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Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I too have the super wind 350. It has progressive geared self feathering that fully engages in winds over 40 knots. I got 10 years constant use before the bearings wore out and I replaced it. Nil maintenance needed in those 10 years. Also totally quiet and vibration free mounted on top of the mizzen. I have solar as well. Hot and sunny, no wind, solar, cold cloudy and windy, wind. Windy and sunny. Wow Good ballance IMHO.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 20 August 2021 at 23:15 Alain Durante <info@florihana.com> wrote:


Nick,
You should consider the Superwind 350 or 353, which is in my opinion the best wind generator on the market.
The 353 has new features in case of very strong wind.

I will have one soon on my 54.

Cordialement,

Alain Durante
S/Y Meige
AMEL54-021 currently in Antibes, south of France

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Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Wind generators

I thought I would consult the group. A fountain of knowledge for sure.
My recent sailing included some windy conditions in the Cyclades with gusts in excess of 60kn.
My Rutland 1200 wind generators burned out, the braking system could not hold them.
I am fed up with the brand, but I still want one wind generator if not two. I find that on passage they are great especially in windy conditions when the autopilot is working hard. The batteries are full.
I know that solar is better
I know that Lithium is better
But for the moment I want to stick with my AGM’s and I want to stick with wind generators.
I am considering
D400 Wind generator
I am also considering replacing my Solar Innova 265w x 2 panels with LG NeONR 390w panels that are only 10cm longer.
The questions are:
1. Which wind generator is the best?
2. Which brand of solar panel?
Current size 1642 x 994 mm 265w
The LG will fit 1740 x 1042 mm
390w

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML 54-019
Back in Patmos enjoying glorious conditions of 15-20kn, clear water, cool nights.










Re: Primary Rawater Manafold

 

It screws into an Amel-made elbow on an Amel-modified Vetus sea chest. I am not sure, but the threads on the non-modified Vetus sea chest without the Amel-made elbow are 2" BPT


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:40 AM Chris Doucette <amaroksailing@...> wrote:
Does anyone know what the thread size is on this for a late model SM2K (Circled Red) ?  




Chris
Amarok, SM385


Re: Where to buy Corrosion X

James
 

I had a can in my checked in luggage leaving Grenada after delivering a boat from Europe.. got it confiscated. so annoyed! 


Re: #attackedbywhales #newboat WE SOLD THE BOAT! Now what??? Sailing Ocean F... #attackedbywhales #newboat

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hello Stefan,
 
of course we reported the encounter with the orcas to orcasibericas.com. 

From my point of view it is interesting to collect as much information as possible about comparable orca interactions in a standardised form. Therefore, I have created a draft questionnaire that I would like to coordinate with orcasiberica.com. 

My idea is to make the final version of the questionnaire available through the major sailing associations (SSA, RORC, Royal Ocean Cruising Foundation, Trans-Ocean, etc. and of course the internet) in order to obtain data that can be used for valid statistical analysis. I have already discussed this idea with the Trans-Ocean board and they will support the idea. 
Unfortunately, family matters have prevented me from pursuing this idea further in recent weeks, but I hope to be able to continue soon.

By the way (as a landscape architect and environmental engineer) I have to note that it is no good idea to put diesel, petroleum or chlorox into the sea. Protecting the seas and ecosystems should be a main issue to us.

Martin
SV Mago del Sur - 54#40
Alicante, Spain


Re: Primary Rawater Manafold

Chris Doucette
 

Bumping this to see if anyone know those thread sizes?  


Re: Wind generators

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Lovely turn of phase Nick.  Don't we all covet the wind.  Great conversation.

Matt


Re: Wind generators

Nick Newington
 

So it looks like the Superwind from Germany is the best bet, but my mount will need some adjusting.


Just checked out Sunpower 400W solar panels. I have to admit that from a cost benefit analysis there is a lot to be said with doing away with wind generators and investing in better solar. My existing arch will easily accommodate only very slightly larger panels that should produce 50% more power. I will have to adjust a couple of mounting lugs.
In sunny climes this will be more than enough to run everything.

So my thinking is to upgrade the solar and see how we go. If I then still covet wind power I will get it.

Nick
Amelia
AML 54-019
Patmos Gr


On 20 Aug 2021, at 19:07, JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

The previous owner installed a D400. The machine itself is great and smooth.
But...

1) the whole boat vibrates above 20 knots. I since found that 2 out of 4 nuts were missing with no washers (mediocre yard in Port Napoleon).
2) At 30-35 knots the vibrations are close to unbearable. I think it was mounted on a pole that is too high with no support mid way, so the pole enters into resonance 
3) I think it was mounted high to avoid problems with the topping lift. Despite that you have to keep the topping lift super tight otherwise you'll break a blade or two.

