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Re: Fuel Polishing

 

Kent,

I agree on fuel filters, Racor and otherwise. It is not just the hours of engine & Generator time, it is the calendar as well. One year is a good time frame.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We just have the dual Racor filter system.  When ever the boat sits for more than a few weeks, I pump a gallon of fuel from the bottom of the tank through a 5ft piece of 1/2” PVC pipe from both the inspection port and the fill pipe into clear containers.  There has never been any debris or water in the fuel to date.

Once I didn't change the filters for 2-3 years, and they deteriorated enough to cause problems. Now I change them every year.

Only once when I bought fuel in the Caribbean, from a questionable source who delivered it to the boat in barrels, I checked the fuel before putting it in the tank, and didn't find any debris or water.  I strained it anyway and it was clean.

I always use Biobor Jr biocide.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
In Maine starting back to Chesapeake

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Fuel Polishing

karkauai
 

We just have the dual Racor filter system.  When ever the boat sits for more than a few weeks, I pump a gallon of fuel from the bottom of the tank through a 5ft piece of 1/2” PVC pipe from both the inspection port and the fill pipe into clear containers.  There has never been any debris or water in the fuel to date.

Once I didn't change the filters for 2-3 years, and they deteriorated enough to cause problems. Now I change them every year.

Only once when I bought fuel in the Caribbean, from a questionable source who delivered it to the boat in barrels, I checked the fuel before putting it in the tank, and didn't find any debris or water.  I strained it anyway and it was clean.

I always use Biobor Jr biocide.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
In Maine starting back to Chesapeake

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

 

Kent,

I really like this flexible panel installation by Delos which is sewn to the bimini top: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTa6HEo2_K8

And Solbian must have seen the video because they offer an option with zippers. They give you a choice of zipper color and panel back color:
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A client is installing these:
On his SM bimini:

Panels with Junction box, cables, MC4 connectors, and lateral zippers for an easy relocation: https://www.solbian.eu/en/fixing-options/52-zipper.html

I would supply the panels with stiffening bars as for attached image, we recommend this for bimini installation to make the panel more resistant.

Glossy surface. You can decide on back-sheet color: white, black, or transparent for all the 6 panels.

On the deck in front of the windshield:

2 SP130 for deck, back adhesive, back wires, glossy surface.  https://www.solbian.eu/en/sp-series/8-sp-130.html
1  MPPT  Smart Solar 100/20 with bluetooth for bimini: https://www.solbian.eu/en/victron-energy/111-smartsolar-mppt-10030-1224v.html
1  MPPT  Smart Solar 75/15 with bluetooth for deck: https://www.solbian.eu/en/victron-energy/110-smartsolar-mppt-7515-1224v.html

Total power of bimini and deck: 732 W



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 8:43 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Kent, I spoke to Sunpower about their flex panels. He told me that the cells in the flex panels were the exact same cells used in their rigid panels , thus were just as effecient. For any given  dimension the rigid panel produces more watts because more sq. inches on a flex panel are devoted to the borders ,thus less productive area. He acknowledged that there would be some loss due to higher heat on a flex panel laying flat on a solid surface, he could not provide a percentage loss ,but said it was .negotiable. It is going to be high in the seventies for several days ,safe to return home.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River ,Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 9:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Thanks, Stephan.
I have raised the cockpit enclosure so that I can stand up straight.  It doesn't allow me enough room below the boom to add another layer of solar panels.  I'm going to have to use flexible panels, or mount them someplace else. I'm not keen on mounting them on the rails, either.

Does anyone know how efficient the Solbian panels on the Amel 50 are?  Other high efficiency flexible panels?

Thanks.
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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

karkauai
 

Hi Richie,
If you are willing to share what was done on Why Knot, perhaps others could pay you for all the time, effort, and money that you put into it.

It is such an onerous process that there's no reason to reinvent the wheel.

