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Re: Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Ruedi;

 

We are currently in the Med and, in my opinion,  Lithium is not a huge advantage in our cruising style here. Also our AGMs that we installed in 2018, have been working better than expected and almost as good as when installed new.

 

I believe that Lithium technology for yachts is in its infancy and the improvement curve fairly steep. Our plan is to convert to Lithium in about 2-3 years, before leaving the Med, so we can benefit from all the advancement in technology and safety.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hi Mohammad and Aty

 

Thank you for the drawing which helped me a lot. Exactly this page was not in my documentation. Don’t know why?

I found in the 220V Panel drawing K1- and K2-source referenced, but without any detail about K1 and K2. Now everything is very clear and you are absolutely right with the priorities.

 

  • When there is Power from the Generator, K1 is interrupting the Shore supply and switching to Generator with the K1 Relay.
  • When there is any Power from any K1 source (GE or Shore), K2 is active and the Inverter is not switched because K2 is keeping the Inverter 220V output unswitched (offline).
    • Even if the inverter is ON, it can’t deliver 220V to the panel, because K2 is ON as long as K1 delivers power.

 

This sound a bit complicated but it’s finally the priority GEN, Sore, Inverter as you said.

 

BTW: What is your Lithium Project doing? You have changed KOKOMO to Lithium meanwhile?

 

Thanks and fair winds

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

Currently in Estepona heading to Gibraltar

 

 

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Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Donnerstag, 16.
September 2021 um 07:40
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hi Ruedi;

 

There are electrical schematics in the original AMEL operator’s manual in the Appendix section, that came with the yacht, that show how they are wired. Attached is the schematic for the K1-K2 switchover relays.

 

I believe K1 and K2 switch/relays make the selection of power source.  Power first  goes through K1 which selects the source between shore power and generator. I believe that generator has priority over shore power. Once this source is selected, it goes through K2, which selects between the output of K1 and the inverter, with the output of K1 having higher priority.

 

I am fairly certain that the priority is:

 

  1. Generator
  2. Shore power
  3. Inverter

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

E-MAIL: mail@...


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

Mark Erdos
 

For “proof of competency” you can take a free Florida boating test online. At the end it prints out a very nice official looking certificate and they mail you a license (with no expiration date) https://www.boatus.org/florida/

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Dan Carlson
 

Hello Bob, I'm not at the boat right now. We head back to re-launch in two weeks so it will be pretty hectic until the beginning of Oct. I'll try to dig some things up when things calm down.

Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, sm #387

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:17 PM rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Really liked your description of your lithium conversion.  I am beginning the process of conversion and my plan is to install the WakeSpeed 500 first.  I saw one photo you posted of your setup with the  LN 175 altenator, but do you have any closeups or walk-throughs on the wiring or wiring diagrams?  I am also curious about your wiring back to the batteries and to your on/off switch at the helm.  
Bob     KAIMI SM429


Re: Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Mohammad and Aty

 

Thank you for the drawing which helped me a lot. Exactly this page was not in my documentation. Don’t know why?

I found in the 220V Panel drawing K1- and K2-source referenced, but without any detail about K1 and K2. Now everything is very clear and you are absolutely right with the priorities.

 

  • When there is Power from the Generator, K1 is interrupting the Shore supply and switching to Generator with the K1 Relay.
  • When there is any Power from any K1 source (GE or Shore), K2 is active and the Inverter is not switched because K2 is keeping the Inverter 220V output unswitched (offline).
    • Even if the inverter is ON, it can’t deliver 220V to the panel, because K2 is ON as long as K1 delivers power.

 

This sound a bit complicated but it’s finally the priority GEN, Sore, Inverter as you said.

 

BTW: What is your Lithium Project doing? You have changed KOKOMO to Lithium meanwhile?

 

Thanks and fair winds

Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl

"SY WASABI"

Amel 54. #55

Currently in Estepona heading to Gibraltar

 

 

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> im Auftrag von Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Donnerstag, 16.
September 2021 um 07:40
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hi Ruedi;

 

There are electrical schematics in the original AMEL operator’s manual in the Appendix section, that came with the yacht, that show how they are wired. Attached is the schematic for the K1-K2 switchover relays.

