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Re: Annapolis Open Boat Saturday 10/16 4-8pm

Paul Harries
 

Thanks Joel
I am not in market for a 50.
If it were not for covid and associated hassles I would be seriously looking for a 54 or possibly an SM 
My goal from a show visit would be to get a better appreciation of Amel philosophy. See what it looks like new. Get an idea of how Amel feel lithium and solar should be ideally implimented. Does that make me a time waster from Amel perspective? If not who should I contact at Amel prior to show?

As a result of Covid timelines have gone out the window, Admiral's fear is of getting stuck overseas and not being able to return if kids needed her.

One thing I have gleamed is that unless Admiral is happy cruising is miserable.



--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Stuck mainsail swivel

INUS - BUSCH
 

Greg,

 

I disassembled the genoa swivel I had as a spare part. There are two nylon rings in contact with the moving inner part
of aluminium. To my understanding these two rings cause the main friction while furling, not the ball bearing or the seal rings.
I have sent a word doc with drawings and fotos directely to you.

 

All the best

Dieter

Sharki #135

 


Re: New mainsail for 54

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Hello Nick,

Just my two cents...

I recommend Incidence Sails, as they are the original equipment manufacturer for AMEL (and have taken over former sailmaker DeEmme Sails, which you also still have).
If Bill has negotiated a special arrangement for us in the group, all the better....

We did it last year, ordered it directly from Incidence at the Dusseldorf boat show in january for a really good price.
The incomparable advantage of Incidence is: they have the original cuts from Amel/ DeEmme regarding your hull number, so a real OEM issue. No need for measurements or a sailmaker on site (if your setup is still the original!).
The fit is of the best quality. Shipping from France to Leros: no problem, on time, great handling. Their loft is in Perigny, right next to Amel. Better than anywhere else.

We ordered main and mizzen sails Hydranet Triradial, WITHOUT battens and pockets, because we always had trouble with furling and unfurling with our previous DeEmme sails (still original). Also the old ones were so soggy. Now it is perfect and smooth as it should be. The new sails are cut a little fuller at the leech and have little more surface area than the old ones, so also a better performance. That only works if you have the original cuts as a template.
Good luck and fair winds, we will be back in Leros from mid September.

Ulrich
S/Y „Soleil Bleu“ A54#088.
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Am 25.08.2021 um 14:27 schrieb ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>:

I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr





Re: New mainsail for 54

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Do not hesitate one second !😁

Q sails is very professional and reliable

Price is ok

I can recommend Q sails

JLMERTZ

COTTONBAY



Le 25/08/2021 à 14:27, ngtnewington Newington via groups.io a écrit :
I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing; 
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019 
Kalymnos Gr






Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Brent Cameron
 

The details are a little foggy but I recall that the rear solar panels that were mounted to the mizzen backstays came loose and were acting a huge wind vane weather cocking the boat into the wind. I believe that they couldn’t get the engine running for some reason and that the Genoa furler had gotten jammed as well. The skipper (nice guy, met him in Bermuda a couple of years previous to this) had broken some ribs in the attempt to get the boat under control and was in no condition to go aft to cut away the solar panel as it was mounted high on the mizzen backstays.  From the video you can see a bit of this. I never did get on Bali Hai so don’t know exactly how the panels were mounted but I recall discussions here or elsewhere about this detail. 

Having had broken ribs and a collapsed lung, I’m very aware of how incapacitating that is. Throw in getting tossed around in huge swells by a boat that is not under control and it would be hell on earth.  As we all know, if you lose the back stay, you will likely soon lose the mizzen and then the triatic which is holding up the main mast. A bunch of masts in the water and held to the boat in those conditions would be not easy to deal with in full health with a big crew.   I’d never dream of judging a skipper in those conditions who decided the lives of his crew (and himself) were more important than salvaging the boat with rescue at hand. It’s sad that the boat isn’t been found yet (to my knowledge) but it could have been much worse. 

I think severe seasickness is somehow like childbirth for women. You think you are going to die and swear that you will never go through it again and then somehow you gloss all over it and head right back into the breach (no pun intended) again. :-) (Speaking only as someone who has watched a woman he put in that situation 5 times go through it) . Every time that I get badly seasick, I swear I’m done with it but as soon as my stomach gets under control (even before the voyage is over), I’m raring to go back out again!  The mind plays wonderful tricks on us to get us to do things we love to do! 

