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Re: Intermittent starting issue

Eric Freedman
 

Pat ,

Just look at the connector at the battery. If it is corroded simply change the cables. It is an inexpensive and quick fix.

Just Make sure to use tinned wire, I used 1 gauge not 1/o with closed ends lugs . They are closed at the battery end and not subject to the fumes from the battery.

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 7:12 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] POSSIBLE SOLUTION Intermittent starting issue

 

Eric, I had not thought about the condition of the cables as a source of my problem. I will cut back a cable and see what the condition is. My boat is a bit older than yours ,so that could be it. I need to resolve this before it gets me into a serious situation .The Scotchkote looks like good stuff.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

Sassafras River, Md.

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2021 6:46 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] POSSIBLE SOLUTION Intermittent starting issue

Over the last 5 or so years I have encountered this intermittent problem.

With a new engine totally rewired by me and all new panel and wiring I assumed the problem was solved.

 

However, it was not. I found that Amel used welding wire and not tinned wire from the starting battery and the main switches. Additionally , the lugs that they used were open at the terminal end. Thus, allowing the battery acid laden air to enter the wire, When I cut the wire open, I found that it was corroded for almost 2 feet from the battery.-which causes a lot of resistance . The voltage at the starter motor was + or – 11 volts.

The Valeo solenoid is rather sensitive to low voltage.

 

Upon further inspection of the cabled from the starting battery to the vapor barrier connector was a completely different color than the wire outside the battery box.

 

I replaced the cables and used closed end connectors on the cables. I also soldered the cables to the connectors after crimping them. I then applied Scotchcote,  

 

 

which is used on many underground connections.

Now the engine starts and stops like a charm. I also noted that the generator starts much more quickly.

 

While I was in the battery box, I noted that the common lugs posts for all the batteries were somewhat corroded. I loosened the nuts and applied corrosion x in between the lugs. My next project is to replace all the battery cables.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Mold between cushion and chest freezer on 55

ngtnewington Newington
 

On Amelia there is a void built in to the bench, so the bottom cushion stays dry.
The back rest however is Velcro’d to the bulkhead with no void and it gets damp from the galley chest fridge. It would be possible to make a narrow void though.


The insulation is clearly not great. 
The way to go is to build new insulated boxes using vacuum panels but it would be quite a project….one that I am not in a hurry to do but maybe one day…
Nick
SY Amelia 
AML 54-019
Sailing Sporades GR

On 17 Jul 2021, at 13:54, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:



Try living in the tropics with your Amel. You will find this annoyance on daily basis.  We remove the cushion during the night to allow the moisture to evaporate.
There is a 40+ degree Celsius temperature gap between the outside and the inside of the freezer. The design and materials used are not able to prevent condensation of the moisture in the air at the rim and the top of the freezer-lid.
Solving this problem is a major undertaking as you need to improve the insulation of the lid big time.
By taking off the cushion during the night the problem becomes manageable. That is what I do and I know several other Amel owners do. 


Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Pacific Crossing 2022

karkauai
 

Hi Juan,
Iris and I hope to transit the Canal next Spring, spend at least a few weeks on Panama's and Costa Rica's Western shores, then sail to Ecuador. We are thinking that we'll leave the boat there and spend a month or two exploring S America before going to Galapagos and beyond.  World travel is going to be Covid-crazy for at least another year, I suspect, so who knows how our plans will really come together.  It would be fun to share thoughts, or even to buddy-boat all or part of the way.

You and others interested can contact us at
karkauai "at" yahoo "dot" com

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: In Mast Furling

 

Alan,

You are one of the best Amel owners I know with extensive knowledge and extremely experienced. Your knowledge and experience are far beyond the average sailor. A large portion of my SM & 54 clients who have mainsail battens have experienced issues from torn or chafed sails to fractured and broken foils. And, this always seems to happen with unexpected weather with a rush to furl. Many of the Amel mainsails I have seen with battens use a 25mm wide batten, some like the one in the photo I posted earlier are 14mm. There have been more issues with the 25mm batten than the 14mm, but as you can see in my photo, the 14mm verticle batten also jams, twists, and breaks.

