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Re: Electrician Recommendation

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Richie,
I am in Greece (Kilada) and 
i just upgraded my A54 with Lithium batteries myself, with Victron batteries.
Everything works fine.
No issue.
Best
Dominique


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

That issue happened to us 3 years ago and we reported on the solution here (06/06/18   #40108 ). 


I would suggest carrying a spare relay as it happened to us again just recently. Note that we don’t use our thruster much, I don’t know if that helped delay the reoccurrence or instead accelerated it. 

In our bow thruster, the oem relay is by Albright (sales@...) in the UK (they could only provide model SW202-317 equivalent to SW202-260 installed).
An equivalent relay is available at evdrives.com  in the USA.


Hope that will help,


Best, 
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahiti

On 7 Jul 2021, at 03:00, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

How many hours did it take?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: Air Conditioning issues

 

This is great news...wishing you the best.

FYI, maybe a start capacitor is out of spec, slightly increasing the start-up burst of power it is supposed to give. There are a number of suspects, but the easiest to get to is the start capacitors on the Climma pumps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:33 PM John Clanton <clanton@...> wrote:

Quick update on the Air Conditioning issue:

 

The breaker broke, that is clear.  It would not reset under power, it would not reset without power, and it would not reset once physically removed from the box.  Luckily, there is a fairly large marine electrics shop about a block away from the marina and they were able to order a replacement for me.

 

Educational note:  The young guy in the electrics shop tried to sell me a similar breaker with the same amp rating, but it had a different model number.  When I questioned him about the different model number (his English was just slightly better than my poor French), he shrugged his shoulders and said it must be that the broken one was older.  I was not satisfied.  He enlisted the advice of the master, who spoke no English at all, and he confirmed that what the young lad was trying to sell me was a “standard” breaker, and that I needed a “demurrage” (delay) breaker. 

 

At least in my boat, the breaker needed for the Air Conditioning system has a delay feature to accommodate short bursts of current required at pump/motor/compressor start up.  These are Schneider brand breakers manufactured in France and I have several C16 breakers, but the Climma system has a D16 breaker.  I do not know what the “C” stands for, but apparently the “D” stands for demurrage, the “16” indicates the amperage rating.  As I understand it, the Climma system has a seawater pump, a compressor, and a cold water closed circuit pump, all controlled by an e-brain.  Each of them have a different trigger to turn on and off depending on load.

 

All that being said, the system has been working perfectly for 24+ hours since installing the new breaker, but I have asked the local Climma rep to come by and give the system a once over to see what amps are being pulled by each component as I suspect the breaker didn’t just fail on its own.  I am happy that I could swap out one component and fix everything, but I suspect I only addressed a symptom and that the underlying issue is waiting for an inopportune time to show itself again.  BTW, any entrepreneurs who are looking for their next project, I suggest breakers, there is big money in breakers.

 

If further investigation yields more data, I will share it with the group, otherwise consider the problem solved.  Now on to the Orca Issue…..

 

 

Many thanks to all for suggestions,

 

John W. Clanton

S/V DEVEREUX, A55 No. 65

rehydrating in Antibes, France



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Re: Air Conditioning issues

John Clanton
 

Quick update on the Air Conditioning issue:

 

The breaker broke, that is clear.  It would not reset under power, it would not reset without power, and it would not reset once physically removed from the box.  Luckily, there is a fairly large marine electrics shop about a block away from the marina and they were able to order a replacement for me.

 

Educational note:  The young guy in the electrics shop tried to sell me a similar breaker with the same amp rating, but it had a different model number.  When I questioned him about the different model number (his English was just slightly better than my poor French), he shrugged his shoulders and said it must be that the broken one was older.  I was not satisfied.  He enlisted the advice of the master, who spoke no English at all, and he confirmed that what the young lad was trying to sell me was a “standard” breaker, and that I needed a “demurrage” (delay) breaker. 

