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Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

John,

This term "proof of competency" is used often and is intended to mean that you have "something" from a government or accredited sailing school certifying your training on a vessel. But what it technically means is what the government using the term intends it to mean. Each country can have different standards. Scott mentioned Montenegro. We have friends who sailed around the world and were refused entry into Montenegro because they did not have "Proof of Competency" paperwork. To your question about the card a charter company gives you, I assume this might work with an official, but also assume that the person who wrote this rule did not intend the charter company card.

Judy and I had USCG Captains licenses which were accepted with no questions asked in 58 countries, around the world.
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Bill




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 8:48 AM John Babot via groups.io <jbabot=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  What does/did your "proof of competency" look like?  I thought that was for those chartering boats.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

John Babot
 

Bill,  What does/did your "proof of competency" look like?  I thought that was for those chartering boats.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

I found the Montenegro official to be the "strictest and by-the-book" official out of 53 countries. He insisted on proof of competency, insurance, passports, crew list, registration, and yes, a corporate resolution to operate the vessel. I am surprised that he didn't require the corporate seal on the resolution. That said, I saw an American give him a NJ driver's license, insisting that in NJ the drivers license covers boats. BTW, Montenegro is not the only place that will require a corporate resolution and most will require the corporate seal, and possible notarization. And that official had a 30-day insurance policy to sell you if you arrived without a current insurance policy (helpful or conflicted).

Sometimes how an official acts has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the person he saw before you that decides to tell the official how his country and he should operate. This is compounded when the official associates you with the previous person because you both spoke the same language.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:39 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
I have Tengah in a LLC.

Only issue in the last 30+ countries was in Montenegro. They refused entry unless we had a letter from the LLC giving me permission to operate the vessel.

We wrote one and they didn't get their bribe.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Dan Carlson
 

It's been a while since I gave a shout out for the WakeSpeed Ws500 alternator controller. I am very pleased with it. 

On of my favorite features with the standard LiFePO charge setting it a simple on/off switch at the helm. ON - enables the standard LiFePO charge setting of 27.5bulk, 26.72 float. OFF - just regulates the alternator to maintain the 26.72v float. I leave it off as a default as I like to be paying attention when I am fully charging my batteries, as well as moderating my alternator load on the engine when maneuvering around a marina, etc

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 1:50 AM Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bonjour Juan,
it’s easy to control the Mastervolt alternator with external Alpha pro regulator using a Victron Battery-protect (the smallest), in position 7 it is used as a control relay by the Victron Ve-bms.  The consumption is 1.5 mA completely compatible with the maximum authorized current of 10 mA of the Ve-bms.  A second, ordinary relay, powered by the ignition key, will only activate it when the engine is running (+ a manual switch for security).  The bluetooth version of this Battery Protect allows you to control the charge with a smartphone (stop and start).  When I sail with the engine, as soon as the voltage of the batteries reaches 27.6 v (95-98% of charge) I stop the alternator with the smartphone so as not to keep the batteries at a high voltage for too long (the duration of  absorption of 28.5 v is 4 h with the Alpha pro).  For the other loads, if they are Victrons they can be managed by the Ve-bms otherwise either they have a remote control and another small BP will be used or there is none and a Battery protect of suitable power can be put  on the charging cables.  Note that the Ve-bms has a maximum control of 10 mA for the charge and 2 amps for the load (+ 50 mA for the pre-discharge alarm).  A bluetooth BMV with audible alarm informs as soon as the voltage is high or low (adjustable). The smartphone will check each battery cell and you can stop the charge or the load if necessary.
For the battery charger, if you are in the boat, you can drive it yourself with the  bmv and stop it as soon as the charge is finished.
Cordialement
Dominique
Irko A54#16


Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Dan Carlson
 

On BeBe I have a Victron Venus GX which acts as a hub between all ov my Victron devices. It can also monitor and control other devices through CAN Bus connections. But with respect to this thread, it connects to Victron's web server via WiFi.  

You can potentially connect it directly to a marina wifi or via your ships network. In my case we purchased a stand alone wifi hotspot called SkyRoam, from Solaris. It works globally (130+ countries) via cellular networks (I don't know if it is sold everywhere).  They have very flexible data packages. The data is not necessarily cheap but we loaded up 5 gig before we left for the summer and have barely used 100 meg while away.

Once connected I can see the Victron GX (see attached screenshot) from anywhere on my phone app, AND I can also turn my Victron MultiPlus charger/inverter on and off remotely.  I have a trickle charger on my Inverter circuit that is connected to my starter battery, a month ago I turned on the inverter and monitored the current flow as the I topped off the start battery for a few hours)

I maintain my LiFePo house bank via solar, but have set the float back to about 26.6v (less than 70% SOC).

The screen shot taken earlier this am shows my over night voltage and some charge starting to come in from the solar. 
I can drill in and see consumption, solar generation and trends over time.  

It gives me great peace of mind to be able to click on an app and see a few critical things going on the boat while away.

Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, sm #387





On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 7:08 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
We left the boat for 4 months earlier this year and while I have a Victron based system, I think you can achieve the same on MV:

I left one fridge on (brushless pump, so pump life is less of a concern) to circulate freshwater in the tanks and had my battery monitor (BMV-712) open the bi-stable programmable relay when the battery went above 70% and close again when it went below 60%. This signal fed into the remote on/off input on my Quattro inverter and acted to turn on the inverter above 70% and turn off the inverter below 60%.

I had a 220v dehumidifier (around 200w) plugged in. 

Per my boat watcher, it worked perfectly. Our boat was drier than any other he had seen and the battery stayed in a range to maximize longevity.With my 960w solar, this keeps the battery cycling between roughly 55% and 100%. At that depth of discharge, the batteries would outlive me! Bonus is that the boat is completely dry inside, too. 

I am almost certain you can do something similar with MV. Sv Garulfo has a full MV lithium setup and borrowed my dehumidifier when they left for a brief period so they can probably explain how they did it.

Also, MV's solution doesn't seem terrible as long as the charger goes into float at a low enough SOC. If bulk/absorption ends at say 27.4v and that is the equivalent of around 65% SOC and then it holds at 27v float, then you aren't holding your battery at high SOC, so it should be ok. The flat voltage discharge curve that makes lithium so great also makes it hard to estimate SOC from voltage.  But I'm sure MV's battery monitor can talk to the chargers to tell them to shutoff charging at a user-specified SOC level?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Scott SV Tengah
 

I have Tengah in a LLC.

Only issue in the last 30+ countries was in Montenegro. They refused entry unless we had a letter from the LLC giving me permission to operate the vessel.

We wrote one and they didn't get their bribe.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: 24V+ Isolated Ground Leak

Scott SV Tengah
 

Amel started connecting rigging to bonding with the 2009 A54s.

My 2007 A54 did not have bonding and rigging connected until I installed a new VHF antenna as the braided shield on the coax is connected to the PL-259 plug, which is electrically connected to the mast on one end and the VHF head unit on the other end. The head unit case is bonded, hence the connection between rigging and bonding.

After this connection, the masse light revealed a neg leak in the rigging from a chafed bow light neg wire that was undetectable by the masse light prior.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul: Third reason -  if my starter battery dies, I can easily substitute one of my lithium batteries to start the 12v motor. 

Dominique: How did you wire the BP-200? Were you able to find a wire that passes through JUST the low current 24v control circuits? I tried to use the BP-200 but the original installer just put the entire 24v load through the BP-200. One second of hydraulic passerelle use and the BP-200 melted.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Scott SV Tengah
 

We left the boat for 4 months earlier this year and while I have a Victron based system, I think you can achieve the same on MV:

I left one fridge on (brushless pump, so pump life is less of a concern) to circulate freshwater in the tanks and had my battery monitor (BMV-712) open the bi-stable programmable relay when the battery went above 70% and close again when it went below 60%. This signal fed into the remote on/off input on my Quattro inverter and acted to turn on the inverter above 70% and turn off the inverter below 60%.

I had a 220v dehumidifier (around 200w) plugged in. 

Per my boat watcher, it worked perfectly. Our boat was drier than any other he had seen and the battery stayed in a range to maximize longevity.With my 960w solar, this keeps the battery cycling between roughly 55% and 100%. At that depth of discharge, the batteries would outlive me! Bonus is that the boat is completely dry inside, too. 

I am almost certain you can do something similar with MV. Sv Garulfo has a full MV lithium setup and borrowed my dehumidifier when they left for a brief period so they can probably explain how they did it.

Also, MV's solution doesn't seem terrible as long as the charger goes into float at a low enough SOC. If bulk/absorption ends at say 27.4v and that is the equivalent of around 65% SOC and then it holds at 27v float, then you aren't holding your battery at high SOC, so it should be ok. The flat voltage discharge curve that makes lithium so great also makes it hard to estimate SOC from voltage.  But I'm sure MV's battery monitor can talk to the chargers to tell them to shutoff charging at a user-specified SOC level?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Riggers for SM2K in the Antibes-Hyeres area

Paul Peschel
 

Hey Drew,

we spent the summer in Cogolin close to Hyers and had a really nice experience with Guillaume from APY yachting  ( guillaume@... ) and would highly recommend him. 

Best regards,
Paul


Re: Riggers for SM2K in the Antibes-Hyeres area

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Drew,

 

I also ordered directly from ACMO and asked Russo Yachting. They did a great job, very professional.

