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Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

 

Mark,

In that case, the cooler themselves take the same plumbing because they both have two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Not to add more confusion to what is already a confusing topic, but here is what I found on my SM #440:

The DC60-XCC oil cooler has two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes in it for the oil lines.  As sold by Bowman, there are no included fittings, just the the 3/8" BSP threaded holes. 

My original DC60-XCC oil cooler that failed had two (2) 90 degree fittings that were Male 3/8" BSP on one leg and Male 3/8" JIC 37° on the other leg.  These were installed in the threaded holes of the oil cooler using some kind of thread sealant.  The hydraulic hoses had one (1) Straight Female JIC 37° swivel fitting on the oil cooler end.  The transmission end of the hoses were what Parker calls a "Female Metric L - Swivel - (24° Cone with O-Ring)".  I believe that the 24° Cone makes it either an SAE or DIN standard fitting but I honestly don't know.  That end of the hose actually threads into some kind of straight fitting that comes out of the transmission.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

Not to add more confusion to what is already a confusing topic, but here is what I found on my SM #440:

The DC60-XCC oil cooler has two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes in it for the oil lines.  As sold by Bowman, there are no included fittings, just the the 3/8" BSP threaded holes. 

My original DC60-XCC oil cooler that failed had two (2) 90 degree fittings that were Male 3/8" BSP on one leg and Male 3/8" JIC 37° on the other leg.  These were installed in the threaded holes of the oil cooler using some kind of thread sealant.  The hydraulic hoses had one (1) Straight Female JIC 37° swivel fitting on the oil cooler end.  The transmission end of the hoses were what Parker calls a "Female Metric L - Swivel - (24° Cone with O-Ring)".  I believe that the 24° Cone makes it either an SAE or DIN standard fitting but I honestly don't know.  That end of the hose actually threads into some kind of straight fitting that comes out of the transmission.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

 

Herbert, Sabine is not a member of this group. I sent her your message.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:15 PM Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:
Sabine,  you can send me a message at Herbert-at-lackner.at,  can give you a call to share my experience with Santorin engine  alignment

SN120 KALI MERA, still mazatlan, heading for sea of cortez next week


Re: Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

Herbert Lackner
 

Sabine,  you can send me a message at Herbert-at-lackner.at,  can give you a call to share my experience with Santorin engine  alignment

SN120 KALI MERA, still mazatlan, heading for sea of cortez next week


Re: SM & A54 Main + Mizzen manual furling gear boxes - seals, o-rings, dust cover … + source(s) ???

 

I got these from Pat & Diane Shenanagins

This is what I have for the Mizzen
Parts Required/Sources (USA) Bearings:
Source, Motion Industries -
1 each Tapered bearing item#32009xm-90kmi,
bore 45mm OD 75mm Width 20mm Mfg: Timken
1 each: item# 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm,
Width 12mm Mfg: Fafnir
Seals:
1 each VA-45 (or VA-045) V-ring Seal: 40mm
ID x 50mm OD x 9mm SKF Part # 400450
1 each following: Source, Metric Seals
45mmX60mmX7mm Seal <Or, Possibly next>
45mmX58mmX7mm Seal
25mmX33mm X6mm Seal
30mmx40mmx7mm Outer Hub Seal
VA-45 V-ring Seal
Manual Furling Gearbox, Mizzen (Main Similiar) Credit: Pat SM 123 Shenanigans
Last modified 2021-08-22 Copyright Amel Owners Yacht School 2021 Page

This is what I have for the Main 
Bearings: Source , Motion Industries - Tapered bearing item# 32009xm-90kmi , Bore 45mm, OD. 75mm, Width 20mm , Manufacturer Timken
Ball Bearing, item# 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm, Width 12mm Manufacturer Fafnir
Oil Seals : Source , Metric Seals Inc. 45mmX60mmX7mm 25mmX33mm X6mm
You will need one each of bearings and seals

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 1:54 PM Stefan Schaufert <mail@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians,

I want to change all seals etc. for the main and mizzen manual rolling gear.
I was in contact with Maud.  She sends me a good picture, but cannot send me a list of measurements etc. and a set of seals etc. (at least not at the moment).
The forum helped me more (posts and references from Pat SM 123, Scott, Ken ...) but I'm completely stuck now.
Not sure about the dimensions or type of the seals, I haven't found a good source.
 
