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Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direction

 

Thanks, Mohammad. 

Many people think that my book is comprised of my first-hand experiences. It is not. About 20% of the book consists of things that I have learned from others' experiences. In fact, when Thomas first solved this issue, a notation went into my Amel Book. When Doug submitted his bow thruster PDF, it had a perfect photo to go with Thomas's description of the wires. When you posted the photo of the burned contact point, it was added to the same page allowing Thomas's original description to come alive with 2 photos.

The result is here, which I will share with everyone:
The only credit due me is that I put all 3 things together, modifying that page 2 times as more information came to light.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:21 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Thomas;

 

Doug informed me that he remembered seeing a post from you in this regard and Bill managed to locate and forward it. Your write up was also helpful.

 

Bill is great at “soaking in” the knowledge from the group, organizing and accessing it when needed. A great resource for all Amel owners.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 11:31 AM
To: Amel Yacht owners Group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

 

Hi all,

 

That issue happened to us 3 years ago and we reported on the solution here (06/06/18   #40108 ). 

 

 

I would suggest carrying a spare relay as it happened to us again just recently. Note that we don’t use our thruster much, I don’t know if that helped delay the reoccurrence or instead accelerated it. 

 

In our bow thruster, the oem relay is by Albright (sales@...) in the UK (they could only provide model SW202-317 equivalent to SW202-260 installed).

An equivalent relay is available at evdrives.com  in the USA.

 

 

Hope that will help,

 

 

Best, 

Thomas

GARULFO 

A54-122

Tahiti


On 7 Jul 2021, at 03:00, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

 

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

 

How many hours did it take?

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direction

william reynolds
 

The first line of checking for bow thruster problems should be the connections at the back of the control switches at the helm. There are numerous push on connectors that are prone to corrosion. Note that the water run-off from the upper helm area dumps on the port side right on to the bow thruster switches..Most of  my problems with my bow thruster were solved by removing all the push on connectors, cleaning both sides to shiny metal, reconnect and spray with T-9  or CRC  (not WD-40) . Then check for voltage coming out of each switch. There may be other problems down the line but this will eliminate problems with activation.
Bill Reynolds
Cloudstreet SM2K 331


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

If you have to hand steer due to electrical problems, the hand steering is the minor problem.


Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232
Present in Fuengirola, Spain


Skickat från min iPhone

08/07/2021 kl. 11:13 skrev Stéphane Meyer via groups.io <fredolo@...>:



[Edited Message Follows]

All valid comments and thank you for your inputs.

How is it humanly possible to manually steer a boat for 15 or 20 days if you're on your own and for exemple having to deal with a complete electrical failure ? 
I'd like a fail operational system but I know this isn't an airliner and event they sometime fail despite all what is done to achieve redundancy.

However I'd like to do my best not being on my own in the middle of the Pacific Ocean having to manually steer the boat ....

So here we are :
1/ How can we have a backup automatic steering in case of total electrical failure ? I was of course thinking of a wind vane system but I've heard this is not achievable on a SM/SN is that true ?
2/ How can you reasonnably deal with the said situation if you don't have such a backup ? Can you still setup a bungee system which would "steer the boat" while your'e having the little sleep you need not to kill yourself ?


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Stéphane Meyer
 
Edited

All valid comments and thank you for your inputs.

How is it humanly possible to manually steer a boat for 15 or 20 days if you're on your own and for exemple having to deal with a complete electrical failure ? 
I'd like a fail operational system but I know this isn't an airliner and event they sometime fail despite all what is done to achieve redundancy.

However I'd like to do my best not being on my own in the middle of the Pacific Ocean having to manually steer the boat ....

So here we are :
1/ How can we have a backup automatic steering in case of total electrical failure ? I was of course thinking of a wind vane system but I've heard this is not achievable on a SM/SN is that true ?
2/ How can you reasonnably deal with the said situation if you don't have such a backup ? Can you still setup a bungee system which would "steer the boat" while your'e having the little sleep you need not to kill yourself ?


