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Re: Kohler Generator not starting

Darrol Martin
 

Hi Bill,

It's a 5KW, 4E FOZ.  Thanks for reaching out.

Regards,
Darrol


Re: Shore power in the USA

Paul Harries
 

https://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Why-You-Should-Add-an-Isolation-Transformer-to-your-Boat/-84973?



On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 15:49, Paul Harries via groups.io
<Pharries@...> wrote:
When u connect to usa 220v both hot wires are live and 110v off from true neutral, best option would be to use an isolation transformer in this situation. Otherwise risk of electrolysis and electric shock.


On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 15:42, Ben Driver
<bddriver@...> wrote:
Wire the neutral on Amel European plug to second hot in North America plug

Ben Driver

On Sep 12, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:



I am in a marina is the US and have been using their single-phase 240 volt shore power outlet (with three blades)  without issue for more than two seasons.  Some years ago, I made a pigtail with a European pin-and-sleeve receptacle at one end, to take the 32 amp Amel shore power cord, and a Marinco 125/250v 50 amp 3-blade US plug on the other.  That worked fine at my dock.

 

The Marinco side of the pigtail came apart the other day, so I rewired it but could not find my notes on how I did it the first-time some years ago.  Now I only get 120 volts.  I wired hot to hot (“X”), neutral to neutral, and ground to ground.  I left the “Y” connection on the Marinco empty.  I think that I  remember that to get 240 volts the wiring has to be different.  There is no neutral in European power do perhaps that wire should carry power to “Y”?  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM419, Rhode Island, USA


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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer

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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Shore power in the USA

Paul Harries
 

When u connect to usa 220v both hot wires are live and 110v off from true neutral, best option would be to use an isolation transformer in this situation. Otherwise risk of electrolysis and electric shock.


On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 15:42, Ben Driver
<bddriver@...> wrote:
Wire the neutral on Amel European plug to second hot in North America plug

Ben Driver

On Sep 12, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:



I am in a marina is the US and have been using their single-phase 240 volt shore power outlet (with three blades)  without issue for more than two seasons.  Some years ago, I made a pigtail with a European pin-and-sleeve receptacle at one end, to take the 32 amp Amel shore power cord, and a Marinco 125/250v 50 amp 3-blade US plug on the other.  That worked fine at my dock.

 

The Marinco side of the pigtail came apart the other day, so I rewired it but could not find my notes on how I did it the first-time some years ago.  Now I only get 120 volts.  I wired hot to hot (“X”), neutral to neutral, and ground to ground.  I left the “Y” connection on the Marinco empty.  I think that I  remember that to get 240 volts the wiring has to be different.  There is no neutral in European power do perhaps that wire should carry power to “Y”?  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM419, Rhode Island, USA


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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Shore power in the USA

Ben Driver
 

Wire the neutral on Amel European plug to second hot in North America plug

Ben Driver

On Sep 12, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:



I am in a marina is the US and have been using their single-phase 240 volt shore power outlet (with three blades)  without issue for more than two seasons.  Some years ago, I made a pigtail with a European pin-and-sleeve receptacle at one end, to take the 32 amp Amel shore power cord, and a Marinco 125/250v 50 amp 3-blade US plug on the other.  That worked fine at my dock.

 

The Marinco side of the pigtail came apart the other day, so I rewired it but could not find my notes on how I did it the first-time some years ago.  Now I only get 120 volts.  I wired hot to hot (“X”), neutral to neutral, and ground to ground.  I left the “Y” connection on the Marinco empty.  I think that I  remember that to get 240 volts the wiring has to be different.  There is no neutral in European power do perhaps that wire should carry power to “Y”?  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM419, Rhode Island, USA


Shore power in the USA

Mark Pitt
 

I am in a marina is the US and have been using their single-phase 240 volt shore power outlet (with three blades)  without issue for more than two seasons.  Some years ago, I made a pigtail with a European pin-and-sleeve receptacle at one end, to take the 32 amp Amel shore power cord, and a Marinco 125/250v 50 amp 3-blade US plug on the other.  That worked fine at my dock.