I believe the biggest issue is that none of us want to be mid-ocean with a sail fouled because of verticle battens, when, at best, battens are going to possibly improve your 3000-mile passage by hours, not days. I believe the risk of an issue increases with the lack of experience, but even the experienced sailor may have an issue caused by vertical battens in a furling sail. I firmly believe that the risk of an incident on an ocean passage is not worth the reward of arriving a few hours early. 

That said, if the Amel owner sails his Amel competitively, even if he competes only with himself, vertical battens will give that owner an edge that will be measured in tenths of a knot.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:08 PM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

This is what can happen if the mainsail is not furled properly.
It's not the batten's fault.
This batten has been twisted around the mast foil and consequently broke.
It got twisted and broke  because the boom wasn't level when furling, much more than just once.
We have short vertical battens in our Deme Voiles (sadly out of business) hydranet mainsail and in 8 years we haven't broken one.
It's like anything on a boat (or in life), if you don't learn to do it properly you will create problems that can turn into disasters.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: In Mast Furling

Alan Leslie
 
Edited

This is what can happen if the mainsail is not furled properly.
It's not the batten's fault.
This batten has been twisted around the mast foil and consequently broke.
It got twisted and broke  because the boom wasn't level when furling, much more than just once.
We have short vertical battens in our Deme Voiles (sadly out of business) hydranet mainsail and in 8 years we haven't broken one.
It's like anything on a boat (or in life), if you don't learn to do it properly you will create problems that can turn into disasters.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Pacific Crossing 2022

Juan de Zulueta
 

This is indeed good information.
I will contact the agent in Panama 🇵🇦 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 17 juil. 2021 à 19:06, Leopold Hauer via groups.io <leopold.hauer@...> a écrit :



Hello Juan,

 

we had Roy Bravo from Emmanuel Agencies as an agent for the Panama Canal and can really recommend him. His linehandlers are very experienced too.

emmanuelagencies@...

 

We liked Shelter Bay marina very much,  safe and great atmosphere, we stayed there a few weeks and also had our SM on the hard while we went home during rainy season.

 

Since we went to FP via Ecuador we don’t have  current informations concerning Galapagos.

 

The only real haul out facility in the Marquesas is on Hiva Oa:

direction@...

But I doubt that they can  handle a SM, noonsite says ‘up to 42 ft’.

 

You would have to leave the boat in Tahiti or Raiatea. Tahiti city Marina is wonderful ( no dry dock though), you would have to write them and negotiate prices.

In Raiatea there is 

https://www.raiateacarenage.com

where you can leave the boat on the hard.

 

 

http://www.tahiticruisersguide.com

could be very helpful to you. 

 

You should also  join the Facebook-group “French Poly Cruisers”- they are very active and can give you any kind of current information.

 

Good luck and best regards,

 

Leo Hauer

Yin Yang SM 69 In Fiji

I am at home in austria


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 17.07.2021 um 10:15 schrieb Juan de Zulueta via groups.io <jdezulueta@...>:



Our boat is currently in Carriacou, Grenada innTyrell bay marina until October. We are planning to cross the Pacific Ocean via Panama and Galapagos with another Amel boat friend around May 2022. 

i have a few questions :

- I would like to know if other members of this group have similar plans ? Interested to sha

- some of you might have crossed recently and want to share experience regarding Panama crossing (agent recommendation), Galapagos…
- in Marquises , there is a boatyard called Maintenance Marquises, is this boatyard suitable for a super Maramu? In Polynesia where would you leave your boat for a couple of month to be able to come back home ? In December and or in July August?

look forward to read from you.

--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: Pacific Crossing 2022

Leopold Hauer
 

Hello Juan,

 

we had Roy Bravo from Emmanuel Agencies as an agent for the Panama Canal and can really recommend him. His linehandlers are very experienced too.

emmanuelagencies@...

 

We liked Shelter Bay marina very much,  safe and great atmosphere, we stayed there a few weeks and also had our SM on the hard while we went home during rainy season.

 

Since we went to FP via Ecuador we don’t have  current informations concerning Galapagos.

 

The only real haul out facility in the Marquesas is on Hiva Oa:

direction@...