 

At least in my boat, the breaker needed for the Air Conditioning system has a delay feature to accommodate short bursts of current required at pump/motor/compressor start up.  These are Schneider brand breakers manufactured in France and I have several C16 breakers, but the Climma system has a D16 breaker.  I do not know what the “C” stands for, but apparently the “D” stands for demurrage, the “16” indicates the amperage rating.  As I understand it, the Climma system has a seawater pump, a compressor, and a cold water closed circuit pump, all controlled by an e-brain.  Each of them have a different trigger to turn on and off depending on load.

 

All that being said, the system has been working perfectly for 24+ hours since installing the new breaker, but I have asked the local Climma rep to come by and give the system a once over to see what amps are being pulled by each component as I suspect the breaker didn’t just fail on its own.  I am happy that I could swap out one component and fix everything, but I suspect I only addressed a symptom and that the underlying issue is waiting for an inopportune time to show itself again.  BTW, any entrepreneurs who are looking for their next project, I suggest breakers, there is big money in breakers.

 

If further investigation yields more data, I will share it with the group, otherwise consider the problem solved.  Now on to the Orca Issue…..

 

 

Many thanks to all for suggestions,

 

John W. Clanton

S/V DEVEREUX, A55 No. 65

rehydrating in Antibes, France



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Re: Again a question about yacht insurance

Arno Luijten
 

In the end I got a really nice insurance from a renowned Dutch insurance company. They do limit themselves to Dutch customers and Dutch registered vessels so not really for most of the people here.

I also got an offer from Edward William insurances that looked good on paper but failed my background check on both the broker as the underwriter (ION Insurances, Costa Rica). Looking at their 2019 financial report I decided this was not for me.
I also received an offer from Pantaenius Germany but that was stupid expensive for getting hurricane coverage for Curacao. Tried some others as well but most scare away from hurricane risks even outside the known hurricane paths.

Thanks to all that have responded

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Electrician Recommendation

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Folks
Finally, two years after purchase, Why Knot formerly Guma will receive some hands on love from her new owners. She is on the hard in Kos Marina, Greece. One of our first tasks is to repower her. We want to do a LiFePO4 upgrade but before going down the DIY route I thought I would check if anyone recommend a good electrician in Greece who has that sort of experience or failing that someone who is precise, neat and safety oriented in the work that they do?

Many thanks

Richie

Why Knot, SM2K #261 Kos, Greece


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

 

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

How many hours did it take?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Dean

Interesting indeed.

Are they just playing, might be, but they are also territorial, highly sensitive and very intelligent.


Here is a link to a presentation by the local orca researcher near Barbate Ruth Esteban.

Ruths answer is "we do not know what is causing this disruptive behaviour"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKwtzBUxBk8


Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348 @ Porto Portugal





Op 07-07-2021 om 00:54 schreef Dean Davenport:

Interesting article (link below) on the subject of recent Orca attacks on boats off Spain and Portugal that I thought you may find interesting.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2020/11/15/killer-whales-attacking-boats-for-fun/

Kind Regards

Dean
Prospective Amel owner



-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 5:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Hi Stefan, you must be very relaxed people for that not to be frightening. Your comment about the agreed course is very interesting, likewise being escorted out of their area. I was once herded away from a big pod of big dolphins by two of the largest. There were quite a number of young with the pod. The two herders would let us within 500 meters of the main pod. Obviously we were sensitive to their behaviour and read what they expected of us. Perhaps you have identified what is going on with these Orca, and what needs to be done to avoid damage. Perhaps rapid interpretation of their "requirements of us" may avoid the worst damage????.
There is a scientist, Ingrid Visser, in New Zealand who has made a lifetime study of Orca. I will contact her and see what she may know about this sort of behaviour.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 06 July 2021 at 03:13 Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:


Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a
lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course
of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart
has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely.
That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”…
😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:

Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal















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Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Dean Davenport
 

Interesting article (link below) on the subject of recent Orca attacks on boats off Spain and Portugal that I thought you may find interesting.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2020/11/15/killer-whales-attacking-boats-for-fun/