So I hope that someone has a list with the proven number, dimension, etc. of all the seals required, etc.,
as well as a good source in Europe, ideally in Germany (preferably all parts together).
 
Thanks a lot you for your help.
 
 Best regards
 Stefan
 A54 # 119 Lady Charlyette, currently La Palma - Canary Islands


SM & A54 Main + Mizzen manual furling gear boxes - seals, o-rings, dust cover … + source(s) ???

Stefan Schaufert
 

Dear Amelians,

I want to change all seals etc. for the main and mizzen manual rolling gear.
I was in contact with Maud.  She sends me a good picture, but cannot send me a list of measurements etc. and a set of seals etc. (at least not at the moment).
The forum helped me more (posts and references from Pat SM 123, Scott, Ken ...) but I'm completely stuck now.
Not sure about the dimensions or type of the seals, I haven't found a good source.
 
So I hope that someone has a list with the proven number, dimension, etc. of all the seals required, etc.,
as well as a good source in Europe, ideally in Germany (preferably all parts together).
 
Thanks a lot you for your help.
 
 Best regards
 Stefan
 A54 # 119 Lady Charlyette, currently La Palma - Canary Islands


Re: Silicone Bow Thruster Tube Seal - Video by Ken Powers - Installation of the aftermarket blue seal

Jose Venegas
 

This was a nice improvement of the seals installation adding the supporting disk. I had that in my list of projects when I first installed them but after 4 years of using them I realized that it was holding well. When and if I replace them, I will certainly add the supporting disk.

The only thing he was wrong in the video was the statement that the alternative method of installation inverting the order of the seals resulted in the seals facing in the wrong direction. In fact you can invert the order of the seal installation but leave the seals facing the correct way.

I would also emphasize that the wood device provided by Amel to service the bow thruster in the water MUST always be used (in the water or on the ground) to avoid damaging the seals. This is because I designed their internal diameter a little smaller than the trunk diameter to ensure good seal. The material I used was silicone because it is more compliant and allowed a small lack of alignment between the trunk and the seals without causing a leak.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM278
Currently in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

 

I am fairly sure the Bowman uses the 3/8" JIC 37° Flare hydraulic connections. These 3/8" JIC connections are, in fact, internationally common. The Mota does not come with JIC connectors, you would have to add them, but the Mota specifications state, "G3/8" (BSP) thread"

This would be a good reason to not switch to the Mota. 

I am very interested in what you find.
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I believe that you need these fittings to add to the Mota, but Stainless Steel and Aluminum will not play well together. Brass would probably be better.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 9:52 AM Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:

Dear Lior,

 

I received the Mota and I will go to the boat this week-end.

 

I will let you know for the oil pipe connection, if can use the same.

 

I just check on the Mota and it is 16 mm.

 

I will also take some photos and send to you.

 

As far I can tell, the Mota is longueur than the Bowman but wait for photos.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54/ 21 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Lior Keydar via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 24 septembre 2021 16:14
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Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons #lessons

 

Hi everybody, dear Alain

I would like to order the Bowman DC60-XCC or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32.

The CC is 32 (on both products) but the oil ports on my boat are about 16 mm or 5/8 inches. Should I replace the oil ports to 3/8 or 1/2 inches (DC60-X or Y)?


Thank you for your help.

Lior, A54 #18


Re: After market engine mounts ? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

Folks,

It’s my understanding that the four (4) Yanmar mounts should ordered direct from Yanmar.  Where did you get the Two (2) C drive mounts from-Amel?