 

You can call the owner Mr Duthoit at 0685340549

 

They are based in La Seyne-sur-mer.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54 / 21 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Drew Gaffney via groups.io
Envoyé : mercredi 15 septembre 2021 06:37
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Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Riggers for SM2K in the Antibes-Hyeres area

 

Does anyone have any experience/recommendations with getting an Amel SM2K re-rigged in either Antibes or Hyeres?  I've ordered the rigging from ACMO but don't have a rigger.  We're hoping to get this done early in October, assuming the rigging arrives as scheduled.
Thank you.
Drew Gaffney
SV Revelation SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia, IT


Re: Riggers for SM2K in the Antibes-Hyeres area

Alain Blanchard <akdf85@...>
 

Hello Drew

I know Seanergie un Hyeres . I will have my forestay replaced soon. 
I have selected Seanergie to Di the job.
Regards 
Alain
SM 146/Koriolys 
Gruissan / France

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 15 sept. 2021 à 06:37, Drew Gaffney <drew.gaffney@...> a écrit :



Does anyone have any experience/recommendations with getting an Amel SM2K re-rigged in either Antibes or Hyeres?  I've ordered the rigging from ACMO but don't have a rigger.  We're hoping to get this done early in October, assuming the rigging arrives as scheduled.
Thank you.
Drew Gaffney
SV Revelation SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia, IT


Riggers for SM2K in the Antibes-Hyeres area

Drew Gaffney
 

Does anyone have any experience/recommendations with getting an Amel SM2K re-rigged in either Antibes or Hyeres?  I've ordered the rigging from ACMO but don't have a rigger.  We're hoping to get this done early in October, assuming the rigging arrives as scheduled.
Thank you.
Drew Gaffney
SV Revelation SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia, IT


Re: Watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I ordered a new 70" hose and SS. fittings from the link you sent me. Approx. $125 with shipping.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2021 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker


On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:56 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ron, Thank You, but I just ordered a new hose from the company that Bill sent me a link to. They are in Philadelphia , maybe 75 miles and they will ship it. The more local outfit wanted $80 per fitting ,plus hose and labor.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2021 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat, if I recall you’re on the East Coast of the US, correct? If so try a company by the strange name of Collilower. They have over 30 branches from New York down to Florida I believe. A few months ago I had to make up a new set of hydraulic lines for my steering, and they did a marvelous job with stainless steel fittings.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:58 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

 

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:56 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ron, Thank You, but I just ordered a new hose from the company that Bill sent me a link to. They are in Philadelphia , maybe 75 miles and they will ship it. The more local outfit wanted $80 per fitting ,plus hose and labor.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2021 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat, if I recall you’re on the East Coast of the US, correct? If so try a company by the strange name of Collilower. They have over 30 branches from New York down to Florida I believe. A few months ago I had to make up a new set of hydraulic lines for my steering, and they did a marvelous job with stainless steel fittings.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:58 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Ron, Thank You, but I just ordered a new hose from the company that Bill sent me a link to. They are in Philadelphia , maybe 75 miles and they will ship it. The more local outfit wanted $80 per fitting ,plus hose and labor.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2021 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat, if I recall you’re on the East Coast of the US, correct? If so try a company by the strange name of Collilower. They have over 30 branches from New York down to Florida I believe. A few months ago I had to make up a new set of hydraulic lines for my steering, and they did a marvelous job with stainless steel fittings.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:58 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

Ron Hynes
 

Pat, if I recall you’re on the East Coast of the US, correct? If so try a company by the strange name of Collilower. They have over 30 branches from New York down to Florida I believe. A few months ago I had to make up a new set of hydraulic lines for my steering, and they did a marvelous job with stainless steel fittings.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:58 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, The two I have dealt with ,did not carry them in stock and I don't think they wanted to bother ordering them in for one small job, I will see if I provide the part ,they will crimp it on.
Thanks for the link,
Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Sep 14, 2021 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

 

Any hydraulic hose fabricator (heavy equipment) may have them. My experience is at least half have the fittings in stainless steel.

Maybe you buy the fittings and have the shop do the crimp-on. https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SS-FJX-06-06.html


Bill



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On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill & Bill, Thanks for explaining the numbers and their meaning. I really could not understand how the prefilters could be "special" , according to the dealer,thus the reason I asked my team of experts.
Another question: I have had two hoses made up by two different  hydraulic companies (the hose that runs from the membranes to the control panel) and neither have been able to supply stainless fittings. They have made them with steel fittings and rust quickly do to the salt water. Does anyone know somewhere I could have the hose made up with S.S. fittings and shipped to me?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

Pat,

I can assure you that there is nothing at all "special" about the prefilters used for a watermater. A 5 micron rated filter will do fine. If you have dual filter housings in series, a 20 or 25 micron in the first chamber will catch the "big" stuff.  You'll generally do better with the pleated paper elements than the filament wound ones, but it's not critical.

I am betting that the guy who told you you needed "special" watermaker prefilters just happened to have some of these magic filters he was happy to sell you. I'd take all the advice you got from him with a very large dose of salt.

Although they are not expensive, in an emergency you can reuse them at least once or twice.  Put a line down the filter, tie a stopper knot , and tow them behind the boat.  The resulting "backwards" flow through the element does a good job at cleaning them if they are not too far gone.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

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