The output is mediocre and if it blowing too hard the extra energy is funneled into resistances.

Bottom line, it creates additional complexity in the back of the boat and I am thinking about removing it. The output is not that great compared to solar.
My recommendation: don't buy one, put solar panels in different locations (like on the stern arch and on the cockpit), each with a different controller.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Wind generators

JB Duler
 

The previous owner installed a D400. The machine itself is great and smooth.
But...

1) the whole boat vibrates above 20 knots. I since found that 2 out of 4 nuts were missing with no washers (mediocre yard in Port Napoleon).
2) At 30-35 knots the vibrations are close to unbearable. I think it was mounted on a pole that is too high with no support mid way, so the pole enters into resonance 
3) I think it was mounted high to avoid problems with the topping lift. Despite that you have to keep the topping lift super tight otherwise you'll break a blade or two.

The output is mediocre and if it blowing too hard the extra energy is funneled into resistances.

Bottom line, it creates additional complexity in the back of the boat and I am thinking about removing it. The output is not that great compared to solar.
My recommendation: don't buy one, put solar panels in different locations (like on the stern arch and on the cockpit), each with a different controller.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: VOLVO TMD22 Ext Reg Alternator

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Paul,

Thank you for the insight.  I was not sure if you could modify the Valeo A14N118M alternator to install the external regulator.  That is a great option given the ready availability of the unit.

I have been talking with Balmar, APS and Mastervolt.  Looks like they all have a 2" foot small frame available from 28V/100-140A. However, to your point, all require the pully change to serpentine after you hit 100A due to belt slippage.  It helps that the Balmar regulator seems to be programable to control the soft start up to 3 minutes to limit slippage and wear.  But, that just seems like avoiding wear/tear that will bite me in the ass over open water.  

All the vendors are scratching their heads on the pulley change with the dual alternator installation.  I am not on the boat at the moment so cannot verify if their pulley setup will work, or how the Volvo is setup (single dual V or stacked/bolted dual V, shrouds, bolt sizing, clearance, etc). 

I take your point on the size of the TMD and adding load.   I have not done the loading calculations yet.  Probably should have earlier.  I imagine the parasitic loads have increased significantly given the age of the boat.

Thank you again for your insight.  Much appreciated.

Matt  


Re: VOLVO TMD22 Ext Reg Alternator

Paul Osterberg
 

We did not replaced the original alternator, but installed a Balmar external regulator, very pleased with that, increased the out put, A few years back we were looking at the Victron alternator of 125 or 150 A, but you need a stronger pulley and as well reinforce the fastening. An other issue is a larger alternator demand more Hk from your TMD 22, which I think is already on the low side when going against the wind and waves already at moderate conditions. Further now with plenty of solar and Li cells, we do not need to charge  much with the engine alternator, I have a switch so can turn off the alternator if so desire by opening the field wire, the BMS also open the field if the Li Cells are fully charged
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, now Gran Canaria
 


Re: Wind generators

Ron Hynes
 

I installed a silent wind generator about four years ago and have never been happy with it. The output is minimal and it is anything but silent! At the same time I put on Solara panels and have been extremely pleased with their performance and durability. I only have 300 watts so the maximum output it’s close to 12 A where three or four hours at maximum sun. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:55 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Wind - I always recommend solar. 

I tried for years to get real-life data on any wind generator and found no actual useable data to construct a cost/benefit model. Sure I got the reports like, "one day a month ago we got XXX amps from the wind." Or, "it is always turning."

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:42 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.


Re: Wind generators

 

Wind - I always recommend solar. 

I tried for years to get real-life data on any wind generator and found no actual useable data to construct a cost/benefit model. Sure I got the reports like, "one day a month ago we got XXX amps from the wind." Or, "it is always turning."

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:42 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.


Re: Wind generators

Paul Osterberg
 

Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.


Re: Where to buy Corrosion X

Joerg Esdorn
 

Many thanks everyone!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Re: Wind generators

Joerg Esdorn
 

Another vote for Superwind.  I have had one half way up the mizzen mast since 2018.  it is totally quiet, transmits no vibrations to the mast thanks to the plastic decoupler and withstood the 2018 Medicane with over 45 kn without a problem.  I understand it is installed on a large number of small airports to power landing lights.  Expensive, but worth every penny.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Re: Wind generators

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

I cannot comment on the wind generators due to lack of experience.  I am looking forward to what the group says. 