But I doubt that they can  handle a SM, noonsite says ‘up to 42 ft’.

 

You would have to leave the boat in Tahiti or Raiatea. Tahiti city Marina is wonderful ( no dry dock though), you would have to write them and negotiate prices.

In Raiatea there is 

https://www.raiateacarenage.com

where you can leave the boat on the hard.

 

 

http://www.tahiticruisersguide.com

could be very helpful to you. 

 

You should also  join the Facebook-group “French Poly Cruisers”- they are very active and can give you any kind of current information.

 

Good luck and best regards,

 

Leo Hauer

Yin Yang SM 69 In Fiji

I am at home in austria


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 17.07.2021 um 10:15 schrieb Juan de Zulueta via groups.io <jdezulueta@...>:



Our boat is currently in Carriacou, Grenada innTyrell bay marina until October. We are planning to cross the Pacific Ocean via Panama and Galapagos with another Amel boat friend around May 2022. 

i have a few questions :

- I would like to know if other members of this group have similar plans ? Interested to sha

- some of you might have crossed recently and want to share experience regarding Panama crossing (agent recommendation), Galapagos…
- in Marquises , there is a boatyard called Maintenance Marquises, is this boatyard suitable for a super Maramu? In Polynesia where would you leave your boat for a couple of month to be able to come back home ? In December and or in July August?

look forward to read from you.

--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: In Mast Furling

 

Yes, I have owned both. Amel makes their own in-house-designed masts. Beneteau buys off-the-shelf masts from the lowest bidder. Amel designed its electric and manual furling system. 

The SM didn't originally have battens and hopefully the one that you are buying does not have vertical battens. If it does, let me know. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 11:00 AM Eric Forster <eforster70@...> wrote:
currently looking at a 2004 SM 2000. The only other inmast furling that I have been on was in a Beneteau, do they use a different furlying system?


Re: In Mast Furling

Eric Forster
 

currently looking at a 2004 SM 2000. The only other inmast furling that I have been on was in a Beneteau, do they use a different furlying system?


Re: Pacific Crossing 2022

Ben Driver
 

On Jul 17, 2021, at 1:15 AM, Juan de Zulueta via groups.io <jdezulueta@...> wrote:



Our boat is currently in Carriacou, Grenada innTyrell bay marina until October. We are planning to cross the Pacific Ocean via Panama and Galapagos with another Amel boat friend around May 2022. 

i have a few questions :

- I would like to know if other members of this group have similar plans ? Interested to sha

- some of you might have crossed recently and want to share experience regarding Panama crossing (agent recommendation), Galapagos…
- in Marquises , there is a boatyard called Maintenance Marquises, is this boatyard suitable for a super Maramu? In Polynesia where would you leave your boat for a couple of month to be able to come back home ? In December and or in July August?

look forward to read from you.

--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: In Mast Furling

 

There is one more potential issue, but you did not state which Amel model, nor did you state if your Amel mainsail has battens.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 5:54 AM Juan de Zulueta via groups.io <jdezulueta=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric,

the in Mast Furling is not a problem but a big advantage of the Super Maramu since it helps you to steer your boat from the cockpit alone in all see conditions.
we have been sailing with my wife since 1999 on on Santorin and now a Super Maramu across the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean with no problem at all.
it just require a bit of practice and Caution.
Don’t hesitate to buy this fantastic boat !

best regards
--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32
Carriacou, Grenada


Re: Sidepower oil loss

 

The issue I see is if the lower unit loses oil, you will not know it unless you have this oil reservoir installed. The only part that I have not identified is the hose barb that screws into the top of the lower unit replacing a plug.

The Oil Container Reservoir Bottle with Holder from Sleipner Side-Power is part number 200300 and the SidePower Hose and Clamps is part number 200400. I have wondered why Amel stopped installing this beginning with later model 54s. 
Even if you do not use SidePower's parts, an oil reservoir should be simple to install.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 2:13 PM Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Alexander, 
I had the same problem. There was a leak on the small plastic tank, i remove it and put another one.
Dominique
Irko A54#16


Re: Intermittent starting issue

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, I had not thought about the condition of the cables as a source of my problem. I will cut back a cable and see what the condition is. My boat is a bit older than yours ,so that could be it. I need to resolve this before it gets me into a serious situation .The Scotchkote looks like good stuff.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2021 6:46 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] POSSIBLE SOLUTION Intermittent starting issue

Over the last 5 or so years I have encountered this intermittent problem.
With a new engine totally rewired by me and all new panel and wiring I assumed the problem was solved.
 
