless motor (BLDC) solution for the A54 refrigeration water pump. I am attaching to this thread some installation photos of my system, a schematic showing how it is wired (and the necessary parts), as well as the software code that will allow the system to operate. Please recognize that my system is more complicated than the one others would be installing, as I have a display and some extra features that are not necessary for a basic functional install. Also, the photos show that I have replaced the original Frigoboat pump interface with a set of 3 relays (consistent with the latest solutions provided by Coastal Climate Controls). The Frigoboat E51385 is no longer manufactured, and my unit was acting erratically.

Anyone embarking on this "journey" will need to do the following:
  1. Acquire the parts I show on the schematic, including the VESC, the Flipsky BLDC motor, an Arduino controller w/screw shield to allow strong physical connections, the Elk relay, a 10K ohm potentiometer, and the Tobsun voltage converter.
  2. You will also need a fuse holder w/fuse, a disconnect switch, and some wire etc.
  3. I would recommend that all the components be installed in a plastic box big enough to accommodate everything (at least the VESC and the Arduino controller, which are the "brains" in the system). Since my system is more complicated and has additional parts, I elected to house some items in separate distributed boxes. I may encase the exposed relays at some point in the future to address the potential for corrosion in the engine room, but for now I am good to go. One option I considered was to mount everything in the cabinet above the galley sink, but again my installation would not accommodate all the components. Your installation may allow for that, which would provide the ability to adjust the pump speed in the galley. I do that in the engine room, which is obviously not quite as convenient. Once set, there is no reason to adjust, but I have found it helpful to speed up the pump when I am running the AC pump, given the competition for water in the sea strainer intake.
  4. Wire up everything per my schematic.
  5. Download the Arduino software and load up the attached code.
  6. Download the VESC software (tools) and program the VESC (via the install wizard). This one can be a bit tricky. One important note is that the VESC must be set for "Duty Cycle" control. It will default to "Current" which will NOT work.
  7. Fabricate an aluminum interface plate to mate the BLDC motor to the Frigoboat pump head. This is quite a project, and I had a local machine shop do this work. There are a number of holes required to interface the pump head with the new motor, and I wanted it to be a clean install. This proved to be very expensive, so please consider doing it yourself if you can.
  8. Install the new "pump" adjacent to the standard system to allow for backup if needed - so far the original 12V pump is gathering dust and I hope it continues to do so.
Anyway, enough said for now. I remain available to help anyone adventurous enough to do this project. I found it very satisfying to solve all of the problems on my own and am happy to share that knowledge if I can. And, if anyone is really interested in my extra "bells and whistles" I can show you what I did - only for those willing to do soldering and a lot of extra wiring on the Arduino.

Good luck, but please be advised that there is some "work" involved here.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Amfa pumps

Emma Podlewski
 

Good morning everyone,

I’m new to this group as I just purchase an Amel Maramu 1986. I have a few pumps onboard (which I believe are also on Super Maramu) and I would be interested in the manuals/maintenance instructions if anyone has them.

The salt water pump is AMFA AP 665L, fresh water AMFA AP 66 and the bilge pump is AMFA Marina Zz.

Also I found the flow of the bilge pump not super high. Did anyone run into that issue?

Many thanks,

Have a great day on the water!

Cheers

Emma


Onan water pump

Jeff Williams
 

Hi All,
Any suggestions for where to source the Onan water pump in Greece?   The Sherwood G702.    


Thanks,
Jeff s/v Spruzzo


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Geo Uhrich
 

Hello,

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

Peter
Carango
La Rochelle
07836 209730

On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Peter Forbes
 

Hi Paul,

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

Peter
Carango
Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
07836 209730

On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Alexander Hofmann
 

Dear Bill, Arno, dear all,

 

being absolutely unsatisfied with the incapability of not resolving the problems with Bamar overload security system not working properly and after a handful of mostly very cold high sea ocean showers for half an hour I have been the first Amel54 owner I suppose, who has changed from Bamar to Reckmann for the Genoa and the Staysail. It was 2015, I suppose.

Did get a very good advice from another Amel owner who did it before on the Genoa.

 

I changed the complete equipment for not having a ‘specialized customized solution’ with the Reckmann furler and the Amel forestay (which is stronger than Reckmann). In storm case I roll the sails 3 times around the forestay and this is absolutely sufficient.