I'd be willing to pay for the info if I needed it.
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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, I spoke to Sunpower about their flex panels. He told me that the cells in the flex panels were the exact same cells used in their rigid panels , thus were just as effecient. For any given  dimension the rigid panel produces more watts because more sq. inches on a flex panel are devoted to the borders ,thus less productive area. He acknowledged that there would be some loss due to higher heat on a flex panel laying flat on a solid surface, he could not provide a percentage loss ,but said it was .negotiable. It is going to be high in the seventies for several days ,safe to return home.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River ,Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 9:07 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Thanks, Stephan.
I have raised the cockpit enclosure so that I can stand up straight.  It doesn't allow me enough room below the boom to add another layer of solar panels.  I'm going to have to use flexible panels, or mount them someplace else. I'm not keen on mounting them on the rails, either.

Does anyone know how efficient the Solbian panels on the Amel 50 are?  Other high efficiency flexible panels?

Thanks.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Ron Hynes
 

Give some thought to mounting rigid panels above your davits. I did this about five years ago somewhat reluctantly, but it has proven to be a great solution. I set the height of the panels so that when I’m at the helm, I only see the edge, so my rear vision is not impeded. Probably the least shaded spot on the boat!

Ron Hynes
SV Swan Song, Meltem # 29
954.319.0944

On Sep 2, 2021, at 9:07 AM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks, Stephan.
I have raised the cockpit enclosure so that I can stand up straight.  It doesn't allow me enough room below the boom to add another layer of solar panels.  I'm going to have to use flexible panels, or mount them someplace else. I'm not keen on mounting them on the rails, either.

Does anyone know how efficient the Solbian panels on the Amel 50 are?  Other high efficiency flexible panels?

Thanks.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: lithium battery warning

karkauai
 

Here's the latest from Jackline policy representative on Lithium.

"Markel's underwriters are not currently receptive to insuring boats with Lithium batteries.  If we learn of lithium installations on boats they already insure, we must bring that to their attention for review which could result in a cancellation.  They are very sensitive to the exposures they have of both physical damage losses and the even larger potential for resulting liabilities should a failure occur to a lithium set up.  They recently started to consider coverage for some lower valued vessels using LifePO4 batteries with a BMS by a US manufacturer, if professionally installed in the states.  However, Kristy’s hull value is higher than that current threshold.  Unfortunately, Markel is not going to consider any changes to their position until 2022 at the earliest.  It is my hope that they will become more flexible on the matter since many cruisers are looking to make the upgrade.

 

If you wish to move forward with the upgrade, we will need to seek quotes from an alternate carriers."

I've asked her to look for another carrier, will report what she finds.

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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

karkauai
 

Thanks, Stephan.
I have raised the cockpit enclosure so that I can stand up straight.  It doesn't allow me enough room below the boom to add another layer of solar panels.  I'm going to have to use flexible panels, or mount them someplace else. I'm not keen on mounting them on the rails, either.

Does anyone know how efficient the Solbian panels on the Amel 50 are?  Other high efficiency flexible panels?

Thanks.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Fuel Polishing

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Mike

We had similar advice about not needing a fuel polisher but still went ahead anyway and installed a "Reverso FPS 80" (from the USA) into our SM2K in 2016 ahead of our circumnavigation. This was in addition to a double Racor filter fuel filter with a quick flick-over switch. Certainly, I would agree with others here that, of the two items, the double Racor filter is more important, but in the end, we were so pleased to also have a good fuel polisher which we used quite frequently, particularly when cruising some countries like Indonesia where fuel was so dirty that we first funneled it all through our Westmarine external filter, then sucked it into our tanks through the fuel polisher.

If you still choose to install a polisher, then, fortunately, on the SM2K, it is not hard to install since there are two nice large stainless inspection ports bolted on the top fwd and aft of your fuel tank. We removed these and employed a skillful stainless welder guy to carefully weld the precise length and angle of stainless pipe/tube to/through each inspection port cap so that the bottom of the fwd pipe sat at the correct low fuel uptake height in the tank, and the aft return flow one sat a little higher (you need to get the specs from the fuel polisher supplier). Your angles here are important too to ensure that it remains easy to still unbolt and remove the inspection hatches with the long pipes attached.

Note that a polisher pickup and return point must be completely separate from your engine pickup/return ports. You should certainly never use the normal engine fuel intake port on the tank. 

