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Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Porter McRoberts
 

Paul. 
Do you have continuity between the negative pole of the 24 system and the rigging, when testing with a multimeter?

If there is a closed circuit, you should.  

Porter
A54-152


On Sep 11, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003@...> wrote:

Bill R.,

Those wires appear to go to the stereo system amplifier, but they are not the root of the problem as disconnecting them didn’t make the issue go away.  However, I am keeping then disconnected until I can find a better negative terminal to connect them to.

Alan,

In my earlier post, I thought that I had identified the problem circuit as being the instruments/devices connected to the Navigation Breaker as I was not seeing house bank voltage when testing with the breaker off.  The problem is however, I was doing the testing on the Nav Bus behind the navigation station.  When I test elsewhere, I still have house bank voltage on the positive side.

My situation is basically identical to Marks’.  My Masse Light is working, When I install a jumper wire from the positive terminal on the Nav Bus to bonding and turn the Masse Light to + the light shines brightly.  Likewise, when I do the same using the negative terminal and turn the Masse Light to - the light shines brightly.  However, with no jumper wires installed, I get no illumination at all, and I have checked in the dead of night.

So as you said, there has to be a connection somewhere, but also like Mark, the leak has to be small if the Masse Light does not illuminate correct?

Is there a way to check current flow through the bonding wire with a multi meter?  If so, what is the procedure?

One last question.  I searched for the abbreviation “ve” but could not find anything.  I assume it means voltage but is there anything special about using ve vs V?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Huntington, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: B&G Sonic Speed sensors replacement

Jason Rutledge
 

Michele,  I did this last year with Gary Silver.  It wasn't hard.  The sensors in the boat and keel, were just pushed in.  We carefully drilled a small hole into each broken sensors (this was the hard part) and then put a screw in the sensor.  There is a hard piece of something inside the sensor, that took some patience to drill through,  We made sure the cables were loose and pulled on the screws and the sensors came right out.  I believe Bill Rouse has a write up on it....
--
Jason Rutledge
SV Liahona
SM 335


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Paul Stascavage
 

Bill R.,

Those wires appear to go to the stereo system amplifier, but they are not the root of the problem as disconnecting them didn’t make the issue go away.  However, I am keeping then disconnected until I can find a better negative terminal to connect them to.

Alan,

In my earlier post, I thought that I had identified the problem circuit as being the instruments/devices connected to the Navigation Breaker as I was not seeing house bank voltage when testing with the breaker off.  The problem is however, I was doing the testing on the Nav Bus behind the navigation station.  When I test elsewhere, I still have house bank voltage on the positive side.

My situation is basically identical to Marks’.  My Masse Light is working, When I install a jumper wire from the positive terminal on the Nav Bus to bonding and turn the Masse Light to + the light shines brightly.  Likewise, when I do the same using the negative terminal and turn the Masse Light to - the light shines brightly.  However, with no jumper wires installed, I get no illumination at all, and I have checked in the dead of night.

So as you said, there has to be a connection somewhere, but also like Mark, the leak has to be small if the Masse Light does not illuminate correct?

Is there a way to check current flow through the bonding wire with a multi meter?  If so, what is the procedure?

One last question.  I searched for the abbreviation “ve” but could not find anything.  I assume it means voltage but is there anything special about using ve vs V?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Huntington, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: randomly occurring increases of engine temperature

Jose Venegas
 

Bob,
This is a good idea. I agree that in the tropics running the generator + water maker+ Bat Chargers can cause create a lot of heat. Increasing the air flow can only help. Also adding and pointing a fan to the high pressure pump of the water maker is something I have in my list.
Jose
Ipanema SM2k 278


Re: Size of rail mounted solar panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat. You can see the attachment in this photo. I bought the panels and the purpose made  attachments off the shelf at Island Water World Sint Maarten

On 11 September 2021 at 01:06 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, 
That is the same size as I have decided on. They are only 180w , 12v but I have three 140w already. Since what I have is three 12v panels in series ,I was advised to stay with 12v panels and connect them in the series ,this way I do not need to add another controller ,since what I have can handle up to 1200 watts.
Could you tell me how you mounted them ,did you buy the mounts or make them ?
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: Amel owners group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2021 7:32 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Size of rail mounted solar panels

Hi  Pat, I know you said you had a new plan but I was on the boat so here are my panel sizes. Two panels mounted aft of the cockpit , port side almost touching each other each panel 1425mm X 650mm. Swiveling on the rail, 1/3 in 2/3 out. friction holds them, no stay.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


Re: VICTRON MPPT 75/15

Matt Salatino
 
Edited

Our panels are 60 volts, feeding a 24 volt house bank.


