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Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Kent& Iris,


See pictures of solar panels above the cockpit, they are hardly visible from the side...


These show 4 Solar panel Suntech STP190S24Ad plus. 3 years old now and they cannot withstand the tropical  temperatures: the backsheet melts and salt does the rest...

I will replacle with 3 Trina Solar vertex S  TSM-DE09.08_405W, slightly longer but almost the same total width.


Of cause you have shading issues so all panels are in parallel.


Hope this helpfull in some way,



Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348 @ Northern Ireland


Op 01-09-2021 om 03:19 schreef karkauai via groups.io:

I have 600 watts (two series pairs) in hard panels on the stern arch that give a maximum of 16A at 24v on sunny days.  I also have 250W of soft panels on the Bimini which produce a maximum of 3A in bright sun (in Maine now),but in less than ideal conditions, they hardly produce anything.  I recommend that you stick with hard panels.  I'm thinking of replacing them with more hard panels if I can figure out how to mount them above the Bimini.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

 

Amel 50 custom very thin panels from Solbian - 575 watts on the hardtop. These were custom-made by Solbian. 
More here about this Amel 50, which will be at the Anappolis Boat Show in October: 

Solbian offers these panels in standard sizes with a zipper attached to the panel to aid in the ease of a soft-top install
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:36 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Alan
I havet Victron MPPT controllers, currently 4 of Them so havet hade good opportunity's to compare the differens between serie and parallel. Where I saw the smallest difference was on the stern arc which is less prone to shadow. When changing the rail mounted from serie to parallel the difference in production was very substantial.
Very often there are at least partly shadow on one of the rail mounted panels. For panels on the Bimini shadow will always be a big issue
Paul


Re: Amel plastic dishes and cups

Karl & Deborah Windahl
 

Good morning,
   I'm sure that you will be receiving many similar requests to purchase your set and would like to add our names to the list. While we can't afford to beat the million dollars we'll do the best we can. 
   Have a good day, Karl
Maramu 258 "Have Fun"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 7:49 AM Ken Smith <ken363184@...> wrote:
Bill,

If you make the dishes available for sale, please consider us. New owners on Bon Edda, M202.

Thanks,
Ken & Renee
M202 Bon Edda


On Aug 31, 2021, at 10:11 PM, william reynolds <sail23692@...> wrote:

I just located a new in the box set of Amel logoed cups and dishes. Anyone have have any idea what they are worth?
Bill Reynolds
Cloudstreet


Re: WaterLift Muffler for Volvo

Bill Kinney
 

Thanks Olivier,

The leak in our metal unit is from the middle of the transverse hole.  While it might be technically repairable, to do so would require cutting the entire unit apart and welding new seams all round.  While not exactly cheap, the Vetus units are inexpensive enough that they seem to make this process uneconomical.  We have an exhaust high temperature alarm already in place.  I have seen what happens to this type of muffler when water flow is lost, and the engine continues to run.  It is not pretty!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD 


Re: Amel plastic dishes and cups

Ken Smith
 

Bill,

If you make the dishes available for sale, please consider us. New owners on Bon Edda, M202.

Thanks,
Ken & Renee
M202 Bon Edda


On Aug 31, 2021, at 10:11 PM, william reynolds <sail23692@...> wrote:

I just located a new in the box set of Amel logoed cups and dishes. Anyone have have any idea what they are worth?
Bill Reynolds
Cloudstreet


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I am now also looking for the linesplan, to be able to register Travel Bug in Ireland.  Did anyone ever get them?

Thanks

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
New Ross Boat Yard, Ireland.


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Paul Osterberg
 

Alan
I havet Victron MPPT controllers, currently 4 of Them so havet hade good opportunity's to compare the differens between serie and parallel. Where I saw the smallest difference was on the stern arc which is less prone to shadow. When changing the rail mounted from serie to parallel the difference in production was very substantial.
Very often there are at least partly shadow on one of the rail mounted panels. For panels on the Bimini shadow will always be a big issue
Paul


Re: Fuel Polishing

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Bill,

Thank you for the comments and advice.  We also have never had a problem but in recent years have been collecting increasing amounts of debri in the filters especially following bad weather passages.

Our thoughts were to install a polishing system to ensure the fuel was clean especially when agitated and the accumulated detritus at the bottom of the tank mixes with the fuel.

Very best wishes

Mike & Peta

Solitude
SM2K 461

On 1 Sep 2021, at 04:54, Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:

Mike,

Many people have installed, such a system, and I'll let them tell you the how's and why's.  

Our boat did two circumnavigations and accumulated over 8000 engine hours with NO primary fuel filter at all, just a water separator.  Despite the obvious success of that arrangement, I did replace the Amel installed water separator with a standard Racor primary filter because it made me feel better.  

I have had sailboats with diesel engines for over 30 years and have never had a fuel issue that a "fuel polishing" system would have fixed.  To be clear, I have also never had a common rail engine that might require a higher level of fuel filtration.