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direction

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Thomas;

 

Doug informed me that he remembered seeing a post from you in this regard and Bill managed to locate and forward it. Your write up was also helpful.

 

Bill is great at “soaking in” the knowledge from the group, organizing and accessing it when needed. A great resource for all Amel owners.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 11:31 AM
To: Amel Yacht owners Group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

 

Hi all,

 

That issue happened to us 3 years ago and we reported on the solution here (06/06/18   #40108 ). 

 

 

I would suggest carrying a spare relay as it happened to us again just recently. Note that we don’t use our thruster much, I don’t know if that helped delay the reoccurrence or instead accelerated it. 

 

In our bow thruster, the oem relay is by Albright (sales@...) in the UK (they could only provide model SW202-317 equivalent to SW202-260 installed).

An equivalent relay is available at evdrives.com  in the USA.

 

 

Hope that will help,

 

 

Best, 

Thomas

GARULFO 

A54-122

Tahiti


On 7 Jul 2021, at 03:00, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

 

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

 

How many hours did it take?

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Eric Freedman
 

Please remember that the boat can be steered by aft autopilot if the cables snap or the rack and pinion lock up.

 

If all else fails, you still have the enormous emergency tiller which some people have used to steer hundreds if not a thousand miles.

 

I was once told that you could stand a super Maramu up on the rudder. I don’t know if that is true- based upon the angle of the ruder stock, however the rudder stock is a beast.

 

Off the Canaries in 2002 we bounced a very big whale off our ruder with no damage to Kimberlite.

It first hit the keel and somehow hit the rudder as the wheel spun crazily as it broke the heim joint at the end of the linear autopilot.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Alain Blanchard
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 5:29 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

 

Hello Stéphane 

 

The concept of dual auto-pilot on my personal point of view is that For long haul trip I am more confortable with a back up. Agree that there is only one rudder but as a former twin engine helicopter Pilot I was more than challenged that there was only one gear box. Anyway never had serious issues with the gear box but some with the engines. Never heard in my humble Amel SM expérience of a rudder loss.

Alain

SM 146/Koriolys 

Envoyé de mon iPhone



Le 7 juil. 2021 à 23:04, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> a écrit :

 My .02 - YMMV 😉

 

 

True redundancy means two completely independent systems…

 

How this is done on a boat with one rudder is different than one with two. 

 

The SM and A54 (one rudder) have redundancy by placing one on the backside of the helm and one at the rudder stock. 

 

I don’t know how the 55 does it. 

 

The 50 and 60 each have two rudders and each has its own completely independent system all the way to two different breaker switches and discreet head units at the helm. 

 

Nothing is completely failure proof…

- get hit by lightning and you can assume all electronics are out 

- all AP systems use power… lose power and assume all auto pilots out 

- on a single rudder boat, lose the rudder and you’re steering with sails.. one benefit of a ketch rig is that this is MUCH easier to do than on a sloop/cutter rig

- on a duel rudder setup (50/60) you can actually lose a rudder and still have one complete AP setup but lose them both and steering with sails will require lots of skill 

 

3rd only to water and sails/standing rigging (for me) would be not losing power. The completely dry bilge of the Amel’s is fantastic as it ensures you’re batteries won’t be destroyed by water ingress. 

 

The generator is a redundant system for power… put enough solar on so that this remains true. 

 

 

 

 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 16:25, Stéphane Meyer via groups.io <fredolo@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please just le me introduce myself quickly,

When I was 16 years old my father's best friend bought a SM brand new from the factory. I was stocked and we sailed onboard his SM around Toulon area in the 90's. Sadly he passed away before he could realize his dream to sail around the world.
I've been playing myself a lot with the idea and for me there is only one brand I would ever consider ...Amel. I just love so many things about these boats and I think you have to really love a boat considering what it takes to maintain it.
I'm not boat shopping yet, but will be within the next five years.

One question I always ask myself. Please forgive me being so clueless but I never owned myself a boat equipped with an autopilot system.