Kind Regards

Dean
Prospective Amel owner

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 5:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Hi Stefan, you must be very relaxed people for that not to be frightening. Your comment about the agreed course is very interesting, likewise being escorted out of their area. I was once herded away from a big pod of big dolphins by two of the largest. There were quite a number of young with the pod. The two herders would let us within 500 meters of the main pod. Obviously we were sensitive to their behaviour and read what they expected of us. Perhaps you have identified what is going on with these Orca, and what needs to be done to avoid damage. Perhaps rapid interpretation of their "requirements of us" may avoid the worst damage????.
There is a scientist, Ingrid Visser, in New Zealand who has made a lifetime study of Orca. I will contact her and see what she may know about this sort of behaviour.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 06 July 2021 at 03:13 Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:


Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a
lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course
of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart
has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely.
That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”…
😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:

Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal


















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Re: Onan water pump

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi
 

Hi Jeff,

The Onan representative is in the Alimos area of Athens. I’ll attach the address and telephone numbers. We get all our spare Onan parts from them.

Helen and Kostas on Meditation SM 29

ENEQ PCC Geroulanou 49 str
Alimos
17455
ATHENS 
0030 210 9886621
0030 210 9884610
0030 6944 331533
0030 6945 996788
0030 6944 695223 
savvasonan@eneq.gr

Διαβάστε περισσότερα: http://m.eneq.webnode.gr/cummins-onan-generators/



On 6 Jul 2021, at 12:46 PM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:



Hi All,
Any suggestions for where to source the Onan water pump in Greece?   The Sherwood G702.    


Thanks,
Jeff s/v Spruzzo


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

 

Jean,

Thanks for that. When JP posted this I looked at Facnor and found their electric furlers to look very much like Profurl. I wonder who was first?😀 See below

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Hello J.P. and Bill,

May be you're both right!

In fact Profurl and Facnor are now brands of Groupe Wichard, famous for its shackles, etc.,which bought both companies.

 

Jean Boucharlat

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: mardi 6 juillet 2021 17:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Furlers

 

JP,

 

ProFurl on the 50 I was aboard recently.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:52 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Ulrich,

 

I’ve been told the A50 uses Facnor furlers 

 

A friend refitted his yacht with some and they work well. 

 

Cheers

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 6/07/2021, at 9:09 PM, Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

 

Peter
Carango

La Rochelle

07836 209730



On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

When we bought our a54 in 2016, the previous owner had already changes the genoa furler to Reckmann. He kept the Bamar MEJ 1.02 for the staysail. He left a number of spare/used Bamar control boxes onboard. 

Since then, we had no issues with the Reckmann, despite our inexperience with electric furlers. We try to treat it gently, removing as much power from the sail when furling in, without it flapping too much either.

Initially we had cases of the thermal protection tripping because the rolled genaker would get caught in the furler.

We broke the belt in the bamar staysail furler once, but that was because of my own stupidity. It was easy enough to replace. Have some spares. 

We have mainly sailed downwind in the last 4 years, so haven’t used the staysail much, so it hasn’t been used in anger and seems sufficient. 

I’d be interested in feedback, knowledge and opinion about why Amel decided to:
1. Discontinue the Amel built furlers after the SM? They seemed perfectly fit for purpose. 
2. Stop using the Reckmann furlers after the 55. Again, users seem satisfied with them.

Hope that will give more information about this subject. 

Best,

Thomas 
GARULFO
A54-122
Tahiti 


Ps: Having sailed half way around the world now, and being originally a med sailor, I can tell you the Med has delivered the worst seas and wind conditions I have ever seen. Maybe the (slightly pejorative, imho) reference to “a boat for the Med” refers to proximity of shelter and support.


On 6 Jul 2021, at 05:40, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Hello J.P. and Bill,

May be you're both right!

In fact Profurl and Facnor are now brands of Groupe Wichard, famous for its shackles, etc.,which bought both companies.

 

Jean Boucharlat

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: mardi 6 juillet 2021 17:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Furlers

 

JP,

 

ProFurl on the 50 I was aboard recently.
<image001.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:52 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Ulrich,

 

I’ve been told the A50 uses Facnor furlers 

 

A friend refitted his yacht with some and they work well. 

 

Cheers

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 6/07/2021, at 9:09 PM, Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

 

Peter
Carango

La Rochelle

07836 209730



On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Jean Boucharlat
 

Hello J.P. and Bill,

May be you're both right!