No matter if you have a fuel polishing system, or not, always be careful where you buy fuel.  If the source is even the least bit dicey, use a good quality filter funnel when filling your tank.  Keep the filter funnel clean and dry, and you're very unlikely to have a problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: WaterLift Muffler for Volvo

Beaute Olivier
 

Good morning Bill,

the muffler on Harmonie is most probably made of stainless steel, not aluminum (unless it has been replaced since new).
It may probably be repaired unless the leak is in a difficult place.
However, VETUS plastic mufflers are also good products as long as you make sure the sea-water flow is always strong.

Good luck for this job.

Olivier

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 02:57:42 AM GMT+2, michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000@...> wrote:


We installed the LSG Vetas waterlock, part of the repower, happy with the performance. You can have different diameter on the entry/exit. Moved to the fuel tank side,  removed a little bit of foam around the lsg for a nice fit between the engine frame.
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 at 10:05 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
That was Amel's choice on the exYanmar SMs. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...sg
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 6:59 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Our Amel made aluminum waterlift muffler has started a slow leak, that will not get better by itself.  It has had a long and happy life, but now a replacement is needed.

My inclination is to go with a Vetus LSG75 because it fits the existing hoses, has a large capacity, and the extra flapper valve is attractive at keeping the water where it belongs.

I know others have had to replace these units, and I'd be interested in hearing what model water lift you chose, whey, and if it has been successful for you.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: Fuel Polishing

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Mike,

I have experience with fuel filtration systems and fuel polishing systems. The main issue with fuel in this day and age is the quality of the fuel itself; It ain’t what it used to be!!! The problem also extends to the aviation industry and whilst flying airliners, we never had a problem; the reason is simple, airliners flew 400 hours per month and used a lot of fuel. However, when I started flying corporate jets the situation was different. Typically these aircraft fly less than 500 hours per year and are parked for long periods with near empty tanks … sometimes in moist areas. The bacteria that causes diesel fuel bug is always present in the atmosphere and cannot be avoided. 

Fuel polishing is one means of minimising the possibility of diesel bug contamination and the other is to install a high quality fuel filtration system. Personally I favour basic precautions, a diesel fuel biocide of some sort, full fuel tanks and dual Racor 7550 filters. The diesel fuel pumps on the Genset and the main engine typically feed double the volume needed for operation of the engine. Meaning that 50% of the fuel drawn from the tank is returned to the tank. This is sufficient movement  to ensure that the fuel in your tank is clean. 

The standard precautions are as follows:
-   Keep your tanks full. Always filter the fuel with a good funnel if you have any doubts about its quality. 
-   Add a biocide as directed by the manufacturer. (Biobor or Grotamar are two of them)
-   Relax probably nothing will happen from then on. Of course change the filters when required and verify the sight bowls to guarantee no deposit. 

Installation of a fuel polishing system involves quite a bit of work and sizable quantities of cash. A friend of mine, now stuck in France due to international travel restrictions, asked me to oversee the installation of a fuel polishing system on his boat this year. The installation is successful however his case was different; he had a COVID 19 sized diesel fuel bug problem in his tanks. His boat has large capacity fuel exceeding 1500 L and had been on the hard in Tahiti for an extended period of time due to an unfortunate incident at sea. .. with tanks having a remaining quantity of about 300 liters each. These are perfect conditions for the development of diesel fuel bug. 

System description: consists of Racor fuel polishing pump, a separate Racor 7550 Fuel filter as the pump does not have a sight bowl (although depicted as having a sight bowl on the Racor website, this is not the case ) and you will never be certain of your fuel unless you can visually check from time to time. It also required the design and installation of a cross feeding manifold and distribution valves. This allowed for fuel transfer; a situation which was impossible with the original design. 

On my SM, I opted for the dual Racor filters and I feed through only one of the filters at a time and switch over after each filter change. There is a lot more faffing with the fuel polishing system than with a good fuel filtration system. 

Good luck with your decision and if you require, I’d be glad to talk to you over the Internet. 

Kind regards


Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera , SM007, Opua NZ


On 1 Sep 2021, at 15:54, Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:

Mike,

Many people have installed, such a system, and I'll let them tell you the how's and why's.  

Our boat did two circumnavigations and accumulated over 8000 engine hours with NO primary fuel filter at all, just a water separator.  Despite the obvious success of that arrangement, I did replace the Amel installed water separator with a standard Racor primary filter because it made me feel better.  

I have had sailboats with diesel engines for over 30 years and have never had a fuel issue that a "fuel polishing" system would have fixed.  To be clear, I have also never had a common rail engine that might require a higher level of fuel filtration.

No matter if you have a fuel polishing system, or not, always be careful where you buy fuel.  If the source is even the least bit dicey, use a good quality filter funnel when filling your tank.  Keep the filter funnel clean and dry, and you're very unlikely to have a problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Volvo TMD22 Engine Mounts,

Ian Park
 

Bill
Did you also replace the C Drive rubber bushing. If you had a lot of vibration it will have been affected too. It is a half hour job.
I don’t think mine had ever been replaced and was the cause of my mystery vibration.
It’s now on my check list when I change the prop shaft bushings.

Ian Ocean Hobo, SN96, the Scilly Isles, UK


Re: Fuel Polishing

Bill Kinney
 

Mike,

Many people have installed, such a system, and I'll let them tell you the how's and why's.  