As an airline pilot I want redundancy for all the critical systems. On a boat especially solo, I guess the critical systems are the rudder, the AP system, at least one sail, water and food.

Could someone explain me properly how to achieve REAL redundancy in the AP system ? 

How does that work on a SM ?
Is the dual AP installed really fully redundant and would you go solo across an ocean on a standard equipped SM ? What about total electrical failure ?
Same question for the SN. How is it equipped ? Single or dual AP ?

What about the wind vane installation or another backup directly on the wheel ?

Thank you for sharing what you know about it.


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Alain Blanchard <akdf85@...>
 

Hello Stéphane 

The concept of dual auto-pilot on my personal point of view is that For long haul trip I am more confortable with a back up. Agree that there is only one rudder but as a former twin engine helicopter Pilot I was more than challenged that there was only one gear box. Anyway never had serious issues with the gear box but some with the engines. Never heard in my humble Amel SM expérience of a rudder loss.
Alain
SM 146/Koriolys 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 7 juil. 2021 à 23:04, Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> a écrit :

 My .02 - YMMV 😉


True redundancy means two completely independent systems…

How this is done on a boat with one rudder is different than one with two. 

The SM and A54 (one rudder) have redundancy by placing one on the backside of the helm and one at the rudder stock. 

I don’t know how the 55 does it. 

The 50 and 60 each have two rudders and each has its own completely independent system all the way to two different breaker switches and discreet head units at the helm. 

Nothing is completely failure proof…
- get hit by lightning and you can assume all electronics are out 
- all AP systems use power… lose power and assume all auto pilots out 
- on a single rudder boat, lose the rudder and you’re steering with sails.. one benefit of a ketch rig is that this is MUCH easier to do than on a sloop/cutter rig
- on a duel rudder setup (50/60) you can actually lose a rudder and still have one complete AP setup but lose them both and steering with sails will require lots of skill 

3rd only to water and sails/standing rigging (for me) would be not losing power. The completely dry bilge of the Amel’s is fantastic as it ensures you’re batteries won’t be destroyed by water ingress. 

The generator is a redundant system for power… put enough solar on so that this remains true. 





On Jul 7, 2021, at 16:25, Stéphane Meyer via groups.io <fredolo@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please just le me introduce myself quickly,

When I was 16 years old my father's best friend bought a SM brand new from the factory. I was stocked and we sailed onboard his SM around Toulon area in the 90's. Sadly he passed away before he could realize his dream to sail around the world.
I've been playing myself a lot with the idea and for me there is only one brand I would ever consider ...Amel. I just love so many things about these boats and I think you have to really love a boat considering what it takes to maintain it.
I'm not boat shopping yet, but will be within the next five years.

One question I always ask myself. Please forgive me being so clueless but I never owned myself a boat equipped with an autopilot system.

As an airline pilot I want redundancy for all the critical systems. On a boat especially solo, I guess the critical systems are the rudder, the AP system, at least one sail, water and food.

Could someone explain me properly how to achieve REAL redundancy in the AP system ? 

How does that work on a SM ?
Is the dual AP installed really fully redundant and would you go solo across an ocean on a standard equipped SM ? What about total electrical failure ?
Same question for the SN. How is it equipped ? Single or dual AP ?

What about the wind vane installation or another backup directly on the wheel ?

Thank you for sharing what you know about it.


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Justin Maguire
 

My .02 - YMMV 😉


True redundancy means two completely independent systems…

How this is done on a boat with one rudder is different than one with two. 

The SM and A54 (one rudder) have redundancy by placing one on the backside of the helm and one at the rudder stock. 

I don’t know how the 55 does it. 

The 50 and 60 each have two rudders and each has its own completely independent system all the way to two different breaker switches and discreet head units at the helm. 