 

The Marinco side of the pigtail came apart the other day, so I rewired it but could not find my notes on how I did it the first-time some years ago.  Now I only get 120 volts.  I wired hot to hot (“X”), neutral to neutral, and ground to ground.  I left the “Y” connection on the Marinco empty.  I think that I  remember that to get 240 volts the wiring has to be different.  There is no neutral in European power do perhaps that wire should carry power to “Y”?  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM419, Rhode Island, USA


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Paul Harries
 

Please help my understanding.
As the boat is 24v why buy 12 v or 6v batteries? My understanding is 12v or 6v would have to be connected in series to give 24 v. Again from what I understand most bms just manage individual batteries as opposed to monitoring batteries as an integrated series. As a result problems could occur if series batteries not balanced. Please educate me on this issue
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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Tablet Mount

Vladan SV PAME
 

Hi Chuck,

I use this https://www.scanstrut.com/marine/sail-boat/mount/rokk-mini

Best,
--
Vladan

A54 #157
SV PAME


What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have 3x Mastervolt MLI Ultra 5500 batteries on my boat, new this year.  I’m starting to think about what to do with the batteries over the winter when I will not be on the boat.  When I had my gel batteries, I would turn off all loads and put the charger on or leave the solar charger on.  Following some of the discussion about charging LiFePO4 batteries on this forum, I‘m gathering that some people think it‘s not a good idea to leave these batteries on a charger all winter long.  However, the MV manual says just that:

„If the battery will not be used for a period exceeding 3 months, we advise the following:
• If external AC power is available switch off all loads and switch on the charger. Apply a float voltage as specified in the following table.
Model Float voltage setting
12V 13.5V 24V 27.0V
• If no external AC power is available:
- Charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity before storage.
- Set the safety relay knob to “LOCK OFF”, see page 11.
- Make sure MasterBus powering is not set to "Always on" (see Configuration tab in
MasterAdjust).
In this setup the batteries can be kept at least 6 months without maintenance. However, it is highly recommended to charge the battery to > 80% of its capacity every 100 days.“

I hate to second guess MV but I wonder if this group includes any engineers with the relevant specialist knowledge who can explain/critique this advice?  

I have considered just disconnecting them but with the boat in the water over the winter, I don‘t want to be without the bilge pump being operative.  

Thanks in advance!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle



Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Dominique Sery
 

Bonjour Juan,
My lead batteries need to be changed, I switched to lithium.  I took everything in Victron (cheaper than Mastervolt) and available in stores in France, although the price is still very high.  So 6 x 12.8 v 200 Ah, exactly the same capacity I had in lead.  (half in size) + Skylla 100A charger + 24V 3000 VA inverter + Ve-bms + Battery protect (65A for the 24 v alternator and 200A for the load) + BMV 712 + alarm.Everything is in bluetooth and is controlled with the  Victron-connect application.  In use, it is day and night with the previous equipment.  Why Victron?  Because the size of their batteries fit the battery compartment perfectly and I wanted everything in the same brand.  It works great, according to specs, fast charging, higher load.  No regrets (yet).
 Cordialement
Dominique
A54


Re: Additional webbing above tack on Q-Sails Genoa Question

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thank you for that write up Bill. That was very helpful and informative. You contribute much to the forum. 

Chuck and Kim. Joy


Re: Kohler Generator not starting

Bill Kinney
 

Darryl,

Which model generator do you have?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Tablet Mount

Matt Salatino
 

No screws. Works very well. Rock solid.
check Arkon mounts on Amazon. They have many types. Inexpensive also.


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Paul Osterberg
 

I only made space for 2x70 Ah batteries, 
But depending on how much other stuff you put in the battery compartment you may have space for more. In the picture you see the starter battery and the 2x70 Ah batteries. 
Paul


Kohler Generator not starting

Darrol Martin
 

I'm an Amel newbie.  I have a lovely Amel Mango.  I've been having intermittent problems starting the generator.  Today it won't start.  There is power on the starter, but no power on the controller on the generator  ie no LEDs glowing in the controller. Can anybody help with thoughts and ideas.