Re: Size of rail mounted solar panels

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, 
That is the same size as I have decided on. They are only 180w , 12v but I have three 140w already. Since what I have is three 12v panels in series ,I was advised to stay with 12v panels and connect them in the series ,this way I do not need to add another controller ,since what I have can handle up to 1200 watts.
Could you tell me how you mounted them ,did you buy the mounts or make them ?
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: Amel owners group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 9, 2021 7:32 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Size of rail mounted solar panels

Hi  Pat, I know you said you had a new plan but I was on the boat so here are my panel sizes. Two panels mounted aft of the cockpit , port side almost touching each other each panel 1425mm X 650mm. Swiveling on the rail, 1/3 in 2/3 out. friction holds them, no stay.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Gregory,
I used Tef-Gel from Tikal. Yes,  it would be interesting to see how it looks like after 5 years.
Wolfgang


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Paul Osterberg
 

Juan 
I bought 16 cells from RJ in China in total 540 Ah 24 volt (2700 USD free delivery, Portugal), opted for a high quality BMS MasterLi including high quality Contactors ( 750 A continius load) Cost for BMS contactors Busbars fuses etc close to 2000 USD. The BMS workshop with a AUX lead acid battery, taking  the charge from what ever you  charging your Li pack with when the charge relay open, so no risk for regulators it always work towards a load. I use my Victron MultiPlus who is controlled directly by the BMS, My old original Dolphins charger also works without problems, of course Solar MPPT works great as well. For the Alternator I used my previous installed Balmar external regulator works good. The BMS cut the field line a few seconds before the charge relay opens, that to protect the Alternator. The good thing is if the BMS or Li pack malfunction I can still run communication and navigation from my AUX battery. Have had the system now for 6 month, very pleased so far. But part of my satisfaction is due to 1,4 kW of solar power. Do all the cocking on induction. Run the calorifier from the inverter.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Hypalon-RIB 250cm storage

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila <ann-sofie@...>
 

To be able to store the dingy in the aft lazarer, you can’t have a solid bottom. You have to be able to fold it.

Here is how we store our dinghy. Having a slide we mount over the aft it is super easy to launch it and get it back up again.
We have hade this system for 16 years, sailed Europe-Caribbean back and forth and many years in The Med. We do have a cover that we put on during lo g distances over open sea to prevent it to be waterfilled.

Not a very goid picture but it is what I have availeble right now.



Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

10/09/2021 kl. 11:51 skrev Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

Hello Slavko,

Would you get it in the lazarette? I doubt it.
We have a 2.6m Highfield RIB and we store it upside down on the aft cabin roof under the mizzen boom, bow facing aft. It JUST fits.
We had a custom elasticised Sunbrella cover made for it and it's held down with webbing straps to the rails on the cabin roof. 
We have sailed across the South Pacific with it like this and have not had any issues even with white water coming over the boat. 

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Hypalon-RIB 250cm storage

Alan Leslie
 
Edited

Hello Slavko,

Would you get it in the lazarette? I doubt it.
We have a 2.6m Highfield RIB and we store it upside down on the aft cabin roof under the mizzen boom, bow facing aft. It JUST fits.
We had a custom elasticised Sunbrella cover made for it and it's held down with webbing straps to the rails on the cabin roof. 
We have sailed across the South Pacific with it like this and have not had any issues even with white water coming over the boat. 

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Lithium Battery BMS

Juan de Zulueta
 

I am planning to replace my 400 ah 24v gel batteries with Lithium batteries.
My charging devices are :
Alternator Mastervolt 24v 75 ah
Mass combi Mastervolt 24 v 60 ah , 220v 2600 w
MPPT victron with 1500 watt of solar panels

Mastervolt  lithium batteries are extremely expensive.
since my boat is in the Caribbean I was looking into American providers like Battle Born batteries or equivalent.

I have concerns regarding the overall security of the installation.

Mastervolt and Victron batteries BMS  send a message to the charging devices before security shut down to stop charge.

i did not find the same capability with batteries have an internal BMS like Chinese or US lithium batteries.

