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Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

Bill Hall,

The switches are original but they are working just fine.  I believe Bill R’s and Mark’s explanation regarding the ‘permanent circuit’ explains why I was still seeing the leak with the switches off, but I appreciate your thoughts.


Hello John,

My rudimentary understanding is where there is voltage there is current.

After I get this rectified, I am going to check and make sure there is no issue with the rigging.  I appreciate the suggestion.


Bill R and Mark,

There are two wires on the negative post of the ‘permanent’ bus but I have not traced them yet.  With your information, I was able to narrow the leak down to the instrument circuit.  With the instrument circuit breaker off, the positive leak goes away.  I will do some more investigating tomorrow and report back when I figure things out further or ask for more assistance if I hit a road block.

My sincere thanks to you both for your help.  I will sleep much better tonight knowing the leak has been temporarily removed.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Mark Erdos
 

Ian,

 

Smart move. For the cost of the repair, replace it with something better J I’ve been suckered into two expensive B&G repairs. No more!

 

I have a good friend who also went this route and he loves the update.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 8:12 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

 

After all the trouble and expense of trying to fix two B&G MHUs, I finally solved this problem by replacing it with an Airmar 220WX weather station.

 

 

 

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 2021-09-06 1:03 p.m. (GMT-05:00)

To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

 

Guillaume,

 

I had almost the same problem and did all that you did and more, eventually replacing every removable component on the 213MHU.

 

I went up and down the mast 10-12 times.

 

Finally, I replaced the 213MHU Mount and wire (25m). The wire is permanently fixed to the mount. Thankfully Dan Carlson helped, or actually did a lot of that replacement, but being the one up the mast.

 

Good luck, the 213MHU is still the best and longest-lasting MHU you can buy...all of the others are "throw-away" units, meaning when they fail you throw them away.

 

image.png



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:00 AM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

I had a similar problem last year. New transducer. It turned out to be the screen display that was faulty. That was a Raymarine setup. The local agent lent me a working transducer with a short lead to plug into the display which proved which end was the problem.

Ian. ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96  - Milford Haven





Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

 

Yes, Ken wrote me when this happened and I stepped in and was in touch with QSails until they were shipped. 

Your order was delayed because of a supply chain issue with Dimension Polyant, complicated by numerous broken promises to QSails.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021, 6:27 PM Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jose,

I too had delays in receiving my sails from QSails. I ordered a full set of Hydranet sails, ballooners and a storm sail so it was quite an expense. Initially I was very concerned when there was a delay though have since received all of my sails and am more than happy with them.
The only real issue seemed to have been a poor line of communication. Thanks to Ken Powers from SV Aquarius this problem was quickly resolved and I would be more than happy to recommend QSails to anyone looking for new sails. I have in fact just done so to a friend of mine for his recently purchased 75' Royal Huismann.

Cheers

Bryce Procter
SM2K #467
Seamaster II


Re: Q sails unacceptable delay

Bryce Procter
 

Hello Jose,

I too had delays in receiving my sails from QSails. I ordered a full set of Hydranet sails, ballooners and a storm sail so it was quite an expense. Initially I was very concerned when there was a delay though have since received all of my sails and am more than happy with them.
The only real issue seemed to have been a poor line of communication. Thanks to Ken Powers from SV Aquarius this problem was quickly resolved and I would be more than happy to recommend QSails to anyone looking for new sails. I have in fact just done so to a friend of mine for his recently purchased 75' Royal Huismann.

Cheers

Bryce Procter
SM2K #467
Seamaster II


Re: Lithium battery costs

Joerg Esdorn
 

I had 3 Mastervolt MLI5500 installed on my boat by the Mastervolt dealer in Spain.  They were about E5000 a piece.  Add to that installation which in my case included a MV Easyview monitor and connection of Masterbus cables to all chargers etc, reprogramming Wind, Solar and Hydro chargers, changing the inverter to also power the washing machine and water heater, etc.  if I recall correctly that was about E3-4K, which benefited from the relatively low labor rates in Spain.   So around E20K total.  Well worth it in piece of mind.  The system is awesome.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle
 


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

Bill beat me to it.  As a first check, I would turn off the switch on the Sailor 24v to 12v Step Down Transformer and see if the Masse light still illuminates when you test it.  If it does not, you know that it's something that is being powered by that transformer causing the leak.  As Bill said, there are only a few things that should be powered by that transformer so it should be pretty easy to trace down.

Here's a slightly better pics that might help you locate it:




--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

John Clark
 

Hi Paul and Bill,
   Am I wrong in thinking that the voltage readings are correct?   Amperage through the bonding system would be a problem.  

