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Re: Stuck mainsail swivel

Gregory Shea
 

Olivier,
Here is a photo of the swivel inside the mast. Is this the Nirvana horseshoe you mention? I thought that the Nirvana mast was used on the next generation of electric furlers and what Dieter and I have are Amel masts. But maybe I am mistaken.
My challenge is to turn the two parts of the swivel while they are still inside the mast. From other postings on the forum, lots of water and WD40 plus moving the two parts backwards and forwards should free it up. I was wondering if anyone had done this without taking the swivel out of the mast? If they did, how did they grasp the two pieces to work them against each other?


Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Kilada 

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On Aug 21, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Beaute Olivier via groups.io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Greg,

I answered already Dieter about this a few weeks ago. You probably have a horseshoe mast NIRVANA type.
Your swivel may be OK but the tube, which on this manual furler, is held by a needle bearing at mast top, needs to be released.
I woulsd suggest that you climb to the very top of the mast and pour WD40 or equivalent CX to ease off the bearing.

Try to make pictures of the mast top from above.

Good luck.

Olivier

On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 05:12:26 PM GMT+2, Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:


Hello all,
Both Dieter Busch and I have the same problem with a frozen mainsail swivel on our Sharkis from1986. Two years of inactivity have taken their toll. We both have manual roller furling and there is no way to extract the swivel from the mast without lifting the spar. So, we are trying to free them with water and WD40 while the swivel is still inside the sail tube.
Frozen swivels are not new so I was wondering if other owners who encountered the problem managed to solve it without extracting the swivel from the mast. Mine is locked solid and the manual furling mechanism is not robust enough to apply much force. I need to be working directly on the swivel but grabbing hold of it has me stymied.
Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133, Kilada, Greece






Re: Primary Rawater Manafold

 

That Vetus sea chest comes in 3 sizes. Maybe Amel used different sizes at different times and models. Maybe not.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 5:05 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
The outlet of our sea strainer is 1 1/2 inch BSP.  

In this size, BSP and  the US Standard NPT have identical thread pitch and depth, but different thread shapes.  You can screw either one into the other with full mechanical strength, but they will not seal reliably leak tight using only TFE tape.  For low pressure applications (like the sea strainer) use of a good pipe sealant paste will give a permanent leak tight seal.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hampton Roads, VA


Re: "Meeting" Henri ! (the hurricane, not the Captain)

eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Alexandre,
The national hurricane center has Henri landing somewhere between me in
Huntington Ny and Sangaris. Most likely within 20 miles of Sangaris. I am
aboard Kimberlite making final arrangements for the Hurricane. Should be
fun.
Fair Winds
ERIC
Kimberlite Amel SM 376

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i would be thanking you in my mind!
and hope all this is fine !!
Stay healthy
SM Balu 222

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Re: Primary Rawater Manafold

Bill Kinney
 

The outlet of our sea strainer is 1 1/2 inch BSP.  

In this size, BSP and  the US Standard NPT have identical thread pitch and depth, but different thread shapes.  You can screw either one into the other with full mechanical strength, but they will not seal reliably leak tight using only TFE tape.  For low pressure applications (like the sea strainer) use of a good pipe sealant paste will give a permanent leak tight seal.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hampton Roads, VA


Re: "Meeting" Henri ! (the hurricane, not the Captain)

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

i would be thanking you in my mind!
and hope all this is fine !!
Stay healthy
SM Balu 222

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Re: Deck restoring

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill. Paint was recommended by my marine painter of many years experience. Isotal enamel single pot tinted to as close as I could to original. It flowed really well.

Regards

Danny

On 22 August 2021 at 07:35 Bill Schwanitz <billschwanitz@...> wrote:

Danny,

This looks amazing! What paint did you use inside the Buegler tool?

Thanks,
Bill Schwanitz

(not *yet* an Amel owner, just curious)

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 11:44 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi all. See the attached photos. I have recently finished restriping the deck followed by gel coat restorer. My heartfelt thanks to those who advised me about the buegler striping tool and the product for gel coat restoring. I was amazed at how user friendly the striper was. No masking needed. Great result. The gel coat restorer I applied in less than an hour with a rag.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand 

 

 


Re: Deck restoring

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Matt, sorry no photo but on the side decks there was virtually no paint in the grooves and the gel coat was very pale. If I find a photo I will post it.

The restorer was (copied off the label) Owatrolgel coat and surface restorer. Gel Coat restorer. Marine Polytrol. I got it through ebay as I did the striping tool. The paint I used in the striper was recommended by a marine boat painter of many years experience. Isotal enamel single pot. It flowed in the striper really well. A job well worth doing

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 22 August 2021 at 06:19 "Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia" <charlesmatthewday@...> wrote:

Danny,

Beautiful job!

Do you have any before pictures?  What was the gelcoat restore product you used?