For repair work somewhere in the world it is always easier to have the original and complete systems installed. So I would propose anybody to change the system completely.

 

Never I have had any problem with Reckmann furler. Even if the furler engine would fail you can roll / unroll with the winch handle without any operation before.

 

Not cheap, definitely, but excellent components, I would always take the same decision again!

Thank you to Reckmann for a good support when changing the system with Secteur Blanc / Franck Chivé in La Rochelle. I did not contact Reckmann again, due to the absence of any problem!

 

Best regards

Alexander Hofmann, SY Oceanica I, Amel54#156

 

 

 


Re: MEJ 1.02

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Great THX, Nick,

enjoy Greece and your boat. Hope to met you anywhere :)

Happy Sailing and fair winds.

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ A54#088
<>
Am 06.07.2021 um 09:44 schrieb ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>:

Today we are sailing between Ikaria and Samos. I have been doing an Amel 54 introduction course. Great sailing and much cooler in Patmos and Arki…Samos is hot hot hot. I think the big islands heat up. The small are cooled by the sea.
As for the movie clip it was last year in the Cyclades in early March. It was cranking 40 knots.
My guests leave on 8 July and my wife arrives the same time. We want to go back to Ikaria and hire a car for a couple of days. Then we are heading north; Lesvos Skiathos and finally back round to Leros.
Nick
Amelia
AML 54-019
Near Fournoi
On 6 Jul 2021, at 10:33, Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer <ulrich.dangelmeyer@t-online.de> wrote:

Good Morning Nick,

very impressive, but not unknown for us. Where are you today now?
We are on Leros Marina and I will be there from next week on til end of month. Than, later in September tip November. Looking forward on less strong winds and no medicane this season.
Currently it´s obviously very hoooot, about > 40°C in the Dodekanes Islands.

When and from were are your movie made, which island or passage in vicinity? I know, around Folegandros it´s about the gusts and jet blows between very sporty. Or Mykonos.

Hopefully you are in good shape, i follow you by your coordinates under your comments in the forum. Very nice. are you single handed?
Would be very nice and appreciated if we are able to have a cold one together. Very lovely bar in the marina, „Skippers“ you know?

For today and this week: fair winds and all hands on deck.

Best wishes
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“, A54#088
<>
Am 05.07.2021 um 21:28 schrieb ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>:

No worries. Here is a clip of a good breeze.
Amelia
AML54-019
Greece









<IMG_3654.MOV>





Re: MEJ 1.02

Nick Newington
 

Today we are sailing between Ikaria and Samos. I have been doing an Amel 54 introduction course. Great sailing and much cooler in Patmos and Arki…Samos is hot hot hot. I think the big islands heat up. The small are cooled by the sea.
As for the movie clip it was last year in the Cyclades in early March. It was cranking 40 knots.
My guests leave on 8 July and my wife arrives the same time. We want to go back to Ikaria and hire a car for a couple of days. Then we are heading north; Lesvos Skiathos and finally back round to Leros.
Nick
Amelia
AML 54-019
Near Fournoi

On 6 Jul 2021, at 10:33, Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer <ulrich.dangelmeyer@t-online.de> wrote:

Good Morning Nick,

very impressive, but not unknown for us. Where are you today now?
We are on Leros Marina and I will be there from next week on til end of month. Than, later in September tip November. Looking forward on less strong winds and no medicane this season.
Currently it´s obviously very hoooot, about > 40°C in the Dodekanes Islands.

When and from were are your movie made, which island or passage in vicinity? I know, around Folegandros it´s about the gusts and jet blows between very sporty. Or Mykonos.

Hopefully you are in good shape, i follow you by your coordinates under your comments in the forum. Very nice. are you single handed?
Would be very nice and appreciated if we are able to have a cold one together. Very lovely bar in the marina, „Skippers“ you know?

For today and this week: fair winds and all hands on deck.

Best wishes
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“, A54#088
<>
Am 05.07.2021 um 21:28 schrieb ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>:

No worries. Here is a clip of a good breeze.
Amelia
AML54-019
Greece









<IMG_3654.MOV>


Re: MEJ 1.02

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Good Morning Nick,

very impressive, but not unknown for us. Where are you today now?
We are on Leros Marina and I will be there from next week on til end of month. Than, later in September tip November. Looking forward on less strong winds and no medicane this season.
Currently it´s obviously very hoooot, about > 40°C in the Dodekanes Islands.