Nothing is completely failure proof…
- get hit by lightning and you can assume all electronics are out 
- all AP systems use power… lose power and assume all auto pilots out 
- on a single rudder boat, lose the rudder and you’re steering with sails.. one benefit of a ketch rig is that this is MUCH easier to do than on a sloop/cutter rig
- on a duel rudder setup (50/60) you can actually lose a rudder and still have one complete AP setup but lose them both and steering with sails will require lots of skill 

3rd only to water and sails/standing rigging (for me) would be not losing power. The completely dry bilge of the Amel’s is fantastic as it ensures you’re batteries won’t be destroyed by water ingress. 

The generator is a redundant system for power… put enough solar on so that this remains true. 





On Jul 7, 2021, at 16:25, Stéphane Meyer via groups.io <fredolo@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please just le me introduce myself quickly,

When I was 16 years old my father's best friend bought a SM brand new from the factory. I was stocked and we sailed onboard his SM around Toulon area in the 90's. Sadly he passed away before he could realize his dream to sail around the world.
I've been playing myself a lot with the idea and for me there is only one brand I would ever consider ...Amel. I just love so many things about these boats and I think you have to really love a boat considering what it takes to maintain it.
I'm not boat shopping yet, but will be within the next five years.

One question I always ask myself. Please forgive me being so clueless but I never owned myself a boat equipped with an autopilot system.

As an airline pilot I want redundancy for all the critical systems. On a boat especially solo, I guess the critical systems are the rudder, the AP system, at least one sail, water and food.

Could someone explain me properly how to achieve REAL redundancy in the AP system ? 

How does that work on a SM ?
Is the dual AP installed really fully redundant and would you go solo across an ocean on a standard equipped SM ? What about total electrical failure ?
Same question for the SN. How is it equipped ? Single or dual AP ?

What about the wind vane installation or another backup directly on the wheel ?

Thank you for sharing what you know about it.


Re: Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, just remember that unlike an aircraft a boat wont fall out of the sky if the auto pilot fails, manual steering remains which I guess, while inconvenient, is the fail safe fall back redundancy.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 July 2021 at 08:25 "Stéphane Meyer via groups.io" <fredolo@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please just le me introduce myself quickly,

When I was 16 years old my father's best friend bought a SM brand new from the factory. I was stocked and we sailed onboard his SM around Toulon area in the 90's. Sadly he passed away before he could realize his dream to sail around the world.
I've been playing myself a lot with the idea and for me there is only one brand I would ever consider ...Amel. I just love so many things about these boats and I think you have to really love a boat considering what it takes to maintain it.
I'm not boat shopping yet, but will be within the next five years.

One question I always ask myself. Please forgive me being so clueless but I never owned myself a boat equipped with an autopilot system.

As an airline pilot I want redundancy for all the critical systems. On a boat especially solo, I guess the critical systems are the rudder, the AP system, at least one sail, water and food.

Could someone explain me properly how to achieve REAL redundancy in the AP system ? 

How does that work on a SM ?
Is the dual AP installed really fully redundant and would you go solo across an ocean on a standard equipped SM ? What about total electrical failure ?
Same question for the SN. How is it equipped ? Single or dual AP ?

What about the wind vane installation or another backup directly on the wheel ?

Thank you for sharing what you know about it.


Self introduction and question about autopilot redundancy and solo sailing

Stéphane Meyer
 

Hello,

Please just le me introduce myself quickly,

When I was 16 years old my father's best friend bought a SM brand new from the factory. I was stocked and we sailed onboard his SM around Toulon area in the 90's. Sadly he passed away before he could realize his dream to sail around the world.
I've been playing myself a lot with the idea and for me there is only one brand I would ever consider ...Amel. I just love so many things about these boats and I think you have to really love a boat considering what it takes to maintain it.
I'm not boat shopping yet, but will be within the next five years.

One question I always ask myself. Please forgive me being so clueless but I never owned myself a boat equipped with an autopilot system.

As an airline pilot I want redundancy for all the critical systems. On a boat especially solo, I guess the critical systems are the rudder, the AP system, at least one sail, water and food.

