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Re: What to do with LiFePO4 batteries when the boat is layed up?

Joerg Esdorn
 

Thanks so much!  There are some excellent ideas here.  My thinking now - based on everyone's thoughts - is to do the following:

1.  Before I leave, charge the batteries to 80% and plug into shore power.  I will leave the batteries on so the bilge pump can run.
2.  Set the MV charger on shore power to a low bulk and absorption voltage - like 27V.  I can do this easily using the Masteradjust software which controls all settings for the Masterbus. I will experiment first what state of charge this will result in.  Should be close to 80%?
3.  Get a mobile hotspot that runs of 230V in the boat.  
3.  Have my laptop running both Masteradjust and Teamviewer connected to the hotspot.  The laptop is running off a 230V outlet.

Viola, with this setup I should be able to monitor the batteries and control the charger from my home in SFO while the boat is in La Rochelle!  So I will be able to charge to 100% every three months by changing the setting for the 60A charger.  I will also run a dehumidifier over the 230V outlets in the boat - Scott, presumably you didn't have shore power which is why you ran the dehumidifier over the inverter?  I had a dehumidifier running during the entire 18 months of Covid layup and it made a huge difference.  If there's something wrong with the 230V, I will know because I can't connect to the laptop.  Lastly, I will have a Netatmo security camera and a WIFI enabled water alarm in the engine room connected to the hotspot.  That way I will get emails if something moves inside the boat (and will be able to see video of the event) or the water goes above the alarm level in the engine room.   My boat watcher will not have to deal with the batteries  at all if all goes accordance with the plan!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Currently in Ile d'Yeu, France


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM, Dominique Sery wrote:
Dominique
Thanks.
 
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Ruedi;

 

There are electrical schematics in the original AMEL operator’s manual in the Appendix section, that came with the yacht, that show how they are wired. Attached is the schematic for the K1-K2 switchover relays.

 

I believe K1 and K2 switch/relays make the selection of power source.  Power first  goes through K1 which selects the source between shore power and generator. I believe that generator has priority over shore power. Once this source is selected, it goes through K2, which selects between the output of K1 and the inverter, with the output of K1 having higher priority.

 

I am fairly certain that the priority is:

 

  1. Generator
  2. Shore power
  3. Inverter

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:31 PM
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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

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Re: Lithium Battery BMS

rossirossix4
 

Hi Daniel,
Really liked your description of your lithium conversion.  I am beginning the process of conversion and my plan is to install the WakeSpeed 500 first.  I saw one photo you posted of your setup with the  LN 175 altenator, but do you have any closeups or walk-throughs on the wiring or wiring diagrams?  I am also curious about your wiring back to the batteries and to your on/off switch at the helm.  
Bob     KAIMI SM429


Re: tb/Starboard LEWMAR winch July 2009 AMEL 54 # 128/AYOF

 

Unless yours is different from others I have seen it is V5.
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Good Morning,

 

Can another AMEL 54 owner in the same build number (# 128; launched July 2009) range tell me is your Starboard LEWMAR Anchor winch a LEWMAR V4 or LEWMAR V5. I do know that AMEL manual mentions it is the 2000 watts motor but I cannot determine what LEWMAR version.

 

I need to replace the motor & gearbox and want to make sure I am getting the correct one ordered & shipped.

 

Thank you.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

September 15, 2021 11:26:58

 

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tb/Starboard LEWMAR winch July 2009 AMEL 54 # 128/AYOF

Teun BAAS
 

Good Morning,

 

Can another AMEL 54 owner in the same build number (# 128; launched July 2009) range tell me is your Starboard LEWMAR Anchor winch a LEWMAR V4 or LEWMAR V5. I do know that AMEL manual mentions it is the 2000 watts motor but I cannot determine what LEWMAR version.

 

I need to replace the motor & gearbox and want to make sure I am getting the correct one ordered & shipped.

 

Thank you.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

September 15, 2021 11:26:58

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 


Shore - Generator Switch-over box on A54 #solution

WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Amelian's

 

I tried to find out how the Shore/Generator Switchover Box in the Engine room of my Amel-54 is exactly working. I do have in addition a 2500W MV inverter installed originally from AMEL. Last few weeks the Switch-over is doing strange things and fuses are blowing. 