In fact Profurl and Facnor are now brands of Groupe Wichard, famous for its shackles, etc.,which bought both companies.

 

Jean Boucharlat

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: mardi 6 juillet 2021 17:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Furlers

 

JP,

 

ProFurl on the 50 I was aboard recently.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:52 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Ulrich,

 

I’ve been told the A50 uses Facnor furlers 

 

A friend refitted his yacht with some and they work well. 

 

Cheers

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ



On 6/07/2021, at 9:09 PM, Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

 

Peter
Carango

La Rochelle

07836 209730



On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

 

JP,

ProFurl on the 50 I was aboard recently.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:52 AM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Ulrich,

I’ve been told the A50 uses Facnor furlers 

A friend refitted his yacht with some and they work well. 

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 6/07/2021, at 9:09 PM, Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...> wrote:


Hello,

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

Peter
Carango
La Rochelle
07836 209730

On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Ulrich,

I’ve been told the A50 uses Facnor furlers 

A friend refitted his yacht with some and they work well. 

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 6/07/2021, at 9:09 PM, Geo Uhrich <lingeouhr@...> wrote:


Hello,

Can someone tell me what furlers on on the 50?

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:24 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,

We fitted Reckmann too and had no problems during our circumnavigation or after. The Reckmann is very powerful and gives us a great felling of confidence and security - for us well worth the high price. And of course its a beautiful yacht so worth the investment.

Peter
Carango
La Rochelle
07836 209730

On 5 Jul 2021, at 23:18, Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:



Hi Paul,

here our experience with the Bamar furlers.

When we started to do some test sailing with our later Mago del Sur both Bamar furlers did not work. (I have to mention that the boat was totally neglected. It spend some two and a half years without any maintenance.) Within less than 24 hours the boatyard and the broker managed to get and install two brand new Bamar control boxes. Still today I am wondering how they could get two original Bamar control boxes in this short time. After this the genoa furling system did work but it made an horrible noise. The jib furling system produced some smoke signals only so we switched it off.

We bought this poor neglected baby. After we sailed her to Germany we figured out that the housing of the jib furler motor was completely filled with water. The motor was corroded totally. We got a new motor from Bamar and mounted it. The system was working from this moment on, but when we used the jib furler the control box of the jib caused an high voltage alarm after some seconds of use and stopped the system. (We never could proof any high voltage in our board net and we nevr managed ti find the faukt. The unit of the genoa furler was working fine always.) Half a year later the jib furler system broke down again. The belt was wrapped somehow in between the belt drives and one of the wheels was broken off its axis. Impossible to say what happened first.

We decided to change the furling systems completely. Bamar made a very good offer. They gave us an excellent quote of some 13.000 Euros for both the jib an d the genoa furling system (new foils, new motors, new control boxes).

But we could not become friends of these complex control units (what for?) and in my opinion the new mechanic was too complex still.

This is why we bought two Reckmann systems finally. They are a kind of stone age technique. An electric motor, an absolute simple gearbox, no electronics. The only disadvantage was the shocking price: some 30.000 Euros including all installation works and two new stays.

Since we rigged them in June 2017 we never faced any problem.

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40


Re: A54 Refrigeration Water Pump - Brushless Motor Update

Jamie Wendell
 

Oh, by the way, I want to thank Scott on Tengah for his help and encouragement in doing this project. We did collaborate, and I understand he did a similar install based on another solution, but evidently successful in his endeavours.
For those sending me personal emails, I have tried to point back to these postings, rather than duplicating the details.
Again, I am available to help as needed.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Randall Walker
 

I also have the same Reckman/Genoa and Bamar mej1.02/staysail setup on my 54, and have to say the Reckman is top notch.
This was done by the previous owner who invested in quality, throughout.
The staysail furler would be swapped out for the Reckman if ever it fails, or I find one on a wrecked boat being scrapped. But for now I’m happy.