My SM 37, has had varying anode lifetimes.  Marinas and shore power shorten life,  I am currently moored and have been working a job in St Thomas for a year and a half. Before that boat parked in Brunswick GA with no shore power.   Cumulative four days in marina in STT and 2018 zincs look good to me.  A few years ago we spent a good amount of time in Le Marin at the dock…zincs did not like that.

Another place to check is the rigging.  My friend on SM24 had a sudden outbreak of rust trails from the rigging mounts.  He had 24v on the rig from a worn cable.  I had a similar experience with a previous owner installed 24v outlet on the main mast that corroded.

Boats….always something.  


  

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:57 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

There is a 24-volt wiring bus behind the wood panel directly above the nav tabletop labeled 24-volt Permanent. This is hot when the switches are off. The only thing connected to that bus should be the 24-12v step-down transformer that powers the chain counter, the AM/FM Radio, and the 24v plugs at the nav station.

Locate this wiring bus. Is there anything connected to it other than the step-down transformer?

Sorry I do not have a better photo...this piece of a photo is all I could find, and note the extra red wire:
image.png

image.png

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:43 PM Bill Hall <billhall95688@...> wrote:
How old is the battery disconnect switch or is it corroded internally?

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:40 AM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Almost since purchasing our boat, we had a small negative leak that was indicated by the Masse Light.  The electrician in Martinique could not locate the source easily, but said that it was very small and to just keep an eye on the zincs.

Although I tried located the source of this myself many times by disconnecting individual bonding wires, I was never able to locate it.  However, our zincs would get us through 2 years of service with what I considered normal loss (about 30 - 40%) so it didn’t worry me much.

A few months ago, the Masse Light stopped illuminating and I thought maybe something may have fixed itself (wouldn’t that be great?).  But a few weeks ago, when I dove on the zincs, I noticed they had excessive loss and they are slightly less than a year old.

This morning I got out my volt meter, and we do still have a slight negative leak of about 0.009 volts when connecting the voltmeter to the negative post on the battery bank and the bonding wire on the rudder post, but when I checked the positive side, there was a full 25 volts leak indicated!

We recently had our alternator rebuilt so I disconcerted that and found no difference.  I also recently changed the switches on the windless, so I am going to disconnect those and check there as well.  We also had a new VHF radio installed and I will check that, but as that is 12 volts I don’t think that will be it.

I am definitely not electrically proficient, but what boggles me is that when I turn off the battery bank switches, I still show the leakage when testing from the bank.  How is it that with the battery bank isolated, I could still have current going to the bonding system?  What am I missing here?

Any insight and suggestions regarding where I should logically begin my search would be greatly appreciated. I am currently most uncomfortable with that kind of voltage in the bonding system.

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY


www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

 


Paul,

There is a 24-volt wiring bus behind the wood panel directly above the nav tabletop labeled 24-volt Permanent. This is hot when the switches are off. The only thing connected to that bus should be the 24-12v step-down transformer that powers the chain counter, the AM/FM Radio, and the 24v plugs at the nav station.

Locate this wiring bus. Is there anything connected to it other than the step-down transformer?

Sorry I do not have a better photo...this piece of a photo is all I could find, and note the extra red wire:
image.png

image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:43 PM Bill Hall <billhall95688@...> wrote:
How old is the battery disconnect switch or is it corroded internally?

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:40 AM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Almost since purchasing our boat, we had a small negative leak that was indicated by the Masse Light.  The electrician in Martinique could not locate the source easily, but said that it was very small and to just keep an eye on the zincs.

Although I tried located the source of this myself many times by disconnecting individual bonding wires, I was never able to locate it.  However, our zincs would get us through 2 years of service with what I considered normal loss (about 30 - 40%) so it didn’t worry me much.

A few months ago, the Masse Light stopped illuminating and I thought maybe something may have fixed itself (wouldn’t that be great?).  But a few weeks ago, when I dove on the zincs, I noticed they had excessive loss and they are slightly less than a year old.

This morning I got out my volt meter, and we do still have a slight negative leak of about 0.009 volts when connecting the voltmeter to the negative post on the battery bank and the bonding wire on the rudder post, but when I checked the positive side, there was a full 25 volts leak indicated!

We recently had our alternator rebuilt so I disconcerted that and found no difference.  I also recently changed the switches on the windless, so I am going to disconnect those and check there as well.  We also had a new VHF radio installed and I will check that, but as that is 12 volts I don’t think that will be it.