Could someone explain me properly how to achieve REAL redundancy in the AP system ? 

How does that work on a SM ?
Is the dual AP installed really fully redundant and would you go solo across an ocean on a standard equipped SM ? What about total electrical failure ?
Same question for the SN. How is it equipped ? Single or dual AP ?

What about the wind vane installation or another backup directly on the wheel ?

Thank you for sharing what you know about it.


Re: Electrician Recommendation

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Richie,
I am in Greece (Kilada) and 
i just upgraded my A54 with Lithium batteries myself, with Victron batteries.
Everything works fine.
No issue.
Best
Dominique


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

That issue happened to us 3 years ago and we reported on the solution here (06/06/18   #40108 ). 


I would suggest carrying a spare relay as it happened to us again just recently. Note that we don’t use our thruster much, I don’t know if that helped delay the reoccurrence or instead accelerated it. 

In our bow thruster, the oem relay is by Albright (sales@...) in the UK (they could only provide model SW202-317 equivalent to SW202-260 installed).
An equivalent relay is available at evdrives.com  in the USA.


Hope that will help,


Best, 
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahiti

On 7 Jul 2021, at 03:00, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

How many hours did it take?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: Air Conditioning issues

 

This is great news...wishing you the best.

FYI, maybe a start capacitor is out of spec, slightly increasing the start-up burst of power it is supposed to give. There are a number of suspects, but the easiest to get to is the start capacitors on the Climma pumps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:33 PM John Clanton <clanton@...> wrote:

Quick update on the Air Conditioning issue:

 

The breaker broke, that is clear.  It would not reset under power, it would not reset without power, and it would not reset once physically removed from the box.  Luckily, there is a fairly large marine electrics shop about a block away from the marina and they were able to order a replacement for me.

 

Educational note:  The young guy in the electrics shop tried to sell me a similar breaker with the same amp rating, but it had a different model number.  When I questioned him about the different model number (his English was just slightly better than my poor French), he shrugged his shoulders and said it must be that the broken one was older.  I was not satisfied.  He enlisted the advice of the master, who spoke no English at all, and he confirmed that what the young lad was trying to sell me was a “standard” breaker, and that I needed a “demurrage” (delay) breaker. 

 

At least in my boat, the breaker needed for the Air Conditioning system has a delay feature to accommodate short bursts of current required at pump/motor/compressor start up.  These are Schneider brand breakers manufactured in France and I have several C16 breakers, but the Climma system has a D16 breaker.  I do not know what the “C” stands for, but apparently the “D” stands for demurrage, the “16” indicates the amperage rating.  As I understand it, the Climma system has a seawater pump, a compressor, and a cold water closed circuit pump, all controlled by an e-brain.  Each of them have a different trigger to turn on and off depending on load.

 

All that being said, the system has been working perfectly for 24+ hours since installing the new breaker, but I have asked the local Climma rep to come by and give the system a once over to see what amps are being pulled by each component as I suspect the breaker didn’t just fail on its own.  I am happy that I could swap out one component and fix everything, but I suspect I only addressed a symptom and that the underlying issue is waiting for an inopportune time to show itself again.  BTW, any entrepreneurs who are looking for their next project, I suggest breakers, there is big money in breakers.

 

If further investigation yields more data, I will share it with the group, otherwise consider the problem solved.  Now on to the Orca Issue…..

 

 

Many thanks to all for suggestions,

 

John W. Clanton

S/V DEVEREUX, A55 No. 65

rehydrating in Antibes, France



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Re: Air Conditioning issues

John Clanton
 

Quick update on the Air Conditioning issue:

 

The breaker broke, that is clear.  It would not reset under power, it would not reset without power, and it would not reset once physically removed from the box.  Luckily, there is a fairly large marine electrics shop about a block away from the marina and they were able to order a replacement for me.

