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Re: lithium battery warning

Mark McGovern
 

Justin,

They didn't give a rationale.  My guess is because there is no justifiable rationale just a knee-jerk reaction not a very well thought out policy to reduce their exposure.  Especially given that I can have all the lithium ion batteries that I want on my boat in my phones, tablets, electric bikes, electric scooters, power tools, etc. and they will happily insure me.  While I will stipulate that these are all much smaller batteries than a house bank, they are also made from much more flammable chemistries than LiFePO4 batteries.  Given how flammable fiberglass is, I'm pretty sure any one of those devices could set your boat on fire and sink it.  Certainly the batteries used in some of the cheap e-bikes you find on eBay and Amazon could do it.  They didn't ask me if I had any of those aboard.

Here's an interesting thread on just such an incident from earlier this year on Crusier's Forum.  Interestingly, the underwriter was, you guessed it, Markel.  And the insurance was the Jackline Policy from the Gowrie Group:  https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f166/explosions-fires-rescue-at-sea-229844.html


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Amel Mango Hull #14 - the engine room was not built to be watertight?!!?

Daniel Alexander Thompson
 
Edited

(EDIT: i realise now that the engine room was built to be watertight and the prior owners have drilled all manner of holes in it)

Dear Group

I have just purchased Amel Mango hull #14. I took delivery of her about three days ago.

I have been rampaging through every nook and cranny of this boat for two days, and have found something which has left me aghast: the engine room was not built to be watertight. (EDIT: i realise now that the engine room was built to be watertight and the prior owners have drilled all manner of holes in it)

There is a small opening, just above the propshaft, in the aft cabin bulkhead. This opening (about 10 inches square) allows the aft cabin hull floor to drain directly into the engine room bilge. I find it very weird. Amel have gone to great length to vent the engine room far above the waterline. There is a watertight door and hatch. What on earth?

I want to make the engine room watertight. Does anybody know anybody who has done such a job on a Mango?

Best regards


Re: lithium battery warning

Justin Maguire
 

Wow…

But they’re somehow ok with new boats with factory installed lithium? 

What’s the rationale?


On Sep 3, 2021, at 09:39, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Gowrie Group told us the same thing earlier this year when we tried to get a quote from them.  If you have Lithium batteries installed on you boat and your boat value is greater than US$150,000, Markel will not underwrite an insurance policy.  The brand did not matter.  Self-installed or "professionally" installed did not matter.

I was very happy with the service that I received from Gary Golden at Manifest Marine:  Gary@... 

I guess you never really know how happy you are with your insurance policy until you have to use it.  Thankfully, I have not!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: lithium battery warning

Mark McGovern
 

Gowrie Group told us the same thing earlier this year when we tried to get a quote from them.  If you have Lithium batteries installed on you boat and your boat value is greater than US$150,000, Markel will not underwrite an insurance policy.  The brand did not matter.  Self-installed or "professionally" installed did not matter.

I was very happy with the service that I received from Gary Golden at Manifest Marine:  Gary@... 

I guess you never really know how happy you are with your insurance policy until you have to use it.  Thankfully, I have not!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: A55 Location of Mizzen Mast Drip Box

 

Joerg,

Thanks.

Bill

Bill, most of the overhead panels come off using the suction tool stowed over the galley sink.  Some of the soft ones you can lever off using this tool.    Some panels could There is also an overhead panel outside the head on port which hides the fuses for the mizzen furling.  May you could access the box from there?   


Joerg Esdorn

A55 #53 Kincsem

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 9:32 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bill, most of the overhead panels come off using the suction tool stowed over the galley sink.  Some of the soft ones you can lever off using this tool.    Some panels could There is also an overhead panel outside the head on port which hides the fuses for the mizzen furling.  May you could access the box from there?   


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Re: A55 Location of Mizzen Mast Drip Box

Joerg Esdorn
 

Bill, most of the overhead panels come off using the suction tool stowed over the galley sink.  Some of the soft ones you can lever off using this tool.    Some panels could There is also an overhead panel outside the head on port which hides the fuses for the mizzen furling.  May you could access the box from there?   


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 


Amel dishes

william reynolds
 


Hello

It seems like we have had a minor misunderstanding about my intentions with Amel cups and bowls.