 

I have not found any accurate information (drawings) electric scheme of that AMEL specific switch-over mechanism. I don’t know how it detects either one or all 3 of the 240V sources, and which is the master over-ruling the Generator or Shore and/or Inverter. How it protects the Inverter when Shore or Generator is running, etc… 
Does anyone out there have any detailed information how these system works and may have an Electric scheme with in dept knowledge how it works?

 

Thanks a lot for investigation and best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI 

WASABI A54. #55

E-MAIL: mail@...


Re: Mainsail furler top seal

 

It is my understanding that most Amel 54s like all SMs have a mainsail foil (profile) of 38mm. I am told that this is not true for some of the very last 54s which were equipped with a 40mm foil. If the foil size is increased so is the hub above the manual furler (and its seals) as well as the swivel.
Bill



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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 9:30 AM Gregory Dmitriev <41greg.marine@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
Interesting observation.
despite of one of the previous comments regarding refitting the main furling transmission box, the size of the top leap seal is different for A54 172.

I’ve ordered 45x60x7 seal for replacement, but It’s to big!
I had to find a smaller one, which fits and this is 45x58x7.

just FYI.


Re: Wakespeed vs Alpha Pro Alternator Regulator

Barry Connor
 

Hi Chuck and Kim,
We are now using the WakeSpeed. Next to you on the dock. If you don’t have to make a decision before you get back you can actually look at the setup.
We are having our cockpit side windows and windscreens replaced after yours are finished.

Very Best 

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Sep 15, 2021, at 11:22, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I am having some work done on the boat. A new victron charger put in and regulator in Le Marin by Caraibes Electric. I did a lot of reading on wakespeed (thanks Dan Carlson) but not much on Alpha Pro. Their preference for no other reason is Alpha Pro because they are a Mastervolt dealer. They will do either. Pro Cons? Either Or? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 
Joy 388
Le Marin Martinique 


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Dominique Sery
 


Re: Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Dominique Sery
 

Mark,
the original pump of my 160 l Dessalator is a Calpeda
 BTM61E
Regards
Dominique
Irko A54#16


Wakespeed vs Alpha Pro Alternator Regulator

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
I am having some work done on the boat. A new victron charger put in and regulator in Le Marin by Caraibes Electric. I did a lot of reading on wakespeed (thanks Dan Carlson) but not much on Alpha Pro. Their preference for no other reason is Alpha Pro because they are a Mastervolt dealer. They will do either. Pro Cons? Either Or? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. 

Chuck and Kim 
Joy 388
Le Marin Martinique 


Dessalator 160 Lift Pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I would like to consider replacing 220v lift pump for a Dessalator 160.  Has anyone found a good replacement for the Dessalator factory pump or know the specs for the pump – flow rate & pressure?  Preferably the performance curves for the pump.  Thanks.

--
Mark  Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Mainsail furler top seal

Gregory Dmitriev
 

Hi guys,
Interesting observation.
despite of one of the previous comments regarding refitting the main furling transmission box, the size of the top leap seal is different for A54 172.

I’ve ordered 45x60x7 seal for replacement, but It’s to big!
I had to find a smaller one, which fits and this is 45x58x7.

just FYI.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

John Clanton
 

Prior to accumulating enough sea time for my USCG license, I enrolled in an online RYA Day Skipper course which satisfied the UN Certificate of Competency requirements.  There was a one day practical test in order to complete the course, but it was basic sailing and boating skill demonstration.  I had quite a nice time doing the online and practical, and did pick up a nugget or two along the way.

 

I have read that the countries in the Adriatic are more stringent with the Certificate of Competency requirement, although I have not sailed there yet, so cannot provide any firsthand experience.  I did not want to risk it, so did the CoC through RYA.

 

 

John W. Clanton



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Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

John Clanton
 

For what it’s worth, I considered corporate ownership when I purchased my boat in 2018, but after weighing the pros and cons, I kept the individual ownership because of the potential issues in non-US waters. 