In our case, we placed the actual "Reverso FPS 80" wall mount unit on the rear engine bay above the fuel filters where there is sufficient room and from where the plumbing is easy to run to your intake and return ports on top of the fuel tank.

Best of luck with the project.

Colin Streeter
ex Amel SM2K - SV Island Pearl II
Brisbane, Australia



On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 9:20 PM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
I had my boats tank cleaned last October. There was quite a bit of black stuff on the bottom of the tank. A dock side service just pumped out the fuel, filtered it and then pumped diesel back to the tank, swirled it and shopvaced it out through a racor. Eventually the tank was spotless and the cleaned fuel pumped back in.

I had a clogged filter prior to this, bad enough that the engine wouldn't go over 2k rpms.

Billy



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Colin Streeter
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Re: Fuel Polishing

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Billy,

Thanks for the info. Treating our fuel with biocide means all those dead diesel bugs end up at the bottom of the tank:-)

Our rough passage resulted in the debri being lifted into the fuel which was picked up by the pre engine filters.

Regards

Mike & PETA

Solitude
SM2k 461



On 2 Sep 2021, at 12:20, Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:

I had my boats tank cleaned last October. There was quite a bit of black stuff on the bottom of the tank. A dock side service just pumped out the fuel, filtered it and then pumped diesel back to the tank, swirled it and shopvaced it out through a racor. Eventually the tank was spotless and the cleaned fuel pumped back in.

I had a clogged filter prior to this, bad enough that the engine wouldn't go over 2k rpms.

Billy


Re: Deck gel coat or paint

Patrick McAneny
 

Ian, What you have described is accurate and confirmed . It is tan gel coat followed by white  gel coat . There must have been a reason that the second ,thicker coat was not tinted tan. My tan gel coat must have been applied on the thin side, thus I have several areas where it is gone . 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Park <parkianj@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 5:38 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Deck gel coat or paint

There was a post about this earlier this year. I think it was Olivier who responded.
The tan part is gel coat and was applied first by workers new to the application of resins. Hence some areas were a bit thinner than others. The next application was white gel coat applied by employees who were properly experienced in getting the gel coat right together with the proper lay up process. The original black stripes were applied by female employees as it was found they were far more accurate than males!! (maybe a useful hint there).
You could check the posts, but I’m sure that was what was said.
I’m pretty sure that the Ivory non slip on the decks is a separate application to the gel layer beneath it.

Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN 96 en route to North Wales






Re: Fuel Polishing

Billy Newport
 

I had my boats tank cleaned last October. There was quite a bit of black stuff on the bottom of the tank. A dock side service just pumped out the fuel, filtered it and then pumped diesel back to the tank, swirled it and shopvaced it out through a racor. Eventually the tank was spotless and the cleaned fuel pumped back in.

I had a clogged filter prior to this, bad enough that the engine wouldn't go over 2k rpms.

Billy


Re: Deck gel coat or paint

Ian Park
 

There was a post about this earlier this year. I think it was Olivier who responded.
The tan part is gel coat and was applied first by workers new to the application of resins. Hence some areas were a bit thinner than others. The next application was white gel coat applied by employees who were properly experienced in getting the gel coat right together with the proper lay up process. The original black stripes were applied by female employees as it was found they were far more accurate than males!! (maybe a useful hint there).
You could check the posts, but I’m sure that was what was said.
I’m pretty sure that the Ivory non slip on the decks is a separate application to the gel layer beneath it.

Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN 96 en route to North Wales


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Eamonn
I went through this process last year and it took nearly 9 months to get it completed. That was during the height of COVID but there may be a way to radically reduce the time required. If the differences between the SM and SM2K are purely equipment - the calculations done for my boat will be the same as for yours (better informed chime in by all means). I registered my SM2K#261 ‘Why Knot’ formerly GUMA with Dublin port but the calculations are done centrally by the Marine Survey Office in the Department of Transport. The marine surveyor took the Amel drawings and built a 3D model, subtracted the allowed volumes such as engine room and produced a final volume and converted that volume into the final tonnage figure. He probably works in the same room or down the corridor from the guy that you will deal with - if he isn’t the same guy. So connecting these two people should eliminate a world of hurt for everyone as all that work is done already. The chap that I dealt with was Greg Houlihan. I found him to be very accommodating but what he can do is limited by the law in this area and that lead to delays in our case. I should mention that our boat was not in the country and because there was no travel a lot of stuff was handled by 3rd parties and a lot of photos. It should be easier in your case anyway but if they accept the work done for my boat you should be plain sailing.