Our boat did two circumnavigations and accumulated over 8000 engine hours with NO primary fuel filter at all, just a water separator.  Despite the obvious success of that arrangement, I did replace the Amel installed water separator with a standard Racor primary filter because it made me feel better.  

I have had sailboats with diesel engines for over 30 years and have never had a fuel issue that a "fuel polishing" system would have fixed.  To be clear, I have also never had a common rail engine that might require a higher level of fuel filtration.

No matter if you have a fuel polishing system, or not, always be careful where you buy fuel.  If the source is even the least bit dicey, use a good quality filter funnel when filling your tank.  Keep the filter funnel clean and dry, and you're very unlikely to have a problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Amel plastic dishes and cups

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

I kid!  The inner 13 year old in me couldn't resist the softball you threw at us. 

I have no idea what they are worth but you will likely find many Amel owners who would love to buy them from you.  If we didn't have a pretty good set of them already aboard Cara, I would be one of them.  You should also let the Amel Facebook group know that you have these available as well.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Amel plastic dishes and cups

Mark McGovern
 


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Bill Kinney
 

Another perspective:  

We have 630 Watts of solar panels on an arch that supply roughly half of our electrical needs. A good reliable, efficient system that greatly reduces our genset runtime. 

We really, really REALLY appreciate the ability to fold down our bimini/dodger at a moments notice, and we do--a lot.  On a cloudy day, at night on passage to watch the stars, for visibility while maneuvering in close quarters, for communication while anchoring, while fishing.  For this reason we would never encumber our dodger with solar panels.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA




Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

karkauai
 

I have 600 watts (two series pairs) in hard panels on the stern arch that give a maximum of 16A at 24v on sunny days.  I also have 250W of soft panels on the Bimini which produce a maximum of 3A in bright sun (in Maine now),but in less than ideal conditions, they hardly produce anything.  I recommend that you stick with hard panels.  I'm thinking of replacing them with more hard panels if I can figure out how to mount them above the Bimini.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Amel plastic dishes and cups

william reynolds
 

I just located a new in the box set of Amel logoed cups and dishes. Anyone have have any idea what they are worth?
Bill Reynolds
Cloudstreet


Volvo TMD22 Engine Mounts

Bill Kinney
 

Another lesson learned:  Do NOT wait to replace your engine mounts. Bad things can happen. Engine vibration and noise creeps up on you, very slowly.  You don't notice that it is a little bit worse today than it was last month.  And next month is worse again.

During our time with Harmonie we had never replaced the mounts on our TMD22, but I suspected it might be time when I did finally notice the engine vibrations increasing a bit.  Today, I changed them out. It wasn't as difficult a job as I feared, one full day of hard work did the trick, mostly. What's left is cleaning up and painting things that have gotten a bit rough looking. I have some video footage I'll share of the process, but I thought I'd give you an advance visual of how bad things were. These are hydraulic mounts.  They are full of a viscous oil that damps vibration.  Three of the four mounts had lost ALL of their oil. The one on the right is a new mount, the one on the left had just been removed.  The oil chamber was completely blown out.



I suspect that the failure of the engine mounts lead to increased vibration and misalignment which likely lead to, or at least contributed to, the failure of the rear seal of our transmission last year.  On the ZF25M transmissions replacing the rear seal requires a full disassembly of the ENTIRE unit, and is not practical. By the time you buy all the seals, gaskets, bearings, and other parts that should be replaced, a new transmission is the more economical answer.  

So, two lessons:  
  1. Changing the mounts is not that hard, with a bit of creativity, and inexpensive tools, you can lift, pull, push, and shove the engine without outside assistance.  
  2. Change them BEFORE they get this bad!
I don't know how old these were where we bought Harmonie, but I am putting these on a 5 year replacement schedule, sooner if I even THINK I notice an issue.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: WaterLift Muffler for Volvo

michael winand
 

We installed the LSG Vetas waterlock, part of the repower, happy with the performance. You can have different diameter on the entry/exit. Moved to the fuel tank side,  removed a little bit of foam around the lsg for a nice fit between the engine frame.
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 at 10:05 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
That was Amel's choice on the exYanmar SMs. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...sg
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 6:59 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Our Amel made aluminum waterlift muffler has started a slow leak, that will not get better by itself.  It has had a long and happy life, but now a replacement is needed.

My inclination is to go with a Vetus LSG75 because it fits the existing hoses, has a large capacity, and the extra flapper valve is attractive at keeping the water where it belongs.

I know others have had to replace these units, and I'd be interested in hearing what model water lift you chose, whey, and if it has been successful for you.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: WaterLift Muffler for Volvo

 

That was Amel's choice on the Yanmar SMs. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 6:59 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Our Amel made aluminum waterlift muffler has started a slow leak, that will not get better by itself.  It has had a long and happy life, but now a replacement is needed.

My inclination is to go with a Vetus LSG75 because it fits the existing hoses, has a large capacity, and the extra flapper valve is attractive at keeping the water where it belongs.

I know others have had to replace these units, and I'd be interested in hearing what model water lift you chose, whey, and if it has been successful for you.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD

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