However, it was not. I found that Amel used welding wire and not tinned wire from the starting battery and the main switches. Additionally , the lugs that they used were open at the terminal end. Thus, allowing the battery acid laden air to enter the wire, When I cut the wire open, I found that it was corroded for almost 2 feet from the battery.-which causes a lot of resistance . The voltage at the starter motor was + or – 11 volts.
The Valeo solenoid is rather sensitive to low voltage.
 
Upon further inspection of the cabled from the starting battery to the vapor barrier connector was a completely different color than the wire outside the battery box.
 
I replaced the cables and used closed end connectors on the cables. I also soldered the cables to the connectors after crimping them. I then applied Scotchcote,  
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_LB/p/d/v000260989/ 
 
 
which is used on many underground connections.
Now the engine starts and stops like a charm. I also noted that the generator starts much more quickly.
 
While I was in the battery box, I noted that the common lugs posts for all the batteries were somewhat corroded. I loosened the nuts and applied corrosion x in between the lugs. My next project is to replace all the battery cables.
 
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
 
 
 


Re: In Mast Furling

Juan de Zulueta
 

Eric,

the in Mast Furling is not a problem but a big advantage of the Super Maramu since it helps you to steer your boat from the cockpit alone in all see conditions.
we have been sailing with my wife since 1999 on on Santorin and now a Super Maramu across the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean with no problem at all.
it just require a bit of practice and Caution.
Don’t hesitate to buy this fantastic boat !

best regards
--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32
Carriacou, Grenada


Re: Mold between cushion and chest freezer on 55

Arno Luijten
 

Try living in the tropics with your Amel. You will find this annoyance on daily basis.  We remove the cushion during the night to allow the moisture to evaporate.
There is a 40+ degree Celsius temperature gap between the outside and the inside of the freezer. The design and materials used are not able to prevent condensation of the moisture in the air at the rim and the top of the freezer-lid.
Solving this problem is a major undertaking as you need to improve the insulation of the lid big time.
By taking off the cushion during the night the problem becomes manageable. That is what I do and I know several other Amel owners do. 


Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: In Mast Furling

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eric , 
I would not hesitate to use an Amel main furler . We have done so in both a Maramu (5 years ) and an SM (21). Close to 100,000 miles . Often abused , including furling a partly reefed main sailing in the south Atlantic  with the wind from 130 degrees when the wind went instantly from 40 to 60 knots . No question then of turning head to wind so we just pressed the two buttons and the sail disappeared into the mast . 
I don’t recommend that you try to replicate those conditions but it  worked .

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 , Kilada , Greece


On 17 Jul 2021, at 03:54, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



Eric,

 

Just about every new Amel owner jams their main sail during the first months of ownership. Me included – more than once – because I like being an over-achiever. The good news is the sail will furl but will not unfurl if you don’t pay attention to the furling orientation. So this means, no going up the mast in the ocean. If you can’t get the sail out, just use the jib and mizzen sail. The mizzen has never jammed on me.

 

The key to the furling is to point to windward, and while furling the main, keep just a small amount of tension on the outhaul (not too much) with the boom level and fastened. At first, perhaps furling a couple of feet at a time until you get used to the motors.  

 

If you are trying to pull out the sail and it gets stuck at the top while coming out of the mast, the trick is to turn the furling winch the other way (furling it back into the mast) while keeping the outhaul tight (but not too tight). Work the furling back and forth a little bit and it will come loose. This is true with both the main and the mizzen mast. On the main sail, do not over strain the motors. If you burn the motor out, it is an expensive mistake. Keep the outhaul snug and slowly furl in and out. It will come loose. Sometimes it will come out a little bit at a time but keep going back and forth and it will all come out. Do not over strain the motor. If it get hot, wait! Let it cool and try again later.