 

Educational note:  The young guy in the electrics shop tried to sell me a similar breaker with the same amp rating, but it had a different model number.  When I questioned him about the different model number (his English was just slightly better than my poor French), he shrugged his shoulders and said it must be that the broken one was older.  I was not satisfied.  He enlisted the advice of the master, who spoke no English at all, and he confirmed that what the young lad was trying to sell me was a “standard” breaker, and that I needed a “demurrage” (delay) breaker. 

 

At least in my boat, the breaker needed for the Air Conditioning system has a delay feature to accommodate short bursts of current required at pump/motor/compressor start up.  These are Schneider brand breakers manufactured in France and I have several C16 breakers, but the Climma system has a D16 breaker.  I do not know what the “C” stands for, but apparently the “D” stands for demurrage, the “16” indicates the amperage rating.  As I understand it, the Climma system has a seawater pump, a compressor, and a cold water closed circuit pump, all controlled by an e-brain.  Each of them have a different trigger to turn on and off depending on load.

 

All that being said, the system has been working perfectly for 24+ hours since installing the new breaker, but I have asked the local Climma rep to come by and give the system a once over to see what amps are being pulled by each component as I suspect the breaker didn’t just fail on its own.  I am happy that I could swap out one component and fix everything, but I suspect I only addressed a symptom and that the underlying issue is waiting for an inopportune time to show itself again.  BTW, any entrepreneurs who are looking for their next project, I suggest breakers, there is big money in breakers.

 

If further investigation yields more data, I will share it with the group, otherwise consider the problem solved.  Now on to the Orca Issue…..

 

 

Many thanks to all for suggestions,

 

John W. Clanton

S/V DEVEREUX, A55 No. 65

rehydrating in Antibes, France



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Re: Again a question about yacht insurance

Arno Luijten
 

In the end I got a really nice insurance from a renowned Dutch insurance company. They do limit themselves to Dutch customers and Dutch registered vessels so not really for most of the people here.

I also got an offer from Edward William insurances that looked good on paper but failed my background check on both the broker as the underwriter (ION Insurances, Costa Rica). Looking at their 2019 financial report I decided this was not for me.
I also received an offer from Pantaenius Germany but that was stupid expensive for getting hurricane coverage for Curacao. Tried some others as well but most scare away from hurricane risks even outside the known hurricane paths.

Thanks to all that have responded

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Electrician Recommendation

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Folks
Finally, two years after purchase, Why Knot formerly Guma will receive some hands on love from her new owners. She is on the hard in Kos Marina, Greece. One of our first tasks is to repower her. We want to do a LiFePO4 upgrade but before going down the DIY route I thought I would check if anyone recommend a good electrician in Greece who has that sort of experience or failing that someone who is precise, neat and safety oriented in the work that they do?

Many thanks

Richie

Why Knot, SM2K #261 Kos, Greece


Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

 

I am glad it worked out and thanks for the photos. I was aware that this solution worked on at least two cases, but did not have the benefit of such exacting photos.

I am thinking that the life of this relay is probably about 10 - 12 years and if an owner has one in this age range disconnection from the motor, cleaning, and inspection is probably in order.

How many hours did it take?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Dean

Interesting indeed.

Are they just playing, might be, but they are also territorial, highly sensitive and very intelligent.


Here is a link to a presentation by the local orca researcher near Barbate Ruth Esteban.

Ruths answer is "we do not know what is causing this disruptive behaviour"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKwtzBUxBk8


Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348 @ Porto Portugal





Op 07-07-2021 om 00:54 schreef Dean Davenport:

Interesting article (link below) on the subject of recent Orca attacks on boats off Spain and Portugal that I thought you may find interesting.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2020/11/15/killer-whales-attacking-boats-for-fun/