Matt 

SVTalia SM#209
Hampton, VA


Re: "Meeting" Henri ! (the hurricane, not the Captain)

Craig Briggs
 

That would be nice, and "will land 100-150 km" away may be what one forecast you saw of many credible forecasts. If you check, say, this afternoon's updates, you will see several other model solutions not as nice. I hesitate to go with any one model that just "feels good". ECMWF has us at ground zero, GFS is 20-30 km east, NAM has us at ground zero. Which model are you using? And, why might one choose it over others?
Hopefully, this will be a "nothing-burger" but we're not willing to let our guard down and we take storm preparation seriously. Better safe than sorry.
Cheers,
Craig

--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: "Meeting" Henri ! (the hurricane, not the Captain)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Not sure you saw, but Henry will land over a 100-150 km from where you are as a Tropical Storm or still H1...  


On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 04:40:31 PM AST, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:


So, we left Florida to escape hurricane season and enjoy some east coast US cruising, but now find ourselves anchored at Ground Zero for Hurricane Henri, which is forecast to make landfall here near Sag Harbor on the eastern end of Long Island, NY.arHarbor

 

We found what looks like a good hidey hole, West Neck Harbor on the south side of Shelter Island. It has 360º protection and only about a 1/2 mile fetch in any direction, 16 ft/5m depth, only a few boats around the perimeter on moorings, although two local small ferry boats came in today and anchored about 200M away (they probably have good “local knowledge” that this is a good place). So it's basically the three of us in the center of the basin.

 

The forecast models are quite different, some being 180º apart, as in SE60g90 and NW 55g85 at the same time! We’ve got 200 ft of chain and 50’ of ¾ nylon “snubber” out on our 45# Mantus as our primary anchor. We also have 250’ of 12 strand ¾ nylon and 25’ chain on our FX45 Fortress (“the World’s Strongest Anchor” as they say) ready to deploy if necessary. With the highly variable forecasts we don’t want to set two anchors unless conditions change during the storm as the eye may be either slightly east, slightly west or overhead, so it is a crap shoot on wind direction.

All buttoned down with genoa off, canvass off (except main dodger), snorkel and mask at the ready to be able to work on deck tomorrow if need be, etc. etc.  A positive is that this is a fast moving storm and the peak will be in daylight tomorrow.

Will let you know how we make out - our expectations are our Amel will do us proud.

--
Craig and Katherine
SN68 Sangaris


"Meeting" Henri ! (the hurricane, not the Captain)

Craig Briggs
 

So, we left Florida to escape hurricane season and enjoy some east coast US cruising, but now find ourselves anchored at Ground Zero for Hurricane Henri, which is forecast to make landfall here near Sag Harbor on the eastern end of Long Island, NY.arHarbor

 

We found what looks like a good hidey hole, West Neck Harbor on the south side of Shelter Island. It has 360º protection and only about a 1/2 mile fetch in any direction, 16 ft/5m depth, only a few boats around the perimeter on moorings, although two local small ferry boats came in today and anchored about 200M away (they probably have good “local knowledge” that this is a good place). So it's basically the three of us in the center of the basin.

 

The forecast models are quite different, some being 180º apart, as in SE60g90 and NW 55g85 at the same time! We’ve got 200 ft of chain and 50’ of ¾ nylon “snubber” out on our 45# Mantus as our primary anchor. We also have 250’ of 12 strand ¾ nylon and 25’ chain on our FX45 Fortress (“the World’s Strongest Anchor” as they say) ready to deploy if necessary. With the highly variable forecasts we don’t want to set two anchors unless conditions change during the storm as the eye may be either slightly east, slightly west or overhead, so it is a crap shoot on wind direction.

All buttoned down with genoa off, canvass off (except main dodger), snorkel and mask at the ready to be able to work on deck tomorrow if need be, etc. etc.  A positive is that this is a fast moving storm and the peak will be in daylight tomorrow.

Will let you know how we make out - our expectations are our Amel will do us proud.

--
Craig and Katherine
SN68 Sangaris


Re: Deck restoring

Bill Schwanitz
 

Danny,

This looks amazing! What paint did you use inside the Buegler tool?

Thanks,
Bill Schwanitz

(not *yet* an Amel owner, just curious)

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 11:44 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all. See the attached photos. I have recently finished restriping the deck followed by gel coat restorer. My heartfelt thanks to those who advised me about the buegler striping tool and the product for gel coat restoring. I was amazed at how user friendly the striper was. No masking needed. Great result. The gel coat restorer I applied in less than an hour with a rag.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand 


Re: Forward mainstay chainplate

karkauai
 

Thanks Olivier and Joel!  I don't see anything else right now.  We did have a boat drag and get their anchor line tangled with ours (right after repainting the rub rail, of course) 6 weeks ago.  They were alongside when we got back to the boat and had dinged our rail up from stem to stern.  There wasn't much chop, but maybe a wake banged us together at some point.

Thanks again for sharing your expertise, you are appreciated more than you can imagine.

Hug back from Iris, Joel.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

Marco Baldan
 

Thanks Antonio!
Curious how similar to my photo the gap appears.