When and from were are your movie made, which island or passage in vicinity? I know, around Folegandros it´s about the gusts and jet blows between very sporty. Or Mykonos.

Hopefully you are in good shape, i follow you by your coordinates under your comments in the forum. Very nice. are you single handed?
Would be very nice and appreciated if we are able to have a cold one together. Very lovely bar in the marina, „Skippers“ you know?

For today and this week: fair winds and all hands on deck.

Best wishes
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“, A54#088
<>
Am 05.07.2021 um 21:28 schrieb ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>:

No worries. Here is a clip of a good breeze.
Amelia
AML54-019
Greece





Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Paul et all,

 

I agree 100% with Nicks comment and I think it’s all about how you furl and how you treat the MEJ 1.02.

My 54 Hull nr.55 (2007) is equipped with MJE 1.02 on both headsails.

When I bought the boat 4 years ago, I greased and sealed both Furlers with proper RTV Silicone Seal. Nothing else since then. I’m sailing every year more than 9Mt  (even during Covid times).

The staysail furler got a bit noisy recently, and I think it needs a service now. But that’s normal every few years. No information about water ingress.

 

To summarize; - I’m happy with the Bamar furlers and never had a problem. I also carry some rubber belts from the former owner, but never had to change any.

As Nick mentioned, don’t think the wind in the MED is different. 40kn in Med has the same power as elsewhere. I faced Meltemi in Greece 2019 or Mistral last year in Corsica well over 40 kn.  

 

Ruedi

SY-WASABI

A54-055

 

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On my 54 with MEJ 1.02

I have no problem. You have to release the sheet before reefing. Completely unload the sail, reef it, and  then sheet it in.

I have never experienced the headsail unfurling in strong winds.

Do not kid yourself about Med weather being light. It blows pretty hard here in Greece, 40 knots is to be expected in a strong Meltemi between high islands.

As for the staysail, it is small. The furler is more than adequate.

I  have no opinion on water ingress. When I bought the boat both furlers were a mess, but I put in new belts and cleaned them up. One motor needed replacement after a transatlantic  east bound, but that was probably age.

I am not saying there are not better furlers out there but if you treat the MEJ 1.02 kindly it is fine.

 

Nick

S/Y Amelia

AML54-019

Ikaria Gr



On 5 Jul 2021, at 21:33, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:



Thank you all

A few follow up questions

1) Are the MEJ 1.02 and MEJ 2.02 physically very different looking? Do you have pictures of both side by side to share?

2) Any guidelines on maintenance of these furlers and how to spot a poorly maintained one (greasing, galvanic etc). 

3)Do belts need to be changed routinely on 1.02?

4) Any cases of these furlers letting sails unfurl in rough weather?

5) What was the eventual outcome on the control box saga for these?

 

I read somewhere that the MEJ 1.02 might be up to light use in Med but not to rough crossings, do you think that is true?


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Stefan, you must be very relaxed people for that not to be frightening. Your comment about the agreed course is very interesting, likewise being escorted out of their area. I was once herded away from a big pod of big dolphins by two of the largest. There were quite a number of young with the pod. The two herders would let us within 500 meters of the main pod. Obviously we were sensitive to their behaviour and read what they expected of us. Perhaps you have identified what is going on with these Orca, and what needs to be done to avoid damage. Perhaps rapid interpretation of their "requirements of us" may avoid the worst damage????.
There is a scientist, Ingrid Visser, in New Zealand who has made a lifetime study of Orca. I will contact her and see what she may know about this sort of behaviour.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 06 July 2021 at 03:13 Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:


Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a
lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course
of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart
has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely. That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”… 😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:

Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal














MEJ 1.02

Nick Newington
 

No worries. Here is a clip of a good breeze.
Amelia
AML54-019
Greece


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Nick Newington
 

On my 54 with MEJ 1.02
I have no problem. You have to release the sheet before reefing. Completely unload the sail, reef it, and  then sheet it in.
I have never experienced the headsail unfurling in strong winds.
Do not kid yourself about Med weather being light. It blows pretty hard here in Greece, 40 knots is to be expected in a strong Meltemi between high islands.
As for the staysail, it is small. The furler is more than adequate.
I  have no opinion on water ingress. When I bought the boat both furlers were a mess, but I put in new belts and cleaned them up. One motor needed replacement after a transatlantic  east bound, but that was probably age.
I am not saying there are not better furlers out there but if you treat the MEJ 1.02 kindly it is fine.