Thanks,
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you bill
I have already send an email to Sofomarin expressing my interest in a new part !
Let’s be in favour of pro active maintenance , again , your help is invaluable Bill ,
Merci beaucoup !!!
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the help. Obviously, I’m a bit out of my element if I thought the failed component was a resistor when it is actually a diode. I just emailed the pictures of the board to a company that repairs them, and they said the trace was too damaged to repair the board. The only labeling on the diode I can make out are T47-87, and I did not get any hits on that. Whether or not I have an underlying problem is an excellent question. I had the thruster up and down twice in the hour before it failed, and it was working fine. Considering the boat is 29 years old, I guess it is jus possible it was time to go. 


steve
Aloha SM #72


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

 

Nick,

Over time corrosion will have enough effect that you will want to replace the copper. You have about 8 more years before you need to worry about it.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Bill

What is the main interest of changing our manifold for a plug & play one in a different  material than cooper?
Rust prevention only ? It is in an awkward place and permanently fixed to the raw water strainer !
Kind regards 

Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Bill

What is the main interest of changing our manifold for a plug & play one in a different  material than cooper?
Rust prevention only ? It is in an awkward place and permanently fixed to the raw water strainer !
Kind regards 

Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Mark McGovern
 

Steve,

That looks like a diode that failed, not a resistor.  If the tracks on the PCB are intact, you should be able to replace the diode.  If the PCB track has also failed you can use a short piece of wire to bypass the track.  As Stefan noted, if there is some underlying problem, it might fail again.  The diode should have a part number printed on it.  Google the part number and you will likely be able to find a replacement at a place like Mouser or Digikey.  Note that diodes are like electronic check valves that allow current to flow one way but not the other.  Therefore, they are "directional" in their installation.  Take lots of pics and note how the failed diode was installed so that you install the replacement diode in the same orientation.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Steve,

Well done.

Does not look like a plain resistor to me, could be a varistor, NTC or PTC. But also could be a diode, is there a stripe on one side?

Its clearly a pair and only one of them got hot. You can replace it but you must also find the reason why this component failed.

Send me a private message on eeg@... and I will try to help you.


Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348 @ Northern Ireland



Op 24-09-2021 om 17:24 schreef Stephen Davis:

I’ve managed to remove the defective circuit board from the bow thruster control box, and am attaching a couple more picture which will allow you to see the damaged resistor. 


Steve
Aloha SM #72


Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

 

Is there any suggestion for an alignment for a Santorin on the Northern side of Sicily? Too much vibration to motor very far. Sabine Stein <s.stein64@...> is asking for help.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Stephen Davis
 

I’ve managed to remove the defective circuit board from the bow thruster control box, and am attaching a couple more picture which will allow you to see the damaged resistor. 


Steve
Aloha SM #72


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Alain Durante <info@...>
 

Dear Lior,

 

I received the Mota and I will go to the boat this week-end.

 

I will let you know for the oil pipe connection, if can use the same.

 

I just check on the Mota and it is 16 mm.

 

I will also take some photos and send to you.

 

As far I can tell, the Mota is longueur than the Bowman but wait for photos.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54/ 21 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Lior Keydar via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 24 septembre 2021 16:14
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons #lessons

 

Hi everybody, dear Alain

I would like to order the Bowman DC60-XCC or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32.

The CC is 32 (on both products) but the oil ports on my boat are about 16 mm or 5/8 inches. Should I replace the oil ports to 3/8 or 1/2 inches (DC60-X or Y)?


Thank you for your help.

Lior, A54 #18


Silicone Bow Thruster Tube Seal - Video by Ken Powers - Installation of the aftermarket blue seal

 

All interested,

Ken Powers produced a video that documents what I believe is the best method of installation of the blue silicone seal that some have purchased. It is here: 
https://youtu.be/SxpQ3BODME0
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Lior Keydar
 

Hi everybody, dear Alain

I would like to order the Bowman DC60-XCC or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32.

The CC is 32 (on both products) but the oil ports on my boat are about 16 mm or 5/8 inches. Should I replace the oil ports to 3/8 or 1/2 inches (DC60-X or Y)?


Thank you for your help.

Lior, A54 #18


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