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Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

John,

According to Mark, it appears that your statement regarding the readings being correct are correct.

I was freaking out seeing house bank voltages (24 V+) between the POSITIVE side and BONDING side, but according to Mark, this is indeed what we should see.

I verified that my Masse Test Light is indeed working, as Mark suggested, by jumping POSITIVE to BONDING then NEGATIVE to BONDING and seeing if the respective light illuminates - they did.

As Mark explained it, seeing voltage only indicates potential for current flow.  

Hence, it appears we don’t currently have a leak - no measurable current flow.  I’m going to change the zincs and keep a close eye on the new ones.

Thank you Bill H, Bill R, John, and Mark for your help.  In the end, it turns out I didn’t have a problem in the first place, but you all helped me reach that conclusion, and learn a good deal in the process.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Paul Harries
 

I had suggested this as a topic for Amel meeting to Bill a few weeks ago, problem is with finding a good presenter who knows pros and cons of various countries to register in. Does anyone know such an expert?

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Mark Erdos
 

On the contrary, having the vessel owned by an LLC has many advantages. First, there is the obvious tax advantage. Second, if you are American and you flag and own your vessel outside of the USA, you can obtain insurance where other US flagged vessels can’t. When it comes time to sell the vessel, you can sell the entire corporation to the new owner. This way the new owner gets the insurance, licenses etc. I would never buy a vessel this way, but it is an option. Perhaps the best advantage is the protection of your personal assets should be find yourself liable in an accident or spill of some type. Keep in mind laws change from country to country but all will recognize limited liability.

 

One of the other reasons we put our Amel into a corporation was survivor benefits. As share holders, we both have ownership. A friend had a lot of trouble when her husband died in a foreign port. She found out the hard way how every country has different laws. The vessel was in his name and they refused to immediately acknowledge their US legal will. The vessel was seized. She had to hire a local lawyer and eventually got control of the vessel so she could sell it.

 

All port authorities understand corporate owned vessels. If a single super yacht has ever entered their country, then they understand. Every single large yacht is corporate owned. We are BVI owned and flagged and have never had issue with entering.  

 

The cost can vary from country to country. There are big differences. Grand Cayman is one of the most expensive. Some countries require tonnage surveys and vessel surveys. You need to watch for annual fees and filing requirements for the corporation. Also, countries require registration renewals at various times. Some are annually which is a real pain if you plan to sail the globe.

 

If you have specific questions feel free to private email me.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347 via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:39 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 


I’m thinking about putting a new boat into an LLC or corporation  legal entity.  Has anyone done such and run into issues in a  foreign port?  Do most customs and port authorities understand these documentations?  I would think so but maybe not in smaller nations 


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Ron Hynes
 

I acquired my Amel in the Netherlands five years ago. At the time, American insurance was going to cost me an exorbitant amount. I learned that I could insure with an EU company, one of several actually, for about 1/3 of the cost. The catch, however, was that the boat could not be owned by an American. I then formed a British LLC which has owned the boat since this time. I never had difficulties checking in to the UK, France, Spain, Portugal, the Canary Islands, Matinique, the DR, Bahamas and Morocco. The Italian authorities gave me a bit of a hassle, but I don’t believe it was because of ownership issues. It had to do with the form of certification I had. Things have gotten a little more interesting after Brexit but I’m no longer in the EU and not really concerned about it. Naturally I can’t comment on whether you have difficulties in the south pacific or in Southeast Asia or when crossing the Indian ocean, but I guess you won’t. Basically, you are very much like a merchant ship and very few of those are owned by individuals.

Ron Hynes 
954.319.0944

On Sep 7, 2021, at 5:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ben,

We bought BeBe in here 2nd year. She was owned by a BVI Corporation set up by the owner from Cape Cod. She was BVI Flagged and registered (Defaced Red UK Ensign). To set up the corporation in 2003, cost $696, and as I remember it, the annual maintenance of the corporation was between $400 - $500. My records reflect that the corporation was set up by Astra Penn, Dantrust Limited, 49 Main Street, Tortola, BVI (284) 494 4197, d.penn@...

I hope all of this is accurate, current, and complete.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 3:48 PM Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been investing Cayman registration via company for this purpose.
For me possibility of having employed national of any nationality on board at any time was reason for looking into it. 
Has benefit of UK diplomatic and military support.  Epirb and DSC has to go via UK or US though I believe.
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

Ben,

We bought BeBe in here 2nd year. She was owned by a BVI Corporation set up by the owner from Cape Cod. She was BVI Flagged and registered (Defaced Red UK Ensign). To set up the corporation in 2003, cost $696, and as I remember it, the annual maintenance of the corporation was between $400 - $500. My records reflect that the corporation was set up by Astra Penn, Dantrust Limited, 49 Main Street, Tortola, BVI (284) 494 4197, d.penn@...