Thanks,
Darrol
SV DISA
Mango #72


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Juan de Zulueta
 

Paul,

this is indeed an interesting solution quite interesting in terms of price and functionality.
how many ah of standard battery did you keep?
i am still interested to hear from other implementations of lithium batteries offering a real security.

bestbregards.
--
Juan de Zulueta
OPHELIE X
Super Maramu #32


Re: Additional webbing above tack on Q-Sails Genoa Question

Bill Kinney
 

I will add, both of the genoas we have had on Harmonie (one from North, and one from Island Planet) have had webbing for lashing like this.  It’s a great safety feature. On the other hand, if your halyard tension is high enough, it really shouldn’t be needed to keep the luff tape from pulling out of the foil.  

If you are having difficulty with the luff tape pulling out, are you sure that the halyard tension is high enough?  And that the luff tape is the right size?  If the jib car traveler is too far aft, this can also pull too hard on the foot of the sail, and the clew can pull away from the foil as a result. 

Halyard tension on the genoa is a dynamic adjustment, and is really quite important for good sail shape and boat performance.  Higher tension pulls the draft back forward in strong winds letting the boat point higher and make better progress to windward. Easing up a bit  in lighter winds powers up the sail when needed.  Halyard tension while sailing should ALWAYS be high enough to fully carry the weight of the furling motor, and keep the metal support bracket under tension.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Additional webbing above tack on Q-Sails Genoa Question

 

Yes, basically the same for all sails. It is a wonderful and simple addition. Do not order any furling sail without this feature. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 6:57 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote:
Thank you BIll,

very similar just for the Genoa. Your picture seems to show the main or mizzen sail.
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Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417


Re: Additional webbing above tack on Q-Sails Genoa Question

Michael & Robyn
 

Thank you BIll,

very similar just for the Genoa. Your picture seems to show the main or mizzen sail.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Porter McRoberts
 

Copy that Bill. 
My thought was, since the connection is so tenuous, check continuity closer to the possible offending item. Check continuity between the negative terminal of the item and the bonding for that item, or rig, if it’s an A54. 

We also show a Voltage potential between the positive 24 v terminal and the rig. But no continuity between the negative and the bonding/ rig. At the Nav terminal. 

Porter
A54-152


On Sep 12, 2021, at 12:15 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Porter,

I believe that Amel did not start connecting the rigging to binding until the A54 production. Paul has a late-model SM, and possibly it began then.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:36 PM Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Paul. 
Do you have continuity between the negative pole of the 24 system and the rigging, when testing with a multimeter?

If there is a closed circuit, you should.  

Porter
A54-152


On Sep 11, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Bill R.,

Those wires appear to go to the stereo system amplifier, but they are not the root of the problem as disconnecting them didn’t make the issue go away.  However, I am keeping then disconnected until I can find a better negative terminal to connect them to.

Alan,

In my earlier post, I thought that I had identified the problem circuit as being the instruments/devices connected to the Navigation Breaker as I was not seeing house bank voltage when testing with the breaker off.  The problem is however, I was doing the testing on the Nav Bus behind the navigation station.  When I test elsewhere, I still have house bank voltage on the positive side.

My situation is basically identical to Marks’.  My Masse Light is working, When I install a jumper wire from the positive terminal on the Nav Bus to bonding and turn the Masse Light to + the light shines brightly.  Likewise, when I do the same using the negative terminal and turn the Masse Light to - the light shines brightly.  However, with no jumper wires installed, I get no illumination at all, and I have checked in the dead of night.

So as you said, there has to be a connection somewhere, but also like Mark, the leak has to be small if the Masse Light does not illuminate correct?

Is there a way to check current flow through the bonding wire with a multi meter?  If so, what is the procedure?

One last question.  I searched for the abbreviation “ve” but could not find anything.  I assume it means voltage but is there anything special about using ve vs V?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Huntington, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com


Tablet Mount

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,

I am interested in mounting an ipad in the nav station area. Something non-marring not permanent no holes. If you have a picture of your setup that would be great. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 

sv Joy 388

Le Marin Martinique 

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