 

If I had gone the LLC route, I would have created multiple originals of very official looking documents (stamps, notarizations, wax seals, and any other conceivable bling) clearly stating that I was the designated master of the vessel and that I had all authority to act on behalf of the LLC.

 

If I was only operating in US waters, I wouldn’t think twice about it and would own the vessel in an LLC.

 

John W. Clanton



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Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

John,

This term "proof of competency" is used often and is intended to mean that you have "something" from a government or accredited sailing school certifying your training on a vessel. But what it technically means is what the government using the term intends it to mean. Each country can have different standards. Scott mentioned Montenegro. We have friends who sailed around the world and were refused entry into Montenegro because they did not have "Proof of Competency" paperwork. To your question about the card a charter company gives you, I assume this might work with an official, but also assume that the person who wrote this rule did not intend the charter company card.

Judy and I had USCG Captains licenses which were accepted with no questions asked in 58 countries, around the world.
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Bill




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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 8:48 AM John Babot via groups.io <jbabot=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,  What does/did your "proof of competency" look like?  I thought that was for those chartering boats.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

John Babot
 

Bill,  What does/did your "proof of competency" look like?  I thought that was for those chartering boats.


Re: LLC or Corporate ownership of vessel

 

I found the Montenegro official to be the "strictest and by-the-book" official out of 53 countries. He insisted on proof of competency, insurance, passports, crew list, registration, and yes, a corporate resolution to operate the vessel. I am surprised that he didn't require the corporate seal on the resolution. That said, I saw an American give him a NJ driver's license, insisting that in NJ the drivers license covers boats. BTW, Montenegro is not the only place that will require a corporate resolution and most will require the corporate seal, and possible notarization. And that official had a 30-day insurance policy to sell you if you arrived without a current insurance policy (helpful or conflicted).

Sometimes how an official acts has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the person he saw before you that decides to tell the official how his country and he should operate. This is compounded when the official associates you with the previous person because you both spoke the same language.

Bill


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On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 6:39 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
I have Tengah in a LLC.

Only issue in the last 30+ countries was in Montenegro. They refused entry unless we had a letter from the LLC giving me permission to operate the vessel.

We wrote one and they didn't get their bribe.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Lithium Battery BMS

Dan Carlson
 

It's been a while since I gave a shout out for the WakeSpeed Ws500 alternator controller. I am very pleased with it. 

On of my favorite features with the standard LiFePO charge setting it a simple on/off switch at the helm. ON - enables the standard LiFePO charge setting of 27.5bulk, 26.72 float. OFF - just regulates the alternator to maintain the 26.72v float. I leave it off as a default as I like to be paying attention when I am fully charging my batteries, as well as moderating my alternator load on the engine when maneuvering around a marina, etc

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 1:50 AM Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bonjour Juan,
it’s easy to control the Mastervolt alternator with external Alpha pro regulator using a Victron Battery-protect (the smallest), in position 7 it is used as a control relay by the Victron Ve-bms.  The consumption is 1.5 mA completely compatible with the maximum authorized current of 10 mA of the Ve-bms.  A second, ordinary relay, powered by the ignition key, will only activate it when the engine is running (+ a manual switch for security).  The bluetooth version of this Battery Protect allows you to control the charge with a smartphone (stop and start).  When I sail with the engine, as soon as the voltage of the batteries reaches 27.6 v (95-98% of charge) I stop the alternator with the smartphone so as not to keep the batteries at a high voltage for too long (the duration of  absorption of 28.5 v is 4 h with the Alpha pro).  For the other loads, if they are Victrons they can be managed by the Ve-bms otherwise either they have a remote control and another small BP will be used or there is none and a Battery protect of suitable power can be put  on the charging cables.  Note that the Ve-bms has a maximum control of 10 mA for the charge and 2 amps for the load (+ 50 mA for the pre-discharge alarm).  A bluetooth BMV with audible alarm informs as soon as the voltage is high or low (adjustable). The smartphone will check each battery cell and you can stop the charge or the load if necessary.
For the battery charger, if you are in the boat, you can drive it yourself with the  bmv and stop it as soon as the charge is finished.
Cordialement
Dominique
Irko A54#16

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