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Re: New mainsail for 54

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Nick,

Contact me directly.

southernadventurer@... 

Ross Hickey
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently cruising Turkey

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 3:28 PM, ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr






Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again JB. Just to.pick up on your promise to never go to sea again. A friend and I on a light displacement 6 tonne  42 ft racer cruiser got caught in a weather bomb 200 miles out from New Zealand on a return voyage from the Pacific. We sailed through it with a storm jib half rolled. 70 knot Wind. Breaking seas higher than our mast. One broke right over the boat at least two meters deep.  Another  hit the stern and drove the stern sideways 45 degrees with a huge whump.We survived and swore to never sail again. Memory is a funny thing and like you a year later we were off again. My mate was rock solid. Would sail anywhere with him

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 19:01 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well said JB.

Danny

On 25 August 2021 at 19:01 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


New mainsail for 54

Nick Newington
 

I am thinking it is time to buy a new mainsail.
My inclination is to go for a direct replacement of the existing;
Hydranet
4 vertical battens 176cm long


I am also thinking of Q sails in Turkey, now that the Greek/Turkish border has opened. Should be VA T free!

Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Q sails?

Nick
AML 54-019
Kalymnos Gr


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

The photos seem to suggest that. As someone else commented with 170 miles sea room and a boat floating to its lines a failed engine seems a moderate problem. However as has-been said we were not there. 

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 18:42 Justin Maguire <justin_maguire@...> wrote:

So there wasn’t a functional problem with the boat per se, just a crew at its limits?

 

On Aug 24, 2021, at 21:09, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Yes it is interesting that in stress situations the boat is often more resilient than the crew and bad decisions are made. But unless you are there experiencing what they experience it is difficult to judge. However the availability of helicopter rescue is one factor that could allow crew to put unsustainable pressure on the skipper.  Wouldn't we all have loved to be there to pick up that boat. In my pre offshore briefings to the crew I tell them if something goes wrong we fix it. Not to even consider rescue,  because in our Pacific situation rescue could be 24 hours away and if we can survive the situation for 24 hours????

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 15:46 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

 



 


 


 


 


Re: Annapolis Open Boat Saturday 10/16 4-8pm

Bill Kinney
 

Paul,

We have been going to the Annapolis Show for many years.  It seems everybody has their own approach, but we prefer the "Preview day" on Thursday as the best day to conduct real business.  In general, Saturday is the WORST with crowds of "gopher whistles" clogging the docks. The last day can be a good day for negotiating bargains if vendors have demo product they would prefer not to take home. (Not likely true of the Amel 50, however ;) )

I assume if you wanted details or to make an appointment for a "serious" viewing you would do well to contact Amel's US East Coast Brokers, McMichael Yacht Brokers in NY.  In the past years, pre-booking before the show hasn't been needed for a tour of Amel's boats.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Slowly Northbound in the Chesapeake...


SM for sale in south france

Nicolas Klene
 

For  info I have seen that link for an SM for sale trough a professional …


--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

JB Duler
 

It is very difficult to judge the crew based on third party reports. Anybody who has experienced extreme seasickness will tell you that they would have preferred to die.

We were caught in the same area in 1994, on a Swan 47, in the path of Huricane Gordon. We experienced 50 foot waves due to the combination of gulf stream current and wind in opposite directions. As we fell down a monstrous wave we broke the hydraulic of the back stay and the hydraulic boom vang. We rigged cable running backs we had ready to deploy. Then the furled genoa exploded and we had shredded pieces flying on the fore stay, the noise was unbelievable. It was pretty close to living hell.

We had a little storm sail on a second fore stay, just to surf the waves and to avoid being rolled over.

We were four of us, very experienced but very seasick. Vomit over over the galley and saloon, spilled pasta and tuna we had tried to cook. The smell was unbearable.

I tried to call the Coast Guard multiple times (a PanPan instead of Mayday, just to inform them of the situation and to talk to somebody). We could never connect with them, we were too far with only the VHF.