Kind Regards

Dean
Prospective Amel owner



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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 5:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Hi Stefan, you must be very relaxed people for that not to be frightening. Your comment about the agreed course is very interesting, likewise being escorted out of their area. I was once herded away from a big pod of big dolphins by two of the largest. There were quite a number of young with the pod. The two herders would let us within 500 meters of the main pod. Obviously we were sensitive to their behaviour and read what they expected of us. Perhaps you have identified what is going on with these Orca, and what needs to be done to avoid damage. Perhaps rapid interpretation of their "requirements of us" may avoid the worst damage????.
There is a scientist, Ingrid Visser, in New Zealand who has made a lifetime study of Orca. I will contact her and see what she may know about this sort of behaviour.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 06 July 2021 at 03:13 Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:


Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a
lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course
of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart
has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely.
That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”…
😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:

Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal















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Re: Bow thruster does not work in one direvtion

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Our first solution of just cleaning the control box, turned out to be a coincidental repair. The Bow Thruster did work for a few days and then stopped working in one direction again. After some research and assistance from the group, especially Doug Smith of Aventura and Bill Rouse, we narrowed down the issue to the main bowthruster relay. Yesterday we opened it up for inspection. The exterior of the relay was pristine, but found what is shown in the attached pictures. Some material has been physically transferred, from a process similar to welding, from some of the contacts in the relay, to the opposing contact in the relay. After a thorough cleaning of the buildup on th econtacts and other surfaces using wire brushers and application of CorrosionX to the springs, we have a fully operational Bowthruster. Now need to order a new one, as I don't believe we have as good a connection when the relay activates, due to the uneven surfaces of the contacts created by the arching that has been going on for a while. Thanks for all the shared knowledge.


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Dean Davenport
 

Interesting article (link below) on the subject of recent Orca attacks on boats off Spain and Portugal that I thought you may find interesting.

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2020/11/15/killer-whales-attacking-boats-for-fun/

Kind Regards

Dean
Prospective Amel owner

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 5:32 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F...

Hi Stefan, you must be very relaxed people for that not to be frightening. Your comment about the agreed course is very interesting, likewise being escorted out of their area. I was once herded away from a big pod of big dolphins by two of the largest. There were quite a number of young with the pod. The two herders would let us within 500 meters of the main pod. Obviously we were sensitive to their behaviour and read what they expected of us. Perhaps you have identified what is going on with these Orca, and what needs to be done to avoid damage. Perhaps rapid interpretation of their "requirements of us" may avoid the worst damage????.
There is a scientist, Ingrid Visser, in New Zealand who has made a lifetime study of Orca. I will contact her and see what she may know about this sort of behaviour.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 06 July 2021 at 03:13 Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:


Thanks for your answer,


Actually it was not frighting at all and we enjoyed this once in a
lifetime close encounter.

The second hour we (= the orcas and the helmsman) "agreed" on a course
of 280 and the group escorted us out of their territory.

I felt they where treating us gently and it is probably just one thart
has the strange habit of biting off chunks of rudders....


Almost the same happened to the mentioned couple in Gibraltar.


All is good,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #348 @ currently at Cabo Vincente Portugal


Op 05-07-2021 om 15:59 schreef Justin Maguire:
This is. On the third Amel I know if that has had its rudders destroyed… WHAT THE HELL!?!!

I hope you are ok and we’re able to makekk no it to port safely.
That sounds frightening… especially them “pushing the boat around”…
😳

Cheers,
-Justin
On Jul 5, 2021, at 10:50, Stefan Jeukendrup <sjeukendrup@eegtech.com> wrote:

Warning:


Yesterday on the 100m line between Barbate and de strait of Gibraltar we where targeted by 3 orcas and a young.

We spoke to another couple in Gibraltar that just experienced the same, they came from the Azores.


The group orcas entertained us for 2 hours by pushing the boat around in circles and at the same time they bit off the lower section of the rudder.

Rudder is still functional but anodes and the surounding fiberglass are gone.


Does anyone know wether it is possible to remove the rudder of a Supermaramu 2000 in the water?


Thank you in advance for your help,


Stefan Jeukendrup

SM2k #345 @Cabo Vincente Portugal


















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considered reliable, Bell Potter Securities Limited, its directors,
employees and consultants do not represent, warrant or guarantee,
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is complete or accurate.
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