 

If it were me, I would not let this small detail deter me from buying one of the best blue water cruising boats ever built.

 

You asked about the plus side. For us it is never having to leave the cockpit to adjust the sails. One person can very easily reef or shake out a reef from the safety of the helm position.

There is a good thread on this:
https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/33787

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Forster
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] In Mast Furling

 

Ok so here it is. I have been thinking about getting an Amel for quite a while and am about ready to make the leap, but with all things I over think everything. I love the boat, but the inmast furling scares me quite a bit. I have only been on one boat with it and we had issues a couple of the times that we went out. Seeing that I plan on doing the first sail in our new boat from Hawaii to California I am a bit nervous to say the least. Going up the mast in the middle of the Pacific is not my idea of a good time. Just looking to hear from people about their experience with the inmast furling on the Amels, good, bad, and ugley.

Eric


Re: Mold between cushion and chest freezer on 55

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Billy,

 We had the same on our SM.  We resolved it by putting a loose layer of matting on top of the "carpet" finish--- rubbery/plastic, with square holes, the sort of thing you might find on the floor of a shower to stop you slipping.

It's unobtrusive, about 15mm deep and the air circulation through the holes prevents the mould.  

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Billy Newport <billy@...>
Sent: 16 July 2021 21:30
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mold between cushion and chest freezer on 55
 
Hello,
I'm noticing 2 problems on my chest freezer since the heat wave started. My AC was out so it was rather hot in the boat. There is some mold on the "carpet" finish on top of the chest freezer lid, between the chest door and the cushion on top of it. There is also moisture getting between the freezer door and the freezer and there is ice building in that corner on the plate.
We've been spraying down the "carpet" with mold killer but the moisture is new. Any ideas?

Billy (Amel 55#56)


Pacific Crossing 2022

Juan de Zulueta
 

Our boat is currently in Carriacou, Grenada innTyrell bay marina until October. We are planning to cross the Pacific Ocean via Panama and Galapagos with another Amel boat friend around May 2022. 

i have a few questions :

- I would like to know if other members of this group have similar plans ? Interested to sha

- some of you might have crossed recently and want to share experience regarding Panama crossing (agent recommendation), Galapagos…
- in Marquises , there is a boatyard called Maintenance Marquises, is this boatyard suitable for a super Maramu? In Polynesia where would you leave your boat for a couple of month to be able to come back home ? In December and or in July August?

look forward to read from you.

--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: A/C fan speed

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Courtney;

 

We found that if you put the fan on automatic, then the unit adjusts the fan speed such that it will not freeze. When the cabin gets to the desired temperature, the condenser stops and the fan goes to lowest speed and everything is nice and quiet.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A/C fan speed

 

You never really want to run it any slower or it freezes up 

Cheers 

Courtney 

Trippin 



On Jul 16, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

The A/C fan speed in the master cabin does not change and stays at 4, regardless of the setting. I’m suspecting a capacitor issue, but was wondering if anyone has seen a troubleshooting guide that helps pinpoint the issue as to which one, or the controller or something else?


Re: In Mast Furling

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric. I own SM 299. I have never had a jam on the main. I dont have battens. I find the system very forgiving. I just work the two switches to keep the sail off tight as it rolls

 I have never done it but I suspect the biggest cause of jamming would be rolling very loose causing bunching. I find if I overload the motors the breakers pop long before any damage. This is my first in.mast furling. I was a lifetime racer so had a strong predudice against in mast sustems. Now as a cruiser (performance orientated) I would have nothing else. I would never add battens.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 17 July 2021 at 13:50 Eric Forster <eforster70@...> wrote:

Ok so here it is. I have been thinking about getting an Amel for quite a while and am about ready to make the leap, but with all things I over think everything. I love the boat, but the inmast furling scares me quite a bit. I have only been on one boat with it and we had issues a couple of the times that we went out. Seeing that I plan on doing the first sail in our new boat from Hawaii to California I am a bit nervous to say the least. Going up the mast in the middle of the Pacific is not my idea of a good time. Just looking to hear from people about their experience with the inmast furling on the Amels, good, bad, and ugley.

Eric

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