Since our SSB was down, and without news, my company triggered a search by the Coast Guards. We did not know that.

The Coasties saved the crew of a big Hinckley that was scared to death. The boat was lost.
The Coasties saved a couple off Hatteras. The sailboat was found the following year going in circles in the same area.

As for us they abandoned the search and informed my company that we had probably sunk with no chance to survive (we did! otherwise I would not here today to tell you the story).
I am told that when you die everybody says that you were the greatest and kindliest man on earth. So everybody mourned us.

After we finally landed in Fort Lauderdale we promised ourselves that we would never be again on a sailboat. EVER. But the following year we were together crossing the Pacific on a race to Hawaii.

Be kind to others if they get rescued, everybody has a different level of stamina, or just willingness to live.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Here’s what the father of the rescue swimmer posted online:

 

 

Sondra Farley Mayfield

Capi Tan Lucky from what I was told is they were taking on water and had no power for a generator to run a sump. They were in 40 ft seas - it's hard to tell that from the angle of the video. During the rescue the boat was still drifting and drifted for 20 - 30 miles during the time they were accomplishing the rescue

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 4:02 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

Certainly not being judgmental but, the conditions don’t seem life treating. The boat seems to be going along just fine with the stern into the weather. Was there other equipment failures?

 

The jumping into the water and being hoisted into a helicopter would scare me a hell of a lot more than riding out the weather.

 

What was the story on the boat? I can imagine it sunk. Was it found sailing along somewhere by itself?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

The Bali Hai  incident happened Nov. 2020, not recently. 

 

 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2021 5:00 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

I am surprised that Bali Hai was abandoned. Does anyone know the experience of the crew, Was Bali Hai ever recovered?

The seas did not seem so bad, I am sure that a Jordan Series drogue would have made the difference and she would still be floating with the same owners.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

Regrettably, Bali Hai was lost in the Atlantic near the US shore when the crew abandoned her.

 

Here are some photos of an aft cabin hatch install on a SM. I do not recommend the wooden outside spacer used in this modification. If an external spacer is used I believe it should be fabricated from GRP.

 

That coach roof is balsa filled, so any penetration should be done by experienced people and care should be taken that the exposed balsa in sealed correctly.

 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi George,

 

 You will not be the first to do this. There was an SM called Bali Hai, based in Malta, whose owners did the same. Since sold, I don't know where it is today.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of George Green via groups.io <gdagreen=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: 22 August 2021 15:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

We love our 2004/5 SM COCO, currently on the hard in Greece.

As part of a post COVID set of upgrades while staying on the hard, we are considering installing a full size Lewmar style hatch, opening forward, on the roof of the rear master cabin, when we ,hopefully get back to Greece in mid-September. My wife finds it pretty hot in this cabin, at anchor in the summer due to little or no direct airflow.  Yes , we do have a wind scoop ,  which can be hooked through the rear hatch, but this has limited effectiveness.

If anyone has tried this, i would welcome their experiences and constructive comments, even alternate solutions   I am aware there is a a degree of slope on this deck roof which may involve some extra work.

Many thanks

George
Amel SM 434


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Justin Maguire
 

So there wasn’t a functional problem with the boat per se, just a crew at its limits?


On Aug 24, 2021, at 21:09, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Yes it is interesting that in stress situations the boat is often more resilient than the crew and bad decisions are made. But unless you are there experiencing what they experience it is difficult to judge. However the availability of helicopter rescue is one factor that could allow crew to put unsustainable pressure on the skipper.  Wouldn't we all have loved to be there to pick up that boat. In my pre offshore briefings to the crew I tell them if something goes wrong we fix it. Not to even consider rescue,  because in our Pacific situation rescue could be 24 hours away and if we can survive the situation for 24 hours????

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 15:46 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

 



 


 


Surveyor Preveza Greece

James Alton
 

Hello,
  We are about to return to our Amel in Preveza Greece.  Oliver B. was tentatively scheduled to handle the required insurance survey but has since become too busy to help in time. Due to the COVID restrictions we have not been able to return to the boat until recently so we soon need to move the boat out of the Schengen zone.    Can anyone suggest a surveyor who could handle this for us during the first half of September?  Thanks for any help.