I hope all of this is accurate, current, and complete.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 3:48 PM Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been investing Cayman registration via company for this purpose.
For me possibility of having employed national of any nationality on board at any time was reason for looking into it. 
Has benefit of UK diplomatic and military support.  Epirb and DSC has to go via UK or US though I believe.
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat. I'm not the one to answer that regarding the linking of panels.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 September 2021 at 08:49 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny , It may not be an issue,as I have a new plan . I would appreciate if someone would tell me if this would work. I presently have three 140w panels on my arch,they are 26" wide ,same as the railing is tall. Could I install a new 370 W panel on my arch and install two of my old panel (8yrs. old )on the rail ,leaving the third old panel on the arch ,then hook them all four together in series. Can you hook panels of different Watts and open voltage together? 
I have a TriStar MPPT charge controller 45 amp up to 150 VOC input 12-48 volts , 24V -1200 watts .So I guess the controller can handle the panels . Is there a downside to hooking these different panels in series?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Pat, I will measure later on today. I set the swivels so the inboard portion gave me room to pass. This is about 1/3 in 2/3 out. It  clears the rub rail when swiveled down. The room I had did set the size of panel, length as well.. As I have said before I wasn't trying to power a floating condo from solar only. 
I let you know later today about the measurement.
Kind Regards
Danny
On 08 September 2021 at 03:51 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, I want to add some more solar and while I never liked the idea of rail mounting ,I don't want to modify my bimini either. My problem is ,that most panels with decent output are approx . 40 + inches wide . From the rail down to the rub rail is only about 26 inches . I would then have over a foot inboard of the rail. How wide of a panel do you recommend ?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Greg, That was what I would have done had I gone internal but as I said I surface mounted "temporarily" and it was so satisfactory I left it as it was. I don't think anyone even notices the wires.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 07 September 2021 at 04:13 Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg

 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler < jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

 

 
 
 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny , It may not be an issue,as I have a new plan . I would appreciate if someone would tell me if this would work. I presently have three 140w panels on my arch,they are 26" wide ,same as the railing is tall. Could I install a new 370 W panel on my arch and install two of my old panel (8yrs. old )on the rail ,leaving the third old panel on the arch ,then hook them all four together in series. Can you hook panels of different Watts and open voltage together? 
I have a TriStar MPPT charge controller 45 amp up to 150 VOC input 12-48 volts , 24V -1200 watts .So I guess the controller can handle the panels . Is there a downside to hooking these different panels in series?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 7, 2021 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Pat, I will measure later on today. I set the swivels so the inboard portion gave me room to pass. This is about 1/3 in 2/3 out. It  clears the rub rail when swiveled down. The room I had did set the size of panel, length as well.. As I have said before I wasn't trying to power a floating condo from solar only. 
I let you know later today about the measurement.
Kind Regards
Danny
On 08 September 2021 at 03:51 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, I want to add some more solar and while I never liked the idea of rail mounting ,I don't want to modify my bimini either. My problem is ,that most panels with decent output are approx . 40 + inches wide . From the rail down to the rub rail is only about 26 inches . I would then have over a foot inboard of the rail. How wide of a panel do you recommend ?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Greg, That was what I would have done had I gone internal but as I said I surface mounted "temporarily" and it was so satisfactory I left it as it was. I don't think anyone even notices the wires.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 07 September 2021 at 04:13 Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg

 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler < jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

 

 
 


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Paul Harries
 

I have been investing Cayman registration via company for this purpose.
For me possibility of having employed national of any nationality on board at any time was reason for looking into it. 
Has benefit of UK diplomatic and military support.  Epirb and DSC has to go via UK or US though I believe.
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 


I’m thinking about putting a new boat into an LLC or corporation  legal entity.  Has anyone done such and run into issues in a  foreign port?  Do most customs and port authorities understand these documentations?  I would think so but maybe not in smaller nations 


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat, I will measure later on today. I set the swivels so the inboard portion gave me room to pass. This is about 1/3 in 2/3 out. It  clears the rub rail when swiveled down. The room I had did set the size of panel, length as well.. As I have said before I wasn't trying to power a floating condo from solar only. 