What is the risk  for the charging device (charger, alternator, MPPT solar) if the battery is suddenly disconnected by the BMS during the charging process. . I know Sv Delos is using Battle Born batteries, do you what type of solution they have implemented?

if there a solution to interface a Battery BMS with Masterbus to send the message “ stop charge” to the Mastervolt charging devices?

best regards.


--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

Gregory Dmitriev
 

Hi Wolfgang, 
how did you protect the contact between still bearing and aluminum case?
thx!


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Mark Erdos
 

Teun,

 

I have always been very honest with the insurance company about how the vessel ownership is structured. I have a string of emails where they have approved various address scenarios. Using a corporate address is entirely on the up and up. I was told this is the way most mega-yachts are structured.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Teun BAAS
Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

It is not necessarily that simple. Until last year I had my boat owned by an UK corporation which was owned by a HONG KONG Holding which ultimately I own; she was Dutch registered; I hold Dutch passport; but also USA as well as CHINA legal residency. Still several insurance companies were asking about ultimate beneficiary of these corporations.

 

In 1 case I was asked where I file my taxes which is both in USA as well as the NETHERLANDS. As soon as they realize the USA connection they refused my application.

 

Also - it is very possible to avoid or down play my USA connection (f.e.: by using the address of my overseas companies) but I really don't want to run the risk once I have a substantial claim that they investigate and deny coverage under the premises that I didn't fully disclose on my application.

 

 

T

 

.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: "Mark Erdos via groups.io" <mcerdos@...>

Date: 9/7/21 19:46 (GMT-08:00)

To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

On the contrary, having the vessel owned by an LLC has many advantages. First, there is the obvious tax advantage. Second, if you are American and you flag and own your vessel outside of the USA, you can obtain insurance where other US flagged vessels can’t. When it comes time to sell the vessel, you can sell the entire corporation to the new owner. This way the new owner gets the insurance, licenses etc. I would never buy a vessel this way, but it is an option. Perhaps the best advantage is the protection of your personal assets should be find yourself liable in an accident or spill of some type. Keep in mind laws change from country to country but all will recognize limited liability.

 

One of the other reasons we put our Amel into a corporation was survivor benefits. As share holders, we both have ownership. A friend had a lot of trouble when her husband died in a foreign port. She found out the hard way how every country has different laws. The vessel was in his name and they refused to immediately acknowledge their US legal will. The vessel was seized. She had to hire a local lawyer and eventually got control of the vessel so she could sell it.

 

All port authorities understand corporate owned vessels. If a single super yacht has ever entered their country, then they understand. Every single large yacht is corporate owned. We are BVI owned and flagged and have never had issue with entering.  

 

The cost can vary from country to country. There are big differences. Grand Cayman is one of the most expensive. Some countries require tonnage surveys and vessel surveys. You need to watch for annual fees and filing requirements for the corporation. Also, countries require registration renewals at various times. Some are annually which is a real pain if you plan to sail the globe.

 

If you have specific questions feel free to private email me.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347 via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 10:39 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 


I’m thinking about putting a new boat into an LLC or corporation  legal entity.  Has anyone done such and run into issues in a  foreign port?  Do most customs and port authorities understand these documentations?  I would think so but maybe not in smaller nations 


Size of rail mounted solar panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi  Pat, I know you said you had a new plan but I was on the boat so here are my panel sizes. Two panels mounted aft of the cockpit , port side almost touching each other each panel 1425mm X 650mm. Swiveling on the rail, 1/3 in 2/3 out. friction holds them, no stay.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

 

Gregory

I think your 54 is no 172. You will need to get the gearbox and motors from Amel. The motor you have is considered non-repairable.
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 7:45 AM Gregory Dmitriev <41greg.marine@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
the worst assumptions came to be true.
bearings, gaskets and seals of gearbox are dead.
does anybody know if there are issues of replacement of both bearings ? Still - aluminum contact? Stainless bearings?

I didn’t open the motor yet, So, expect the worst.


It was just a luck that problems didn’t appear in the passage of 1700 miles. 