Brent Cameron
Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

On Aug 25, 2021, 5:40 AM -0700, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>, wrote:

Hi again JB. Just to.pick up on your promise to never go to sea again. A friend and I on a light displacement 6 tonne 42 ft racer cruiser got caught in a weather bomb 200 miles out from New Zealand on a return voyage from the Pacific. We sailed through it with a storm jib half rolled. 70 knot Wind. Breaking seas higher than our mast. One broke right over the boat at least two meters deep. Another hit the stern and drove the stern sideways 45 degrees with a huge whump.We survived and swore to never sail again. Memory is a funny thing and like you a year later we were off again. My mate was rock solid. Would sail anywhere with him

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 19:01 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Annapolis Open Boat Saturday 10/16 4-8pm

amelforme
 

Hi Paul. Here is the view from the broker’s side of boat shows. I have presented boats in about 130 boat shows over a 45 year period. The best day to attend is the VIP day, usually at the beginning of the show. A premium ticket price culls the herd somewhat so waiting time to get aboard the most interesting boats is usually not very long. Sales staff usually pay extra attention to VIP day lookers AND to folks who show up on Monday if that is when the show ends. Especially if it is raining… Soggy Monday lookers are usually getting close to decision time.

 

Never hurts to send an email to any boat builder you have a solid interest in asking what their policy is to register for a showing. Be fair. If there is no way you would consider a new boat purchase, don’t pretend you would and spend hours with sales staff. We sales people develop a sixth sense about this in such an opportunity rich environment and can generally pinpoint those who would play ‘Stroke the Broker”. Represent your interests honestly and you can expect the broker to be equally as honest with his presentation.

 

Boat shows are a wonderful place to look at gear-equipment as well. Plan on a day just to visit all the booths. You can learn a lot from vendors who are knowledgeable about what they are peddling.

 

Have fun.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:13 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Open Boat Saturday 10/16 4-8pm

 

Thinking of attending, any advice on best day to visit? Nothing on Amel site, is it necessary to prebook tour?
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Surveyor Preveza Greece

 

James,

I received the following:

Bill,

 

I have a suggestion for James re below viz-

Clifford Blaylock, Diverciff@...

 

Please can you put me in touch or publish this suggestion I haven’t managed to conquer the AOG system quite yet..

 

Stuart

S/V Beam IV



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:24 AM James Alton via groups.io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello,
  We are about to return to our Amel in Preveza Greece.  Oliver B. was tentatively scheduled to handle the required insurance survey but has since become too busy to help in time. Due to the COVID restrictions we have not been able to return to the boat until recently so we soon need to move the boat out of the Schengen zone.    Can anyone suggest a surveyor who could handle this for us during the first half of September?  Thanks for any help.

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


𝗦𝗮𝗶𝗹𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗹

 

All,

I have been negotiating with Incidence Sails for some time to get special pricing for Amel owners. As many of you know Incidence is the supplier of sails to Amel. The terms and prices I negotiated for HydraNet sails for most model Amels are the same or less than the terms and prices that I negotiated with QSails. As most of you are aware, I negotiate these prices for my clients. I leverage the size of my client base (currently over 250) for a discount for my clients. There is absolutely nothing for me in this because I never accept payments or commissions of any kind from anyone except my clients. I place advertisements in my Amel Book and on my website for the vendors that offer discounts to my clients, but there is no cost to the vendor. This way I can be a totally unconflicted third party in helping my clients. 

I will release the final terms and prices shortly. These prices and terms will apply to all of my clients and any member of the Amel Yacht Owners Group. The negotiated prices are especially good on HydraNet, saving thousands on a complete set of sails. I also negotiated very good prices on lesser quality sails for your Amel from Incidence. Anyone wanting the information right away, email me at brouse@...

Nick, 

I am sending you the information directly.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:27 AM ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr






Re: Stuck mainsail swivel

Gregory Shea
 

Dom,
Do you think it would be OK to use an electric heat gun to warm up the swivel?
Not on full power and carefully. I’m thinking of trying to make it easier for the boiling water.
Do you know if the bearings are held in place with metal or plastic frames?

Greg 
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Kilada

On Aug 24, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Dom Cigale <cigale@...> wrote:

Do not hesitate to renew the work several times.
Good luck
Dominique


Re: New mainsail for 54

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Nick,

Contact me directly.

southernadventurer@... 

Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently cruising Turkey

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 3:28 PM, ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr






Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again JB. Just to.pick up on your promise to never go to sea again. A friend and I on a light displacement 6 tonne  42 ft racer cruiser got caught in a weather bomb 200 miles out from New Zealand on a return voyage from the Pacific. We sailed through it with a storm jib half rolled. 70 knot Wind. Breaking seas higher than our mast. One broke right over the boat at least two meters deep.  Another  hit the stern and drove the stern sideways 45 degrees with a huge whump.We survived and swore to never sail again. Memory is a funny thing and like you a year later we were off again. My mate was rock solid. Would sail anywhere with him

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 19:01 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well said JB.

Danny

On 25 August 2021 at 19:01 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


New mainsail for 54

Nick Newington
 

I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

The photos seem to suggest that. As someone else commented with 170 miles sea room and a boat floating to its lines a failed engine seems a moderate problem. However as has-been said we were not there. 

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 18:42 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

So there wasn’t a functional problem with the boat per se, just a crew at its limits?