I let you know later today about the measurement.

Kind Regards

Danny

On 08 September 2021 at 03:51 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, I want to add some more solar and while I never liked the idea of rail mounting ,I don't want to modify my bimini either. My problem is ,that most panels with decent output are approx . 40 + inches wide . From the rail down to the rub rail is only about 26 inches . I would then have over a foot inboard of the rail. How wide of a panel do you recommend ?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Greg, That was what I would have done had I gone internal but as I said I surface mounted "temporarily" and it was so satisfactory I left it as it was. I don't think anyone even notices the wires.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 07 September 2021 at 04:13 Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg

 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler < jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

 

 
 


Re: Trouble-shooting MHU B&G213

Cathy & Guillaume
 

@Ian, where did you mount the sensor? The manual says it has to stay vertical, how does that work with heel?

Has anyone mounted a secondary MHU at the top of the mizzen?


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

Mark,

Thank you for correcting my statement to John and the education regarding voltage vs current.

I am very confused.

The bulb on the Masse Test Light is NOT illuminating on either the POSITIVE or the NEGATIVE side although it used to on the NEGATIVE side. The illumination started shortly after taking ownership in 2016. I had the electrician in Martinique look into that negative leak and he said is was a very small current and not to worry about it but keep an eye on the zincs - which is what I have done since.

Fast forward the clock to a few months ago, and the Masse stopped illuminating on the NEGATIVE side however, when I looked at the zincs, they were very deteriorated so I decided I should test for a leak with the volt meter.

Yesterday I was seeing a very small leak on the negative side of approximately 0.009 volts but I saw 25+ volts on the positive side and that is what got me all worked up and initiated the post.  When taking my readings yesterday I went directly from the battery bank to the yellow/green on the rudder post.  The testing I did last night and this morning was on the wall (or as you say curtain) behind the Nav Station.  At this location, I show house bank voltage on the POSITIVE side and 0.14 volts on the NEGATIVE side with the navigation instrument breaker in the ON position.  I am seeing 0.07 volts on both the POSITIVE and NEGATIVE side when testing with the navigation breaker in the OFF position.  I’m getting these readings when testing between the POS or NEG terminals and the Yellow/Green Bonding wire on the bus labeled “NAVIGATION” just to the right or aft of the bus labeled “PERMANENT”.

You are saying that house bank voltage on the POSITIVE side is normal?

If this is the case, how do I properly test for leakage as I believe the Masse Test Light may not be functioning currently?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Dock lines length for a SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is what I had onboard, which was 2 full set of docking line (a set being 2 bow line, 2 stern lines, only 1 breast line).  

My normal set was 3/4

My secondary was 7/8

Also had snubber and long lines.  


Since I saw several cleats break in Marina, I often double the lines (example, 2 lines from bow going to 2 different cleats).  


Since lines are expensive, I protected them with firehose.  

I highly recommend that, especially since firehose is pretty cheap;

http://supermaramu2000.com/dock_line_protections.html



DOCK LINES




White MS 7/8

19 ft

White MS 7/8

20 ft



Blue 3S 3/4 (Red end)

24 ft

Blue 3S 3/4 (Red end)

24 ft

Blue 3S 3/4 (Yellow end)

28 ft

Blue 3S 3/4 Hook

28 ft

Blue 3S 3/4 (black end)

53 ft



Black MS 7/8 (white end)

22 ft

Black MS 7/8 (white end)

22 ft

Black MS 7/8 (Red end)

27 ft

Black MS 7/8 (Red end)

27 ft

Black MS 7/8 (Black end)

53 ft



Blue MS 7/8

38 ft

Blue MS 7/8

38 ft

Blue MS 7/8

60 ft



Snubber White 3S 3/4

35 ft

Snubber White 3S 7/8

31 ft



Float Blue

51 ft

Light Blue 3S long

60 ft



Roll Aft White 3S 3/4

330 ft

Roll Port White 3S 3/4

330 ft



ANCHOR LINES




White 3S 3/4 Anchor lines


White 3S 7/8 Anchor lines

200 ft



ANCHOR TRIP LINES


Dyneema Grey on anchor

9 ft

Dyneema Grey on Bouy

15 ft

Float Blue

15 ft

Float blue

38 ft



On Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 11:07:18 AM AST, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:


Dear Amelian frieds.  
I bought 300 ft of docking line for Ipanema.  Has anyone thought out the best size to cut the docking lines for our boat?