My first inquiry was to seek a value for a set of Amel dishware. I had discovered the dishes for 6 in a used boat item shop. The seller did not know what to charge or exactly what was in the box. This was when I enquired if anyone knew the value of these dishes.  Albin in Martinique had no idea and he called Amel and they had discontinued the sets years ago and could offer no value. I inquired to the manufacturer and he hadn’t made dishes for Amel in over 10 years and he had no price information.

After dragging out all the items and putting them on the counter I realized the set was complete for 6 settings.

I pulled a number out of the air and we briefly negotiated and came to an acceptable price.

Attached is a photo the items.

 My wife now wants to keep the new set and find a new home for our present set. I really don’t want to make money on the older set and am perplexed on how to select a new owner. Again, money is not the object and I do want to have a bidding war.

I will keep everyone informed of our decision. Someone will end up owning our used set.

Cheers

Bill Reynolds

Cloudstreet


locked Re: Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

ESTELLER
 

ok Bill!



Envoyé depuis mon appareil Galaxy


-------- Message d'origine --------
De : CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Date : 03/09/2021 14:17 (GMT+01:00)
À : "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Objet : [Special] Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

I was answering Jose Venegas, Ipanema SM 278. Jose was the original poster of the question regarding higher engine temperture at higher RPM.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:02 AM andrew parker <apwarwick@...> wrote:
Hi Bill 
I received the email below but I think you meant to send it to Jose 


On 2 Sep 2021, at 23:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jose,

80C or 176 is the normal operating temperature and if the cooling system is working correctly, the temperature should not increase more than 5-8% even at the highest RPM. When you measure 80C on the oil filter, you should measure 50C at the exhaust elbow immediately after the water inlet to the elbow. If it is higher, there is a problem that may be one of the following.

Possible Causes of Overheating:
1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 
a. Sea Chest restriction
b. Hose restriction or kink
c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped
d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller
e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow
2. Restricted Coolant water flow
a. Failing coolant water pump
b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)
c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger
3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues

Do not think that you can measure enough water flow by observing the seawater and exhaust exiting the boat. It will fool you.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

David, you may have something here.  I have noticed randomly occurring increases of engine temperature up to 220F when running the engine above 2000 RPM.  However the temperature does not seem to drop after opening the engine-room  door  and have not been able to measure any temp in the engine higher the 176F with an infrared thermometer.  

Any thoughts?

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278 

currently in Shelterbay PANAMA 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Billy Newport
 

I had custom soliban flex panels made for my previous boat. The price per watt of the custom panels wasn't much different than stock sizes, just longer delivery time. I went overboard with this boat and had a separate mppt for each panel resulting in a lot of wiring, I'd do that different with strings if doing it again.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YZv6xncC821Rquqn8


Re: lithium battery warning

Billy Newport
 

I have a similar question in to the under writers for Markle right now. They are my insurers, I'm still using mastervolt gels on Coder. I'm asking them about upgrading to mastervolt lithiums.


locked Re: Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

 

I was answering Jose Venegas, Ipanema SM 278. Jose was the original poster of the question regarding higher engine temperture at higher RPM.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:02 AM andrew parker <apwarwick@...> wrote:
Hi Bill 
I received the email below but I think you meant to send it to Jose 


On 2 Sep 2021, at 23:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jose,

80C or 176 is the normal operating temperature and if the cooling system is working correctly, the temperature should not increase more than 5-8% even at the highest RPM. When you measure 80C on the oil filter, you should measure 50C at the exhaust elbow immediately after the water inlet to the elbow. If it is higher, there is a problem that may be one of the following.

Possible Causes of Overheating:
1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 
a. Sea Chest restriction
b. Hose restriction or kink
c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped
d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller
e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow
2. Restricted Coolant water flow
a. Failing coolant water pump
b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)
c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger
3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues

Do not think that you can measure enough water flow by observing the seawater and exhaust exiting the boat. It will fool you.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

David, you may have something here.  I have noticed randomly occurring increases of engine temperature up to 220F when running the engine above 2000 RPM.  However the temperature does not seem to drop after opening the engine-room  door  and have not been able to measure any temp in the engine higher the 176F with an infrared thermometer.  

Any thoughts?