Marco

On 21 Aug 2021, at 20:42, Antonio Alati via groups.io <a.alati@...> wrote:


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Il giorno 21 ago 2021, alle ore 21:36, Antonio Alati <a.alati@...> ha scritto:




Re: Deck restoring

 

Great job!

Is this the gel coat restorer?

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 1:19 PM Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia <charlesmatthewday@...> wrote:
Danny,

Beautiful job!

Do you have any before pictures?  What was the gelcoat restore product you used?

Matt 

SVTalia SM#209
Hampton, VA


Re: Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

Antonio Alati
 

Il giorno 21 ago 2021, alle ore 21:36, Antonio Alati <a.alati@...> ha scritto:


Re: Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

Antonio Alati
 

Maramu 1986  i think it’s ok

Il giorno 21 ago 2021, alle ore 21:31, Marco Baldan via groups.io <africanmarco@...> ha scritto:

Thanks Jim!

🙏👍😉


On 21 Aug 2021, at 17:53, James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734@...> wrote:



I have a 1985 Maramu with exactly the same problem.  Was fixed sometime ago the first time and it happened again over time.  Proper fix did require spreading out the load on the bolts through the bulkhead.  I had the surveyor Kelly Carver do the work and she sailed from FLL to Trinidad without any deforming.  He probably would give you a quick review of the repair.  KC Marine 1 954 347 6099.

 

You need to watch the tension on the mizzen as some of my issues developed after a re-rigging and over tightened shrouds.

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II  Maramu hull 185

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Marco Baldan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 3:12 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

 

Dear Amel Owners Group,


Looking for a Maramu, yesterday I visited a unit for sale. The boat looks in good overall conditions but I noticed a gap between the mizzen mast support and the rear cabin top. Also the main-mast backstay chain-plate shows a gap.
The owner told me he contacted the Amel Owners Group in the past and was told this is fairly common on the Maramu and not a problem.
Has any of you, Maramu owners, experienced something similar? Is it a matter of concern? Worth glassing/fixing it?

Thanks for your advice/feedback,
marco baldan



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Re: Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

Marco Baldan
 

Thanks Jim!

🙏👍😉


On 21 Aug 2021, at 17:53, James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734@...> wrote:



I have a 1985 Maramu with exactly the same problem.  Was fixed sometime ago the first time and it happened again over time.  Proper fix did require spreading out the load on the bolts through the bulkhead.  I had the surveyor Kelly Carver do the work and she sailed from FLL to Trinidad without any deforming.  He probably would give you a quick review of the repair.  KC Marine 1 954 347 6099.

 

You need to watch the tension on the mizzen as some of my issues developed after a re-rigging and over tightened shrouds.

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II  Maramu hull 185

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Marco Baldan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 3:12 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gap between the mizzen mast step and the rear cabin top on a Maramu

 

Dear Amel Owners Group,


Looking for a Maramu, yesterday I visited a unit for sale. The boat looks in good overall conditions but I noticed a gap between the mizzen mast support and the rear cabin top. Also the main-mast backstay chain-plate shows a gap.
The owner told me he contacted the Amel Owners Group in the past and was told this is fairly common on the Maramu and not a problem.
Has any of you, Maramu owners, experienced something similar? Is it a matter of concern? Worth glassing/fixing it?

Thanks for your advice/feedback,
marco baldan



<Maramu mizzen mast base.jpg>

 

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<Maramu mizzen mast base.jpg>


Re: Deck restoring

Matt & Michelle
 

Danny,

Beautiful job!

Do you have any before pictures?  What was the gelcoat restore product you used?

Matt 

SVTalia SM#209
Hampton, VA


Deck restoring

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all. See the attached photos. I have recently finished restriping the deck followed by gel coat restorer. My heartfelt thanks to those who advised me about the buegler striping tool and the product for gel coat restoring. I was amazed at how user friendly the striper was. No masking needed. Great result. The gel coat restorer I applied in less than an hour with a rag.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand 


Re: Stuck mainsail swivel

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Greg,

I answered already Dieter about this a few weeks ago. You probably have a horseshoe mast NIRVANA type.
Your swivel may be OK but the tube, which on this manual furler, is held by a needle bearing at mast top, needs to be released.
I woulsd suggest that you climb to the very top of the mast and pour WD40 or equivalent CX to ease off the bearing.

Try to make pictures of the mast top from above.

Good luck.

Olivier

On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 05:12:26 PM GMT+2, Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:


Hello all,
Both Dieter Busch and I have the same problem with a frozen mainsail swivel on our Sharkis from1986. Two years of inactivity have taken their toll. We both have manual roller furling and there is no way to extract the swivel from the mast without lifting the spar. So, we are trying to free them with water and WD40 while the swivel is still inside the sail tube.
Frozen swivels are not new so I was wondering if other owners who encountered the problem managed to solve it without extracting the swivel from the mast. Mine is locked solid and the manual furling mechanism is not robust enough to apply much force. I need to be working directly on the swivel but grabbing hold of it has me stymied.
Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133, Kilada, Greece





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