Re: Dock lines length for a SM

 

Snippet from my book:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear Amelian frieds.  
I bought 300 ft of docking line for Ipanema.  Has anyone thought out the best size to cut the docking lines for our boat?


Re: QSails, Turkey and Incidence Sails, France

 

Rick, I am on a zoom call now, but I think air freight will be closer to $1000. They should be able to quote you including freight.

Contact: Incidence: Thierry Monge
Tel: +33 661 448 496
E-mail: thierry.monge@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:12 AM Rick Stanley <rstanley907@...> wrote:
Bill,

      Any ballpark on shipping cost for a full set of sails from La Rochelle/Brest to Baltimore? Just wondering if I need to tack on another two grand for shipping and whatever taxes they'll assess.

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow
S/V Althea, SM2k #317
Rock Hall, MD


Re: Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I want to add some more solar and while I never liked the idea of rail mounting ,I don't want to modify my bimini either. My problem is ,that most panels with decent output are approx . 40 + inches wide . From the rail down to the rub rail is only about 26 inches . I would then have over a foot inboard of the rail. How wide of a panel do you recommend ?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 6, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Solar panels stainless steel mounted vs soft panels

Hi Greg, That was what I would have done had I gone internal but as I said I surface mounted "temporarily" and it was so satisfactory I left it as it was. I don't think anyone even notices the wires.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 07 September 2021 at 04:13 Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

JB, Danny,
The Frenchman who installed my rail mounted panels had an interesting way of leading the wiring inside the boat. 
You can see the waterproof gland in the gunwhale which he then led into the conduit in the corner of the hull to deck joint. From there he could take the wiring anywhere in the boat, very easily.
Interesting approach.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
image1.jpeg

 

On Sep 6, 2021, at 6:17 PM, JB Duler < jbduler@...> wrote:

Danny and Greg, thank you so much! I did not know anything about that Swedish company (I had seen their table).
Great find and a fantastic resource for me.
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

 

 


Dock lines length for a SM

Jose Venegas
 

Dear Amelian frieds.  
I bought 300 ft of docking line for Ipanema.  Has anyone thought out the best size to cut the docking lines for our boat?


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

Here is a new photo Bill

i have disconnected the extraneous wire bit the short still exists. I will try to trace those wires but they don’t appear to be the cause of the current issue as I’m certain that they have been there since I took ownership. 


Paul


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

No problem. Glad I could help you narrow it down.

I want to correct this statement you made to John: "where there is voltage there is current"

It is possible to have voltage without current flow.  However, you cannot have current flow without voltage.  Voltage means there is the "potential" to have current flow.  Think of a battery.  If you measure the voltage across the positive and negative terminals with a multimeter, you will see voltage between those two points.  Therefore, there is the "potential" to have current flow between them.  However, there is no current flow because the circuit is not complete.  If you were to put a wire between the terminals, you would complete the circuit and then you will have current flowing in the wire (don't try this part with a 100aH lead acid battery!) 

Therefore, if you measure the voltage between the 24v house bank (+) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire you will see a voltage reading that is very close to your house bank voltage (24-28v).  If you measure voltage between the 24v house bank (-) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire with a really good multimeter you might also see a very small voltage potential (probably millivolts or zero).

Here's my understanding of how the "Masse" leak detector works.  The Masse + and Masse - tester puts an LED light bulb in a switched circuit between 24v (+)  or 24v (-) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire.  When you close the switch it completes half the circuit.  If there are no connections between 24v (+)  or 24v (-) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire, nothing happens.  However, if somewhere on the boat you have a connection between 24v (+) or 24v (-) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire that completes the OTHER half of the circuit.  Therefore, current will flow and the LED light bulb will light up.  The more current flowing, the brighter the light.

I periodically "test the tester" by purposely connecting 24v (+) or 24v (-) (one at a time) to bonding and then switching the Masse + and Masse - to make sure the LED light lights up.  I do this behind the Nav station "curtain" as there is relatively easy access to 24v (+), 24v (-) and the Yellow/Green bonding wire.  Usually I do it right after I read a thread like this one!  The test has always worked and thankfully, I have never found a leak.  

Hope this helps!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Seal Bay, ME USA


Re: QSails, Turkey and Incidence Sails, France

Rick Stanley
 

Bill,

      Any ballpark on shipping cost for a full set of sails from La Rochelle/Brest to Baltimore? Just wondering if I need to tack on another two grand for shipping and whatever taxes they'll assess.

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow
S/V Althea, SM2k #317
Rock Hall, MD

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