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yes it is interesting that in stress situations the boat is often more resilient than the crew and bad decisions are made. But unless you are there experiencing what they experience it is difficult to judge. However the availability of helicopter rescue is one factor that could allow crew to put unsustainable pressure on the skipper.  Wouldn't we all have loved to be there to pick up that boat. In my pre offshore briefings to the crew I tell them if something goes wrong we fix it. Not to even consider rescue,  because in our Pacific situation rescue could be 24 hours away and if we can survive the situation for 24 hours????

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 August 2021 at 15:46 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

 



 


 


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Eric Freedman
 

Profound seasickness—interesting!

If you google “The one that got away” in ocean navigator there is an article about us and another boat.

A Canadian sailed south and was 400 miles from Puerto Rico when he called for help due to extreme dehydration. We were asked to assist. We were within 200 feet of a beautiful sailboat just bobbing in the sea. Without a skipper.

Unfortunately, the rescue ship took the boat in tow. When the tow broke, they gave us the position. After towing it for 8 hours we got there near sunset,

 

I was concerned about getting crew on board as it was getting dark soon. If they would have not taken it in tow, we would have sailed it to St Maarten and returned it to the boat owner without a salvage fee. My crew was very bummed out as we could have easily salvaged

her if it was not towed—The boat was named SCAT—what a name . It turned up in Jost van Dyk

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Harries via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness

Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor

Physical injuries from being thrown about

Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.


It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Kubota engine model number for the MDKAV generator

Eric Freedman
 

Thanks Bill.

Fair Winds

ERIC

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Kubota engine model number for the MDKAV generator

 

SM 387 has Onan Model 7MDKAV2317, SN# JO10296057, Powered By Kubota 3-Cyl Diesel Mdl D1105, Sn# In5262, 7Kw, 50 Hz, 220 Volt At 1500 Rpm   

 

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:51 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I am looking for some parts for my MDKAV Onan generator.

It has a Kubota engine , unfortunately someone at Onan painted over the model plate.

Does anyone know the model number of the engine?

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Paul Harries
 

There were likely other factors such as:
Profound sea sickness
Unable to deploy drone or sea anchor
Physical injuries from being thrown about
Psychological impact if skipper and Admiral disagree on strategy.

It is very interesting that even calm, collective individuals can have a change of mindset under adverse conditions when serial failures also occur. This pattern is often seen aviation disasters but also in other venues such as the operating room! Some have described it as a temporary brain fog, a bit like when we are lost but fail to accept the fact when reconciling assumed position with chart or map.


--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Kubota engine model number for the MDKAV generator

Paul Harries
 

Bill, that is impressive, to know the serial no of a generator on a boat you have never owned! Wow!
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Kubota engine model number for the MDKAV generator

 

SM 387 has Onan Model 7MDKAV2317, SN# JO10296057, Powered By Kubota 3-Cyl Diesel Mdl D1105, Sn# In5262, 7Kw, 50 Hz, 220 Volt At 1500 Rpm   

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 8:51 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I am looking for some parts for my MDKAV Onan generator.

It has a Kubota engine , unfortunately someone at Onan painted over the model plate.

Does anyone know the model number of the engine?

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Eric Freedman
 

The boat still had a bit of sail up and looking at the wave height I don’t think the wind was above 45 knots. In addition the story mentioned they were over 150 miles east of Hatteras. Lots of room to play.

Each person has their own limit when it comes to issues on the boat.

I believe there is more to this story.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

Certainly not being judgmental but, the conditions don’t seem life treating. The boat seems to be going along just fine with the stern into the weather. Was there other equipment failures?

 

The jumping into the water and being hoisted into a helicopter would scare me a hell of a lot more than riding out the weather.