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278 

currently in Shelterbay PANAMA 


locked Re: Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

andrew parker
 

Hi Bill 
I received the email below but I think you meant to send it to Jose 


On 2 Sep 2021, at 23:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Jose,

80C or 176 is the normal operating temperature and if the cooling system is working correctly, the temperature should not increase more than 5-8% even at the highest RPM. When you measure 80C on the oil filter, you should measure 50C at the exhaust elbow immediately after the water inlet to the elbow. If it is higher, there is a problem that may be one of the following.

Possible Causes of Overheating:
1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 
a. Sea Chest restriction
b. Hose restriction or kink
c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped
d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller
e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow
2. Restricted Coolant water flow
a. Failing coolant water pump
b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)
c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger
3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues

Do not think that you can measure enough water flow by observing the seawater and exhaust exiting the boat. It will fool you.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

David, you may have something here.  I have noticed randomly occurring increases of engine temperature up to 220F when running the engine above 2000 RPM.  However the temperature does not seem to drop after opening the engine-room  door  and have not been able to measure any temp in the engine higher the 176F with an infrared thermometer.  

Any thoughts?

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278 

currently in Shelterbay PANAMA 


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Lior Keydar
 

Dear Alain

Did you check if the Mota G058-235-1 / CC32 is the correct model for your A54. My A54 is #18 so I am almost sure that it is the same oil cooler and measurements. Shell I order the Bowman DC60-XAA or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32 ? I am a little bit confuse what is the correct product.

Thanks
Lior, SHARONA, A54 #18


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 08:29 AM, Alain Durante wrote:
G058-235-1 / CC32


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Ian Park
 

We have two on the rail also. Like Danny says they swivel easily to angle towards the sun with just the correct tension on the clamps. They have been secure through gale force winds. They are easy enough to unplug, un clamp and store in any threatening situation (never needed to so far).
I also fitted an extra flexible panel on the Bimini this year as we bought a portable cool box/freezer and that has performed well too.
I don’t want the extra weight of an arch and solar panels so far back on my boat.

Ian ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN 96


Re: C-Drive 'O' ring replacement in a 1990 Santorin 46ft sloop

Ian Park
 

Diane
As John says the engine room is where you re-fill the C Drive oil. Early in my ownership of my Santorin it went milky and this was obvious when you looked at this oil reservoir/filler. I was worried about any damage but was reassured by Amel in Martinique who I watched replacing the oil and seals for me. I have done this job myself since then and it is quite straightforward. Look on the Amel Owners site where there are excellent photos and descriptions are of the process.
The gears won’t rust as there is no air in the gearbox. Although you can get the seals for the shaft anywhere that does seals the bushing is a specific Amel part which they always have in stock. If you order the whole service kit from them it also guarantees that the springs in the seals will be stainless and not steel. I would order 2 sets so you always have a set ready for the next service. It is a two year service cycle, but as John says just changing the oil if you haul out between servicing is a good idea.

Ian. ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN 96. UK

PS. If you’re boat doesn’t have a spare bow thruster propeller, get one !!
Oh, and read up on changing the oil in the bow thruster. It’s very easy if you do it regularly, but if it’s been neglected some past of the connecting parts can seize and prove challenging to separate.


locked Re: Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

ESTELLER
 

Hello Bill,

 

Are you sure this email is for me?

I do not encounter a temperature problem with my D3 110, and I do not believe I have asked any question on this subject on the sites.

 

Your answer concerning the engine temperature is as usual very relevant.

 

Kindly

 

José ORION A54

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de CW Bill Rouse
Envoyé : jeudi 2 septembre 2021 23:43
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Objet : [Special] Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

 

Jose,

 

80C or 176 is the normal operating temperature and if the cooling system is working correctly, the temperature should not increase more than 5-8% even at the highest RPM. When you measure 80C on the oil filter, you should measure 50C at the exhaust elbow immediately after the water inlet to the elbow. If it is higher, there is a problem that may be one of the following.

 

Possible Causes of Overheating:
1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 

a. Sea Chest restriction

b. Hose restriction or kink

c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped

d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller

e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow

2. Restricted Coolant water flow

a. Failing coolant water pump

b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)

c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger

3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues

 

Do not think that you can measure enough water flow by observing the seawater and exhaust exiting the boat. It will fool you.