 

On Aug 24, 2021, at 21:09, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Yes it is interesting that in stress situations the boat is often more resilient than the crew and bad decisions are made. But unless you are there experiencing what they experience it is difficult to judge. However the availability of helicopter rescue is one factor that could allow crew to put unsustainable pressure on the skipper.  Wouldn't we all have loved to be there to pick up that boat. In my pre offshore briefings to the crew I tell them if something goes wrong we fix it. Not to even consider rescue,  because in our Pacific situation rescue could be 24 hours away and if we can survive the situation for 24 hours????

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 15:46 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

 



 


 


 


 


Re: Annapolis Open Boat Saturday 10/16 4-8pm

Bill Kinney
 

Paul,

We have been going to the Annapolis Show for many years.  It seems everybody has their own approach, but we prefer the "Preview day" on Thursday as the best day to conduct real business.  In general, Saturday is the WORST with crowds of "gopher whistles" clogging the docks. The last day can be a good day for negotiating bargains if vendors have demo product they would prefer not to take home. (Not likely true of the Amel 50, however ;) )

I assume if you wanted details or to make an appointment for a "serious" viewing you would do well to contact Amel's US East Coast Brokers, McMichael Yacht Brokers in NY.  In the past years, pre-booking before the show hasn't been needed for a tour of Amel's boats.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Slowly Northbound in the Chesapeake...


SM for sale in south france

Nicolas Klene
 

For  info I have seen that link for an SM for sale trough a professional …


--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

JB Duler
 

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Here’s what the father of the rescue swimmer posted online:

 

 

Sondra Farley Mayfield

Capi Tan Lucky from what I was told is they were taking on water and had no power for a generator to run a sump. They were in 40 ft seas - it's hard to tell that from the angle of the video. During the rescue the boat was still drifting and drifted for 20 - 30 miles during the time they were accomplishing the rescue

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 4:02 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

Certainly not being judgmental but, the conditions don’t seem life treating. The boat seems to be going along just fine with the stern into the weather. Was there other equipment failures?

 

The jumping into the water and being hoisted into a helicopter would scare me a hell of a lot more than riding out the weather.

 

What was the story on the boat? I can imagine it sunk. Was it found sailing along somewhere by itself?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

The Bali Hai  incident happened Nov. 2020, not recently. 

 

 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2021 5:00 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

I am surprised that Bali Hai was abandoned. Does anyone know the experience of the crew, Was Bali Hai ever recovered?

The seas did not seem so bad, I am sure that a Jordan Series drogue would have made the difference and she would still be floating with the same owners.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

Regrettably, Bali Hai was lost in the Atlantic near the US shore when the crew abandoned her.

 

Here are some photos of an aft cabin hatch install on a SM. I do not recommend the wooden outside spacer used in this modification. If an external spacer is used I believe it should be fabricated from GRP.

 

That coach roof is balsa filled, so any penetration should be done by experienced people and care should be taken that the exposed balsa in sealed correctly.

 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi George,

 

 You will not be the first to do this. There was an SM called Bali Hai, based in Malta, whose owners did the same. Since sold, I don't know where it is today.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of George Green via groups.io <gdagreen=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: 22 August 2021 15:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

We love our 2004/5 SM COCO, currently on the hard in Greece.

As part of a post COVID set of upgrades while staying on the hard, we are considering installing a full size Lewmar style hatch, opening forward, on the roof of the rear master cabin, when we ,hopefully get back to Greece in mid-September. My wife finds it pretty hot in this cabin, at anchor in the summer due to little or no direct airflow.  Yes , we do have a wind scoop ,  which can be hooked through the rear hatch, but this has limited effectiveness.

If anyone has tried this, i would welcome their experiences and constructive comments, even alternate solutions   I am aware there is a a degree of slope on this deck roof which may involve some extra work.

Many thanks

George
Amel SM 434


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Justin Maguire
 

So there wasn’t a functional problem with the boat per se, just a crew at its limits?


On Aug 24, 2021, at 21:09, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Yes it is interesting that in stress situations the boat is often more resilient than the crew and bad decisions are made. But unless you are there experiencing what they experience it is difficult to judge. However the availability of helicopter rescue is one factor that could allow crew to put unsustainable pressure on the skipper.  Wouldn't we all have loved to be there to pick up that boat. In my pre offshore briefings to the crew I tell them if something goes wrong we fix it. Not to even consider rescue,  because in our Pacific situation rescue could be 24 hours away and if we can survive the situation for 24 hours????

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 15:46 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

 



 


 


Surveyor Preveza Greece

James Alton
 

Hello,
  We are about to return to our Amel in Preveza Greece.  Oliver B. was tentatively scheduled to handle the required insurance survey but has since become too busy to help in time. Due to the COVID restrictions we have not been able to return to the boat until recently so we soon need to move the boat out of the Schengen zone.    Can anyone suggest a surveyor who could handle this for us during the first half of September?  Thanks for any help.

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

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