I am definitely not electrically proficient, but what boggles me is that when I turn off the battery bank switches, I still show the leakage when testing from the bank.  How is it that with the battery bank isolated, I could still have current going to the bonding system?  What am I missing here?

Any insight and suggestions regarding where I should logically begin my search would be greatly appreciated. I am currently most uncomfortable with that kind of voltage in the bonding system.

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY


www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Greg, That was what I would have done had I gone internal but as I said I surface mounted "temporarily" and it was so satisfactory I left it as it was. I don't think anyone even notices the wires.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 07 September 2021 at 04:13 Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg

 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler < jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


 


 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi JB. Glad to help

Kind Regards

Danny

Ocean Pearl

On 07 September 2021 at 03:17 JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Bill Hall
 

How old is the battery disconnect switch or is it corroded internally?

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 11:40 AM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Almost since purchasing our boat, we had a small negative leak that was indicated by the Masse Light.  The electrician in Martinique could not locate the source easily, but said that it was very small and to just keep an eye on the zincs.

Although I tried located the source of this myself many times by disconnecting individual bonding wires, I was never able to locate it.  However, our zincs would get us through 2 years of service with what I considered normal loss (about 30 - 40%) so it didn’t worry me much.

A few months ago, the Masse Light stopped illuminating and I thought maybe something may have fixed itself (wouldn’t that be great?).  But a few weeks ago, when I dove on the zincs, I noticed they had excessive loss and they are slightly less than a year old.

This morning I got out my volt meter, and we do still have a slight negative leak of about 0.009 volts when connecting the voltmeter to the negative post on the battery bank and the bonding wire on the rudder post, but when I checked the positive side, there was a full 25 volts leak indicated!

We recently had our alternator rebuilt so I disconcerted that and found no difference.  I also recently changed the switches on the windless, so I am going to disconnect those and check there as well.  We also had a new VHF radio installed and I will check that, but as that is 12 volts I don’t think that will be it.

I am definitely not electrically proficient, but what boggles me is that when I turn off the battery bank switches, I still show the leakage when testing from the bank.  How is it that with the battery bank isolated, I could still have current going to the bonding system?  What am I missing here?

Any insight and suggestions regarding where I should logically begin my search would be greatly appreciated. I am currently most uncomfortable with that kind of voltage in the bonding system.

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY


www.RitaKathryn.com


24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

Almost since purchasing our boat, we had a small negative leak that was indicated by the Masse Light.  The electrician in Martinique could not locate the source easily, but said that it was very small and to just keep an eye on the zincs.

Although I tried located the source of this myself many times by disconnecting individual bonding wires, I was never able to locate it.  However, our zincs would get us through 2 years of service with what I considered normal loss (about 30 - 40%) so it didn’t worry me much.

A few months ago, the Masse Light stopped illuminating and I thought maybe something may have fixed itself (wouldn’t that be great?).  But a few weeks ago, when I dove on the zincs, I noticed they had excessive loss and they are slightly less than a year old.

This morning I got out my volt meter, and we do still have a slight negative leak of about 0.009 volts when connecting the voltmeter to the negative post on the battery bank and the bonding wire on the rudder post, but when I checked the positive side, there was a full 25 volts leak indicated!

We recently had our alternator rebuilt so I disconcerted that and found no difference.  I also recently changed the switches on the windless, so I am going to disconnect those and check there as well.  We also had a new VHF radio installed and I will check that, but as that is 12 volts I don’t think that will be it.

I am definitely not electrically proficient, but what boggles me is that when I turn off the battery bank switches, I still show the leakage when testing from the bank.  How is it that with the battery bank isolated, I could still have current going to the bonding system?  What am I missing here?

Any insight and suggestions regarding where I should logically begin my search would be greatly appreciated. I am currently most uncomfortable with that kind of voltage in the bonding system.

Thank you in advance for any and all replies.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY


www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Ian Townsend
 

After all the trouble and expense of trying to fix two B&G MHUs, I finally solved this problem by replacing it with an Airmar 220WX weather station.





-------- Original message --------
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Date: 2021-09-06 1:03 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Guillaume,

I had almost the same problem and did all that you did and more, eventually replacing every removable component on the 213MHU.

I went up and down the mast 10-12 times.

Finally, I replaced the 213MHU Mount and wire (25m). The wire is permanently fixed to the mount. Thankfully Dan Carlson helped, or actually did a lot of that replacement, but being the one up the mast.

Good luck, the 213MHU is still the best and longest-lasting MHU you can buy...all of the others are "throw-away" units, meaning when they fail you throw them away.

image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:00 AM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
I had a similar problem last year. New transducer. It turned out to be the screen display that was faulty. That was a Raymarine setup. The local agent lent me a working transducer with a short lead to plug into the display which proved which end was the problem.