For the solar panels, be careful focusing too much on the advertised wattage output.  The output is STC (Standard Test Condition) output.  This means it is in the factory in a test lab, at a low temperature, avoiding heat degradation, and using artificial lights to measure solar output.  I valuable measure for quality control, maybe a bit disingenuous on the marketing side.  Note that for marketing purposes you can bump up the advertised output of the panel by adding one row of cells.  Your panel output looks very high compared to others, but your panel dimensions grew by 6-7 inches (15.24 cm, 576 pixels, 0.03 rods).

A more reasonable measure of the output of the panel is NOMT (Nominal Operating Module Temperature).  This test is more accurate for homeowners and cruisers with a set temp of 40-45C and controlled 8000W/m^2 radiation. All this data is on the product datasheet.

With NOMT (sometimes called NOCT), you can calculate output in terms of area W/m^2.  With limited area on our boats, we obviously want to make this number as high as it can be.  This may help you weed many of the panels on the market.  The highest W output per m^2 that I have found in the last 2 weeks of research is Panasonic's HIT series.  It's a couple year old panel, and the degradation over 25 is 91% verse LG's 96%, but it's capability in hot temps is better than anything else on the market that I have found.



 


Re: Wind generators

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 


He Nick

i think superwind are the best.
have you ever thought about a hydrogenerator?

Elja Röllinghoff
SM Balu
222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Wind generators

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

One wind generator to consider is Superwind- German made. 

One key advantage is that the blades feather when the wind is high or gusting. The assists the brake and spills wind easily. It is also less noisy than many other wind generators.

We had one on our previous yacht and found it very good. They are not the cheapest around. But you pay for what you get.

Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356

On Friday, August 20, 2021, 1:03 PM, ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

I thought I would consult the group. A fountain of knowledge for sure.
My recent sailing included some windy conditions in the Cyclades with gusts in excess of 60kn.
My Rutland 1200 wind generators burned out, the braking system could not hold them.
I am fed up with the brand, but I still want one wind generator if not two. I find that on passage they are great especially in windy conditions when the autopilot is working hard. The batteries are full.
I know that solar is better
I know that Lithium is better
But for the moment I want to stick with my AGM’s and I want to stick with wind generators.
I am considering
D400 Wind generator
I am also considering replacing my Solar Innova 265w x 2 panels with LG NeONR 390w panels that are only 10cm longer.
The questions are:
1. Which wind generator is the best?
2. Which brand of solar panel?
Current size 1642 x 994 mm 265w
The LG will fit 1740 x 1042 mm
390w

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML 54-019
Back in Patmos enjoying glorious conditions of 15-20kn, clear water, cool nights.






Re: Wind generators

Alain Durante <info@...>
 

Nick,
You should consider the Superwind 350 or 353, which is in my opinion the best wind generator on the market.
The 353 has new features in case of very strong wind.

I will have one soon on my 54.

Cordialement,

Alain Durante
S/Y Meige
AMEL54-021 currently in Antibes, south of France

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De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 20 août 2021 12:04
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Wind generators

I thought I would consult the group. A fountain of knowledge for sure.
My recent sailing included some windy conditions in the Cyclades with gusts in excess of 60kn.
My Rutland 1200 wind generators burned out, the braking system could not hold them.
I am fed up with the brand, but I still want one wind generator if not two. I find that on passage they are great especially in windy conditions when the autopilot is working hard. The batteries are full.
I know that solar is better
I know that Lithium is better
But for the moment I want to stick with my AGM’s and I want to stick with wind generators.
I am considering
D400 Wind generator
I am also considering replacing my Solar Innova 265w x 2 panels with LG NeONR 390w panels that are only 10cm longer.
The questions are:
1. Which wind generator is the best?
2. Which brand of solar panel?
Current size 1642 x 994 mm 265w
The LG will fit 1740 x 1042 mm
390w

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML 54-019
Back in Patmos enjoying glorious conditions of 15-20kn, clear water, cool nights.


Wind generators

Nick Newington
 

I thought I would consult the group. A fountain of knowledge for sure.
My recent sailing included some windy conditions in the Cyclades with gusts in excess of 60kn.
My Rutland 1200 wind generators burned out, the braking system could not hold them.
I am fed up with the brand, but I still want one wind generator if not two. I find that on passage they are great especially in windy conditions when the autopilot is working hard. The batteries are full.
I know that solar is better
I know that Lithium is better
But for the moment I want to stick with my AGM’s and I want to stick with wind generators.
I am considering
D400 Wind generator
I am also considering replacing my Solar Innova 265w x 2 panels with LG NeONR 390w panels that are only 10cm longer.
The questions are:
1. Which wind generator is the best?
2. Which brand of solar panel?
Current size 1642 x 994 mm 265w
The LG will fit 1740 x 1042 mm
390w

Nick
S/Y Amelia
AML 54-019
Back in Patmos enjoying glorious conditions of 15-20kn, clear water, cool nights.

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