 

I believe K1 and K2 switch/relays make the selection of power source.  Power first  goes through K1 which selects the source between shore power and generator. I believe that generator has priority over shore power. Once this source is selected, it goes through K2, which selects between the output of K1 and the inverter, with the output of K1 having higher priority.

 

I am fairly certain that the priority is:

 

  1. Generator
  2. Shore power
  3. Inverter

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

E-MAIL: mail@...


Re: Wakespeed vs Alpha Pro Alternator Regulator

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi Barry and Penny,
Thanks for that. We look forward to seeing you. Just booked tickets. 

All the best,
Chuck and Kim 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 9:58 AM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Chuck and Kim,
We are now using the WakeSpeed. Next to you on the dock. If you don’t have to make a decision before you get back you can actually look at the setup.
We are having our cockpit side windows and windscreens replaced after yours are finished.

Very Best 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Sep 15, 2021, at 11:22, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I am having some work done on the boat. A new victron charger put in and regulator in Le Marin by Caraibes Electric. I did a lot of reading on wakespeed (thanks Dan Carlson) but not much on Alpha Pro. Their preference for no other reason is Alpha Pro because they are a Mastervolt dealer. They will do either. Pro Cons? Either Or? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 
Joy 388
Le Marin Martinique 


Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Joerg Esdorn
 

Thanks so much!  There are some excellent ideas here.  My thinking now - based on everyone's thoughts - is to do the following:

1.  Before I leave, charge the batteries to 80% and plug into shore power.  I will leave the batteries on so the bilge pump can run.
2.  Set the MV charger on shore power to a low bulk and absorption voltage - like 27V.  I can do this easily using the Masteradjust software which controls all settings for the Masterbus. I will experiment first what state of charge this will result in.  Should be close to 80%?
3.  Get a mobile hotspot that runs of 230V in the boat.  
3.  Have my laptop running both Masteradjust and Teamviewer connected to the hotspot.  The laptop is running off a 230V outlet.

Viola, with this setup I should be able to monitor the batteries and control the charger from my home in SFO while the boat is in La Rochelle!  So I will be able to charge to 100% every three months by changing the setting for the 60A charger.  I will also run a dehumidifier over the 230V outlets in the boat - Scott, presumably you didn't have shore power which is why you ran the dehumidifier over the inverter?  I had a dehumidifier running during the entire 18 months of Covid layup and it made a huge difference.  If there's something wrong with the 230V, I will know because I can't connect to the laptop.  Lastly, I will have a Netatmo security camera and a WIFI enabled water alarm in the engine room connected to the hotspot.  That way I will get emails if something moves inside the boat (and will be able to see video of the event) or the water goes above the alarm level in the engine room.   My boat watcher will not have to deal with the batteries  at all if all goes accordance with the plan!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Currently in Ile d'Yeu, France


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM, Dominique Sery wrote:
Dominique
Thanks.
 
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Ruedi;

 

There are electrical schematics in the original AMEL operator’s manual in the Appendix section, that came with the yacht, that show how they are wired. Attached is the schematic for the K1-K2 switchover relays.

 

I believe K1 and K2 switch/relays make the selection of power source.  Power first  goes through K1 which selects the source between shore power and generator. I believe that generator has priority over shore power. Once this source is selected, it goes through K2, which selects between the output of K1 and the inverter, with the output of K1 having higher priority.

 

I am fairly certain that the priority is:

 

  1. Generator
  2. Shore power
  3. Inverter

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

E-MAIL: mail@...


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

rossirossix4
 

Hi Daniel,
Really liked your description of your lithium conversion.  I am beginning the process of conversion and my plan is to install the WakeSpeed 500 first.  I saw one photo you posted of your setup with the  LN 175 altenator, but do you have any closeups or walk-throughs on the wiring or wiring diagrams?  I am also curious about your wiring back to the batteries and to your on/off switch at the helm.  
Bob     KAIMI SM429


Re: tb/Starboard LEWMAR winch July 2009 AMEL 54 # 128/AYOF

 

Unless yours is different from others I have seen it is V5.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Good Morning,

 

Can another AMEL 54 owner in the same build number (# 128; launched July 2009) range tell me is your Starboard LEWMAR Anchor winch a LEWMAR V4 or LEWMAR V5. I do know that AMEL manual mentions it is the 2000 watts motor but I cannot determine what LEWMAR version.