Randall
A54#56
ALBEDO
Grenada



On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 09:52 Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
Just to chime in on this discussion, on my A54, I replaced the original MEJ1.02 on the genoa with a Reckman while in Martinique a couple of years ago. Expensive - yes indeed, but absolutely bulletproof. The original Bamar would not handle high loads and eventually locked up from internal corrosion - even though I had it serviced the year before.
I retained the staysail MEJ1.02 and have had to replace the motor and belt gears since then. It is still grinding a bit and now quite noisy, so it too needs to be serviced. But, it seems to be powerful enough for the job when it works. I really do not like the belt-drive approach, but the staysail is not a major concern to me. I would definitely like a new EFJ but cannot justify the expense at this point. A Reckman for the staysail would be nice, but ouch....
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Amel 54 Furlers

Jamie Wendell
 

Just to chime in on this discussion, on my A54, I replaced the original MEJ1.02 on the genoa with a Reckman while in Martinique a couple of years ago. Expensive - yes indeed, but absolutely bulletproof. The original Bamar would not handle high loads and eventually locked up from internal corrosion - even though I had it serviced the year before.
I retained the staysail MEJ1.02 and have had to replace the motor and belt gears since then. It is still grinding a bit and now quite noisy, so it too needs to be serviced. But, it seems to be powerful enough for the job when it works. I really do not like the belt-drive approach, but the staysail is not a major concern to me. I would definitely like a new EFJ but cannot justify the expense at this point. A Reckman for the staysail would be nice, but ouch....
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: A54 Refrigeration Water Pump - Brushless Motor Update

Jamie Wendell
 

OK, backed by some nice encouragement from Bill I am providing the details needed for those willing to embark on a brushless motor (BLDC) solution for the A54 refrigeration water pump. I am attaching to this thread some installation photos of my system, a schematic showing how it is wired (and the necessary parts), as well as the software code that will allow the system to operate. Please recognize that my system is more complicated than the one others would be installing, as I have a display and some extra features that are not necessary for a basic functional install. Also, the photos show that I have replaced the original Frigoboat pump interface with a set of 3 relays (consistent with the latest solutions provided by Coastal Climate Controls). The Frigoboat E51385 is no longer manufactured, and my unit was acting erratically.

Anyone embarking on this "journey" will need to do the following:
  1. Acquire the parts I show on the schematic, including the VESC, the Flipsky BLDC motor, an Arduino controller w/screw shield to allow strong physical connections, the Elk relay, a 10K ohm potentiometer, and the Tobsun voltage converter.
  2. You will also need a fuse holder w/fuse, a disconnect switch, and some wire etc.
  3. I would recommend that all the components be installed in a plastic box big enough to accommodate everything (at least the VESC and the Arduino controller, which are the "brains" in the system). Since my system is more complicated and has additional parts, I elected to house some items in separate distributed boxes. I may encase the exposed relays at some point in the future to address the potential for corrosion in the engine room, but for now I am good to go. One option I considered was to mount everything in the cabinet above the galley sink, but again my installation would not accommodate all the components. Your installation may allow for that, which would provide the ability to adjust the pump speed in the galley. I do that in the engine room, which is obviously not quite as convenient. Once set, there is no reason to adjust, but I have found it helpful to speed up the pump when I am running the AC pump, given the competition for water in the sea strainer intake.
  4. Wire up everything per my schematic.
  5. Download the Arduino software and load up the attached code.
  6. Download the VESC software (tools) and program the VESC (via the install wizard). This one can be a bit tricky. One important note is that the VESC must be set for "Duty Cycle" control. It will default to "Current" which will NOT work.
  7. Fabricate an aluminum interface plate to mate the BLDC motor to the Frigoboat pump head. This is quite a project, and I had a local machine shop do this work. There are a number of holes required to interface the pump head with the new motor, and I wanted it to be a clean install. This proved to be very expensive, so please consider doing it yourself if you can.
  8. Install the new "pump" adjacent to the standard system to allow for backup if needed - so far the original 12V pump is gathering dust and I hope it continues to do so.
Anyway, enough said for now. I remain available to help anyone adventurous enough to do this project. I found it very satisfying to solve all of the problems on my own and am happy to share that knowledge if I can. And, if anyone is really interested in my extra "bells and whistles" I can show you what I did - only for those willing to do soldering and a lot of extra wiring on the Arduino.

Good luck, but please be advised that there is some "work" involved here.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44

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