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Mark McGovern
 

Bob,

Thanks for the idea on how to check all the saltwater pumps for leaks in one go.  I converted the heads to freshwater flush about 2 years ago so they are not a likely culprit.  I also just changed out our watermaker membranes 2 weeks ago so we have the lowest TDS and EC water we've ever had.  This leak is so minimal, that the Masse - light does not actually even light up.  I only know that there is a connection between the bonding circuit and -ve because I can read house bank voltage between +ve and bonding.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Camden, ME USA


B&G Sonic Speed sensors replacement

MICHELE LUCCIOLA
 

Hello and good evening from Rome
This summer I experienced  on  my SM2000 some troubles with the reading of the B&G speedometer.
I saw the documents in the files section, but there is not indication about how to replace them.
 I have to replace the sensors (that I have found in Ebay) but I'm not sure that this is an easy work ....especially to remove the old ones. Does anyone did this job before? I'm very scared about the sensor on the keel....I have seen that the sensors are two little plastic tubes but I don't know how they are fixed to the boat because there is no o'rings on the tube so I assumed that the tube is fixed with resin to the hull and to the keel....
If possible I prefer to replace the sonic speed sensors and don't do a new hole to instal a new sensor; for that reason I will be happy to receive comments from you
Thanks in advance
Michele


Re: randomly occurring increases of engine temperature

rossirossix4
 

Just for the record--My Santorin which always had constant temperatures on its temp gauge (would change only with changes in ocean water temps) One time I noticed a 5F increase in engine temp.  An inspection showed my engine room exhaust fan had failed (it had been working when I checked for outflow during startup).  So it may have an effect but rather small.

Slightly related--I have always suspected that high engine room temps during generator operation has caused those expensive Onan control board failures.  Using the  dessalinator in the tropics whicle running the gernerator results in a great deal of heat in the engine room.  Because the generator combines a diesel engine with a somewhat air cooled alternator it manages to product quite a bit of heat and the feed and high pressure pumps also produce heat.  When making RO water I have gotten into the habit of leaving the cockpit floor open.   Because I have a 220V outlet mounted high on the forward bulkhead of my engine room I also have a small portable 220V fan that is pointed toward the dessalinator pumps.  I've also pointed it at the control panel of the generator at times.   The extraction fan, even after I replaced the capacitor is still relatively weak, and I believe a design error.  When we are running a generator we have PLENTY OF EXTRA power to power an exhaust and a much needed needed intake fan.  How about a dedicated 220 to 12V converter wired to the engine intake and exhaust fans.  Anyone have any ideas?

Bob, KAIMI SM 429


Re: VICTRON MPPT 75/15

Alain Durante <info@...>
 

Merci Greg.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54 / 21 / Meige

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Gregory Shea via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 8 septembre 2021 23:52
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] VICTRON MPPT 75/15

 

Bonjour Alain, 

Mine are 12 volts.

 

Greg Shea



On Sep 8, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:



Bonjour Greg,

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

Each of your panels are 12V or 24V?

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

Amel 54/21 Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Gregory Shea via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 8 septembre 2021 15:15
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] VICTRON MPPT 75/15

 

Bonjour Alain, 

I have your problem because a cheap Chinese panel in my solar array cannot reach minimum voltage for the MPPT to turn on each morning. The MPPT “sees” the minimum voltage in a parallel system so, if one panel is under performing, the MPPT won’t turn on, even if all the other panels are above minimum. You can troubleshoot it by checking the voltage output of each of the panels connected to that MPPT, after you know you have enough solar power in the morning because the second MOPT switches on.

I don’t remember what the minimum voltage needs to be, but your Victron App should tell you. 

I solved the problem by putting an inline switch in the positive lead from the weak panel. When the MPPT does not start, I take take panel out of the array by using the inline switch. When  the MPPT starts, I switch the weak panel back in again. Once the controller is functioning, it will accept the weak panel as just one part of the array and everything functions normally. 

For me, or was not a serious enough problem to justify buying  a new panel, but that would be the correct solution.

That is one possibility, hope it helps.

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Kilada




On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:15 AM, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:



Bonjour Stefano

 

Thank you for your reply, I will try soon and let you know.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54 / 21 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Stefano Biffi via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 8 septembre 2021 09:40
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] VICTRON MPPT 75/15

 

Hallo, I have the same mppt, after the season restart I had the same, found all 4 breakers.. I make them OFF and ON, for me was remove and reposition, and everything was back on duty. Hope it will help you 

Stefano

N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185

Italy 





Il giorno 8 set 2021, alle ore 09:17, Alain Durante <info@...> ha scritto:



Hello,

I am having problem to connect my new Solara pannels, I have 2 Victron MPPT 75/15, one is working fine for already installed pannels and the only difference I can found between these 2 MPPT, is the status of the battery is showing "Bulk" for the one working and "Off" for the one not working.

Does any one knows how to change it from off to bulk?

Thank you for your help.

Alain
Amel 54/21 Meige
Currently in Corsica 

 

 








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