 

I need to replace the motor & gearbox and want to make sure I am getting the correct one ordered & shipped.

 

Thank you.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

September 15, 2021 11:26:58

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 


tb/Starboard LEWMAR winch July 2009 AMEL 54 # 128/AYOF

Teun BAAS
 

Good Morning,

 

Can another AMEL 54 owner in the same build number (# 128; launched July 2009) range tell me is your Starboard LEWMAR Anchor winch a LEWMAR V4 or LEWMAR V5. I do know that AMEL manual mentions it is the 2000 watts motor but I cannot determine what LEWMAR version.

 

I need to replace the motor & gearbox and want to make sure I am getting the correct one ordered & shipped.

 

Thank you.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

September 15, 2021 11:26:58

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 


Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

E-MAIL: mail@...


Re: Mainsail furler top seal

 

It is my understanding that most Amel 54s like all SMs have a mainsail foil (profile) of 38mm. I am told that this is not true for some of the very last 54s which were equipped with a 40mm foil. If the foil size is increased so is the hub above the manual furler (and its seals) as well as the swivel.
Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 9:30 AM Gregory Dmitriev <41greg.marine@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
Interesting observation.
despite of one of the previous comments regarding refitting the main furling transmission box, the size of the top leap seal is different for A54 172.

I’ve ordered 45x60x7 seal for replacement, but It’s to big!
I had to find a smaller one, which fits and this is 45x58x7.

just FYI.


Re: Wakespeed vs Alpha Pro Alternator Regulator

Barry Connor
 

Hi Chuck and Kim,
We are now using the WakeSpeed. Next to you on the dock. If you don’t have to make a decision before you get back you can actually look at the setup.
We are having our cockpit side windows and windscreens replaced after yours are finished.

Very Best 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Sep 15, 2021, at 11:22, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I am having some work done on the boat. A new victron charger put in and regulator in Le Marin by Caraibes Electric. I did a lot of reading on wakespeed (thanks Dan Carlson) but not much on Alpha Pro. Their preference for no other reason is Alpha Pro because they are a Mastervolt dealer. They will do either. Pro Cons? Either Or? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 
Joy 388
Le Marin Martinique 


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Dominique Sery
 


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Dominique Sery
 

Mark,
the original pump of my 160 l Dessalator is a Calpeda
 BTM61E
Regards
Dominique
Irko A54#16


Wakespeed vs Alpha Pro Alternator Regulator

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
I am having some work done on the boat. A new victron charger put in and regulator in Le Marin by Caraibes Electric. I did a lot of reading on wakespeed (thanks Dan Carlson) but not much on Alpha Pro. Their preference for no other reason is Alpha Pro because they are a Mastervolt dealer. They will do either. Pro Cons? Either Or? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 
Joy 388
Le Marin Martinique 


Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I would like to consider replacing 220v lift pump for a Dessalator 160.  Has anyone found a good replacement for the Dessalator factory pump or know the specs for the pump – flow rate & pressure?  Preferably the performance curves for the pump.  Thanks.

--
Mark  Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Mainsail furler top seal

Gregory Dmitriev
 

Hi guys,
Interesting observation.
despite of one of the previous comments regarding refitting the main furling transmission box, the size of the top leap seal is different for A54 172.

I’ve ordered 45x60x7 seal for replacement, but It’s to big!
I had to find a smaller one, which fits and this is 45x58x7.

just FYI.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

John Clanton
 

Prior to accumulating enough sea time for my USCG license, I enrolled in an online RYA Day Skipper course which satisfied the UN Certificate of Competency requirements.  There was a one day practical test in order to complete the course, but it was basic sailing and boating skill demonstration.  I had quite a nice time doing the online and practical, and did pick up a nugget or two along the way.

 

I have read that the countries in the Adriatic are more stringent with the Certificate of Competency requirement, although I have not sailed there yet, so cannot provide any firsthand experience.  I did not want to risk it, so did the CoC through RYA.

 

 

John W. Clanton



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