Ian. ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96  - Milford Haven






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Re: Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

 

Guillaume,

I had almost the same problem and did all that you did and more, eventually replacing every removable component on the 213MHU.

I went up and down the mast 10-12 times.

Finally, I replaced the 213MHU Mount and wire (25m). The wire is permanently fixed to the mount. Thankfully Dan Carlson helped, or actually did a lot of that replacement, but being the one up the mast.

Good luck, the 213MHU is still the best and longest-lasting MHU you can buy...all of the others are "throw-away" units, meaning when they fail you throw them away.

image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:00 AM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
I had a similar problem last year. New transducer. It turned out to be the screen display that was faulty. That was a Raymarine setup. The local agent lent me a working transducer with a short lead to plug into the display which proved which end was the problem.

Ian. ‘Ocean Hobo’ SN96  - Milford Haven






Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Gregory Shea
 

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg


On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


QSails, Turkey and Incidence Sails, France

 

To: All members of the Amel Owners Group
CC: Emrah Oge Owner and Manager of QSails

I apologize for the length of this email, but I feel responsible to summarize all that I can tell you about this.

In the last 6-9 months QSails has experienced some of the worst things that any company can experience, most of it as a direct result of COVID, some indirectly from COVIS with the disrupted Supply Chain. They have been in business for 33 years and I believe that they will make it through this period. They have disappointed about 10 Amel owners in the last 6 months with delivery issues, with about half of those being totally out of QSails' control. FedEx and UPS share the blame on about half of the shipments, losing parts, losing the complete shipment, or damaging contents, then failing to pay the claim submitted by QSails. In each of the cases that I am aware of, QSails has committed to fulfilling the order at significant costs to them and without payment from the shippers. In a few cases, the Amel owner was to blame for the shipping issue because they signed for the complete order but later found out that there was another box that was not delivered. QSails committed to cover the costs. In another case when the owner opened the box, he found the sails damaged. Please check your order before you sign for it. Additionally, the Supply Chain is currently terrible. Previously reliable manufacturers like Dimension Polyant (sailcloth including HydraNet) are completely unreliable.

I believe that QSails will pull through this difficult period and I believe that orders and obligations will be fulfilled. In the last 5 years, and based on my recommendation for quality and price, QSails has sold sails totaling over 1 million euros to Amel owners. I know that each owner saved as compared to the competitive bids they received, and almost everyone was completely satisfied with the quality.

I have been aware of the QSails delivery issue for several months and I have been shepherding the orders for those Amel owners. Most of the orders have been completed, but there are some outstanding that I believe will be completed within weeks. It would have been reckless for me to have made a derogatory announcement about QSails because that could have resulted in many orders never being fulfilled causing significant losses to many people, and potentially severe damage to QSails. I have communicated directly to those owners that I knew were impacted, but I was unaware of Jose's order...I am now and I just sent an email to QSail.

I believe that I should have two choices for purchasing sails for my clients. I am happy to say, that I now have two Preferred Vendors for my clients. As I did with QSails, the negotiated prices are available to anyone who is a member of the Amel Yacht Owners Group. The newest sailmaker that I have negotiated discounted prices with is Incidence Sails, France, supplier to Amel. The Incidence Sails Preferred Vendor pricing is available to my clients and all members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group. More information on details of construction, quality, and pricing for QSails & Incidence by following these links:

Or you can write me anytime for specific information.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Gregory Shea
 

JB, 
If you buy the NOA brackets and tracks, let me know at gmshea@.... I modified the brackets to control both the friction on the slider and the tightness of the rotation (accreditation Graham Johnston Sharki 196 Zephyr). I can share the mods with you, but you will need a bracket in front of you to understand them. Unfortunately, I'm flying home from Greece tomorrow and I don't have any photos.  

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
KIlada


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of JB Duler <jbduler@...>
Sent: Monday, September 6, 2021 11:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels
 
Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Maxprop maintenance grease kit

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi
 

Dear Jose, 

The Maxprop dealer in Greece is Kafetzidakis sails in Piraeus. I’ve attached a link which has their number etc. They should have everything you need and are very friendly and helpful.

Best regards,
Helen and Kostas Ioannidis 
Meditation SM 29 of 1990 based in Aegina , Greece 



On 6 Sep 2021, at 6:16 PM, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:


Dear  Amelians 


Any advice where can I buy the Maxprop maintenance grease kit at Greece? Or just the screws and O-rings?
Thank you


Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

JB Duler
 

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

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