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML54-019
Ikaria Gr


On 5 Jul 2021, at 21:33, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:


Thank you all
A few follow up questions
1) Are the MEJ 1.02 and MEJ 2.02 physically very different looking? Do you have pictures of both side by side to share?
2) Any guidelines on maintenance of these furlers and how to spot a poorly maintained one (greasing, galvanic etc). 
3)Do belts need to be changed routinely on 1.02?
4) Any cases of these furlers letting sails unfurl in rough weather?
5) What was the eventual outcome on the control box saga for these?

I read somewhere that the MEJ 1.02 might be up to light use in Med but not to rough crossings, do you think that is true?

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Paul Harries
 

Thank you all
A few follow up questions
1) Are the MEJ 1.02 and MEJ 2.02 physically very different looking? Do you have pictures of both side by side to share?
2) Any guidelines on maintenance of these furlers and how to spot a poorly maintained one (greasing, galvanic etc). 
3)Do belts need to be changed routinely on 1.02?
4) Any cases of these furlers letting sails unfurl in rough weather?
5) What was the eventual outcome on the control box saga for these?

I read somewhere that the MEJ 1.02 might be up to light use in Med but not to rough crossings, do you think that is true?

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

 

Denis,

I have no idea what they explored.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:35 PM Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:
Hello,

Bill did Amel explore using Selden Furlex 400 series furlers?

Thanks

Denis

Envoyé de mon iPhone





Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Denis Foster
 

Hello,

Bill did Amel explore using Selden Furlex 400 series furlers?

Thanks

Denis

Envoyé de mon iPhone


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

 

Paul,

Arno just gave you a very good answer just as I was about to press SEND. I am sending it anyway.

I will try to give you some understanding based on my limited knowledge. 
Bamar and Amel couldn't agree as to causes and solutions and it seemed to me that it got to the point where the finger-pointing resulted in no joint solution between Bamar and Amel. The original MJE 1.02 (Majic Jib Furler) which was installed on both headsails on the majority of the 54s was belt-driven and not as waterproof as it should have been. That, coupled with the fact that as many as half of the 54 buyers had previously owned an Amel with probably the strongest headsail furler ever made for pleasure boats, meant imminent failure. I believe that most of these owners treated the Bamar fuler as they had treated their previous Amel-made furler. The Bamar MEJ 1.02 furler was not up to the task. Part of the evidence that this happened was that Amel installed a larger Bamar MEJ 2.02 on the genoa of the last X number of 54's made, and Amel switched to Reckmann furlers for the 55. Additionally, Bamar reached out directly to the 54 owners that they could contact with an offer to upgrade the MEJ furlers to their new gear-driven EJF furlers at a discounted cost. I believe that at least 30 Amel 54 owners took advantage of this.

Incidentally, I talked to a respected Bamar reseller who said that he sold a number of MJE furlers and never had the problems that Amel 54 owners experienced. This points to possibly the validity of my theory regarding the "previous Amel-made" headsail furler experience, or maybe most of his installations were not ketches with a large genoa. And FYI, Amel now uses ProFurl electric furlers.

And, the older the boat is the more likely it is that the owner will be faced with an expensive decision. For instance, there are almost zero parts available for the Amel-made genoa furler. Owners of these will either have to have parts machined, or will be faced with a decision to install either a Bamar EJF, a Reckmann, or a ProFurl furler. I know the Bamar EJF will work with the existing foil and stay, I think the Reckmann offers a replacement kit that will work, but I am unsure about the ProFurl.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:32 AM Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have read a lot about problems with Bamar furlers on the A54. While looking at Amel 54s for sale the vast majority seem to have the original Bamar furlers. So to my questions; how often are these furlers problematic? How many of you have upgraded? What problems caused you to upgrade.

Thanks
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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

I would recomend you to turn around and go back to Portimao, there is a lifting possibilities and good crafts men that can help you.
We have spent the last 4 winters on Rosa Cabral e Soares yard and we have contacts that can help you with the repair.

Let me know if you want further info.

Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila
SM232, 1998
Present in La Linea, Spain.


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05/07/2021 kl. 17:14 skrev Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com>:

Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely. That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”… 😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:
Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal












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