 

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

David, you may have something here.  I have noticed randomly occurring increases of engine temperature up to 220F when running the engine above 2000 RPM.  However the temperature does not seem to drop after opening the engine-room  door  and have not been able to measure any temp in the engine higher the 176F with an infrared thermometer.  

Any thoughts?

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278 

currently in Shelterbay PANAMA 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Kent 
We have also two on the rail 
port and starport side 
All together 200 w 24 V Vmax36 V 
wiering in series with a Victron solar regulator 
We get this summer in greece 
1200 W per day it was perfekt 

we got the holders off 


Elja SM Balu 222 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: C-Drive 'O' ring replacement in a 1990 Santorin 46ft sloop

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Robin

My boat the same as yours but 1991. There is no dipstick that I’m aware of but we have an oil reservoir under the gunnel above the c drive   It is supposed to be about 2/3 full. Being clear plastic you can see the oil colour

On the c drive and under the propellor is a drain nut. We replace the c drive oil every time we slip

Suppose it depends where you are but in NZ it was simple to replace the seals with stock items available commercially 

It’s an ingenious and simple set up

Best
John Hayes

Nga Waka 
Wellington 


On 3/09/2021, at 1:33 PM, Robin (Bea) and Diane via groups.io <bndsorti@...> wrote:

According to the previous owner of my recently purchased Amel 1990 Santorin, the C-Drive 'O' rings and bushings need replacing due to a small leak. I assume there is a dip-stick to check oil levels and see if the oil is milky.  But due to covid restrictions we are unable to return to the vessel and were wondering if salt water will get into the gearbox and cause any rust or damage in the mean time. Hoping someone out there could enlighten me with my concerns. Cheers from Robin and Diane


C-Drive 'O' ring replacement in a 1990 Santorin 46ft sloop

Robin (Bea) and Diane
 

According to the previous owner of my recently purchased Amel 1990 Santorin, the C-Drive 'O' rings and bushings need replacing due to a small leak. I assume there is a dip-stick to check oil levels and see if the oil is milky.  But due to covid restrictions we are unable to return to the vessel and were wondering if salt water will get into the gearbox and cause any rust or damage in the mean time. Hoping someone out there could enlighten me with my concerns. Cheers from Robin and Diane


locked Re: Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

Patrick McAneny
 

Jose, You seem to contradict yourself . You said you have notice engine temps to 220 when running above 2000 rpm., but then said you have not read temps above 176 with a infrared . What engine do you have? I have a Volvo TMD22a and have had overheating issues in the past and discovered a cause ,probably overlooked by many.
Pat
SM Shenanigans 


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 2, 2021 5:43 pm
Subject: [Special] Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Room Exhaust Fan / Blower - lessons learnt #lessons

Jose,

80C or 176 is the normal operating temperature and if the cooling system is working correctly, the temperature should not increase more than 5-8% even at the highest RPM. When you measure 80C on the oil filter, you should measure 50C at the exhaust elbow immediately after the water inlet to the elbow. If it is higher, there is a problem that may be one of the following.

Possible Causes of Overheating:
1. Restricted seawater flow anywhere in the pathway beginning with the seawater entry into the sea chest to the seawater and exhaust exit through the hull. 
a. Sea Chest restriction
b. Hose restriction or kink
c. Restriction at the input to the in-line transmission oil cooler, if equipped
d. Failing seawater pump and/or failing seawater impeller
e. Restricted Exhaust Elbow
2. Restricted Coolant water flow
a. Failing coolant water pump
b. Failing Pressure Cap (should be replaced every 2 years)
c. Failing and/or clogged Heat Exchanger
3. Incorrect coolant ratio, but this is usually not a major contributor but will contribute somewhat.
4. Incorrect V-Belt tensioning with the V-Belt turning the coolant water pump
5. Failing Coolant Thermostat (not opening completely)
6. Other engine issues

Do not think that you can measure enough water flow by observing the seawater and exhaust exiting the boat. It will fool you.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
David, you may have something here.  I have noticed randomly occurring increases of engine temperature up to 220F when running the engine above 2000 RPM.  However the temperature does not seem to drop after opening the engine-room  door  and have not been able to measure any temp in the engine higher the 176F with an infrared thermometer.  
Any thoughts?
Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278 
currently in Shelterbay PANAMA 

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