 

What was the story on the boat? I can imagine it sunk. Was it found sailing along somewhere by itself?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

The Bali Hai  incident happened Nov. 2020, not recently. 

 

 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2021 5:00 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

I am surprised that Bali Hai was abandoned. Does anyone know the experience of the crew, Was Bali Hai ever recovered?

The seas did not seem so bad, I am sure that a Jordan Series drogue would have made the difference and she would still be floating with the same owners.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

Regrettably, Bali Hai was lost in the Atlantic near the US shore when the crew abandoned her.

 

Here are some photos of an aft cabin hatch install on a SM. I do not recommend the wooden outside spacer used in this modification. If an external spacer is used I believe it should be fabricated from GRP.

 

That coach roof is balsa filled, so any penetration should be done by experienced people and care should be taken that the exposed balsa in sealed correctly.

 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi George,

 

 You will not be the first to do this. There was an SM called Bali Hai, based in Malta, whose owners did the same. Since sold, I don't know where it is today.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of George Green via groups.io <gdagreen=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: 22 August 2021 15:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

We love our 2004/5 SM COCO, currently on the hard in Greece.

As part of a post COVID set of upgrades while staying on the hard, we are considering installing a full size Lewmar style hatch, opening forward, on the roof of the rear master cabin, when we ,hopefully get back to Greece in mid-September. My wife finds it pretty hot in this cabin, at anchor in the summer due to little or no direct airflow.  Yes , we do have a wind scoop ,  which can be hooked through the rear hatch, but this has limited effectiveness.

If anyone has tried this, i would welcome their experiences and constructive comments, even alternate solutions   I am aware there is a a degree of slope on this deck roof which may involve some extra work.

Many thanks

George
Amel SM 434


Kubota engine model number for the MDKAV generator

Eric Freedman
 

 

Hi,

I am looking for some parts for my MDKAV Onan generator.

It has a Kubota engine , unfortunately someone at Onan painted over the model plate.

Does anyone know the model number of the engine?

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 


Re: Bali Hai Abandoned

Mark Erdos
 

Certainly not being judgmental but, the conditions don’t seem life treating. The boat seems to be going along just fine with the stern into the weather. Was there other equipment failures?

 

The jumping into the water and being hoisted into a helicopter would scare me a hell of a lot more than riding out the weather.

 

What was the story on the boat? I can imagine it sunk. Was it found sailing along somewhere by itself?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

 

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2021 5:00 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bali Hai Abandoned

I am surprised that Bali Hai was abandoned. Does anyone know the experience of the crew, Was Bali Hai ever recovered?

The seas did not seem so bad, I am sure that a Jordan Series drogue would have made the difference and she would still be floating with the same owners.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

Regrettably, Bali Hai was lost in the Atlantic near the US shore when the crew abandoned her.

 

Here are some photos of an aft cabin hatch install on a SM. I do not recommend the wooden outside spacer used in this modification. If an external spacer is used I believe it should be fabricated from GRP.

 

That coach roof is balsa filled, so any penetration should be done by experienced people and care should be taken that the exposed balsa in sealed correctly.

 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:14 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi George,

 

 You will not be the first to do this. There was an SM called Bali Hai, based in Malta, whose owners did the same. Since sold, I don't know where it is today.

 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of George Green via groups.io <gdagreen=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: 22 August 2021 15:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu Rear Cabin - Proposed New Top hatch

 

We love our 2004/5 SM COCO, currently on the hard in Greece.

As part of a post COVID set of upgrades while staying on the hard, we are considering installing a full size Lewmar style hatch, opening forward, on the roof of the rear master cabin, when we ,hopefully get back to Greece in mid-September. My wife finds it pretty hot in this cabin, at anchor in the summer due to little or no direct airflow.  Yes , we do have a wind scoop ,  which can be hooked through the rear hatch, but this has limited effectiveness.

If anyone has tried this, i would welcome their experiences and constructive comments, even alternate solutions   I am aware there is a a degree of slope on this deck roof which may involve some extra work.

Many thanks

George
Amel SM 434

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