Richie


Why Knot
SM2K#261
Kos, Greece


Re: Volvo TMD22 Engine Mounts

Bill Kinney
 

We are pushing 9000 total hours.  She just keeps working, probably because we run her regularly and take good care of her.  Diesels seem to have as many health issues as humans do with being “couch potatoes.”

Many of the things the people say you “must” do to keep a diesel running for a long life we do not do.  We do not run at high output, unless we have to.  When running under power we usually run for many hours at a steady 2200rpm, rarely running faster. Except for very minor issues, she has never let us down, and never with anything we could not fix ourselves on the fly.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie 
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Port side 2500w sockets died

Billy Newport
 

Never mind, the 16A fuse in the engine room is between all 220V sources and the comfort bus and it had tripped. The dishwater uses almost 2kw and maybe we turned on a microwave etc and it tripped.


Re: Port side 2500w sockets died

Billy Newport
 

The 230VAC for the first and second (non comfort) are all working. It's just the comfort side which is dark.


Port side 2500w sockets died

Billy Newport
 

Tonight the sockets on the comfort side of the 220VAC panel all died. No lights on the AC panel when i turn on breakers. The inverter voltage light is on. I tried cycling the inverter, no joy. I tried turning off the inverter and starting the genset, no lights.
I checked all fuses in the 220VAC fuse box above the sinks and they all look good. IDA is passing over tonight so I'll check stuff in the engine room tomorrow. Any one have an idea for fault diagnosis? Any more fuses to check in the engine room?

Thanks
Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: Deck gel coat or paint

Bryce Procter
 

Speaking with Ken Powers of SV Aquarius recently he mentioned a SM that had restriped in an off white and had a significant reduction in both deck and cabin temps. I would suggest ivory as white would be too much of a stark contrast.

Bryce Procter
Seamaster ll
SM2K #467


Re: Volvo TMD22 Engine Mounts

EricOpdeweegh
 

Hi Bill, 

Thanks for the head-up
How many hours do you have on your TMD22?

Rgards 
Eric 
Sv Abayomi 
SM 158
Currently in Flushing NL

Op 1 sep. 2021 om 04:06 heeft Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> het volgende geschreven:

Another lesson learned:  Do NOT wait to replace your engine mounts. Bad things can happen. Engine vibration and noise creeps up on you, very slowly.  You don't notice that it is a little bit worse today than it was last month.  And next month is worse again.

During our time with Harmonie we had never replaced the mounts on our TMD22, but I suspected it might be time when I did finally notice the engine vibrations increasing a bit.  Today, I changed them out. It wasn't as difficult a job as I feared, one full day of hard work did the trick, mostly. What's left is cleaning up and painting things that have gotten a bit rough looking. I have some video footage I'll share of the process, but I thought I'd give you an advance visual of how bad things were. These are hydraulic mounts.  They are full of a viscous oil that damps vibration.  Three of the four mounts had lost ALL of their oil. The one on the right is a new mount, the one on the left had just been removed.  The oil chamber was completely blown out.

<Engine Mounts.jpg>


I suspect that the failure of the engine mounts lead to increased vibration and misalignment which likely lead to, or at least contributed to, the failure of the rear seal of our transmission last year.  On the ZF25M transmissions replacing the rear seal requires a full disassembly of the ENTIRE unit, and is not practical. By the time you buy all the seals, gaskets, bearings, and other parts that should be replaced, a new transmission is the more economical answer.  

So, two lessons:  
  1. Changing the mounts is not that hard, with a bit of creativity, and inexpensive tools, you can lift, pull, push, and shove the engine without outside assistance.  
  2. Change them BEFORE they get this bad!
I don't know how old these were where we bought Harmonie, but I am putting these on a 5 year replacement schedule, sooner if I even THINK I notice an issue.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

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