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Water maker - mental moment

David Crisp
 

I'm having a mental moment/doubts concerning the correct positions for the three-way valve on the watermaker (Duo 100 on an A54)

Restarted the watermaker yesterday (after it had been pickled for a couple of months) turned the valve upwards to flush with fresh water.  Then the turned the valve handle downwards to allow sea water to be taken in from the manifold to the HP pump.  All seemed okay.  I've left the handle turned downwards as normal for day to day operation but I find the fresh water pump keeps kicking in every few minutes, I can only stop this by having the valve handle horizontal.

As I recall/understood: 
- handle vertical upwards - fresh water flush
- handle horizontal everything shut off
- handle vertically down sea water allowed to flow.

Am I having a mental moment or is there a problem somewhere please?

--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Solar/MPPT or Multiplus during winter lay up?

David Crisp
 

Wilna Grace has twelve new 110AH Victron Gel batteries and I'm keen to look after them carefully! The bank is charged either by solar and a Victron MPPT 100/50 or a Victron Multiplus 24V 3000W 70A.

I am about to store my boat onshore in Greece for the winter (6 months) and I am wondering what the best way is to leave my Gel batteries powered with the solar/MPPT or Multiplus? I ask because I note the Multiplus has a storage mode whereas the MPPT does not.

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David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Mark McGovern
 

Steve,

No problem.  I am by no means an expert but it sounds like Stefan might be able to assist you in identifying the component and possibly sourcing a similar one to replace it.  Here is a link to a diode that is similar to the one that was used in the Bowthruster PCBs found in later model SMs like mine:  https://www.newark.com/vishay/gi754-e3-73/rectifier-diode-single-400-v-6/dp/97K0535?CMP=AFC-SF-T11-US

And if the trace is indeed damaged beyond repair, you can solder a small piece of wire in it's place to complete the circuit between the two through-holes that the trace previously connected.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Block Island, RI USA


Re: SM & A54 Main + Mizzen manual furling gear boxes - seals, o-rings, dust cover … + source(s) ???

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Stefan. I have just completed a service of the main furler gearbox. Seals are available from SKF. As you would expect the list Maud has sent you shows the correct dimensions.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 25 September 2021 at 06:54 Stefan Schaufert <mail@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians,

I want to change all seals etc. for the main and mizzen manual rolling gear.
I was in contact with Maud.  She sends me a good picture, but cannot send me a list of measurements etc. and a set of seals etc. (at least not at the moment).
The forum helped me more (posts and references from Pat SM 123, Scott, Ken ...) but I'm completely stuck now.
Not sure about the dimensions or type of the seals, I haven't found a good source.
 
So I hope that someone has a list with the proven number, dimension, etc. of all the seals required, etc.,
as well as a good source in Europe, ideally in Germany (preferably all parts together).
 
Thanks a lot you for your help.
 
 Best regards
 Stefan
 A54 # 119 Lady Charlyette, currently La Palma - Canary Islands


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

 

Mark,

In that case, the cooler themselves take the same plumbing because they both have two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:48 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Not to add more confusion to what is already a confusing topic, but here is what I found on my SM #440:

The DC60-XCC oil cooler has two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes in it for the oil lines.  As sold by Bowman, there are no included fittings, just the the 3/8" BSP threaded holes. 

My original DC60-XCC oil cooler that failed had two (2) 90 degree fittings that were Male 3/8" BSP on one leg and Male 3/8" JIC 37° on the other leg.  These were installed in the threaded holes of the oil cooler using some kind of thread sealant.  The hydraulic hoses had one (1) Straight Female JIC 37° swivel fitting on the oil cooler end.  The transmission end of the hoses were what Parker calls a "Female Metric L - Swivel - (24° Cone with O-Ring)".  I believe that the 24° Cone makes it either an SAE or DIN standard fitting but I honestly don't know.  That end of the hose actually threads into some kind of straight fitting that comes out of the transmission.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

Not to add more confusion to what is already a confusing topic, but here is what I found on my SM #440:

The DC60-XCC oil cooler has two (2) x Female 3/8" BSP threaded holes in it for the oil lines.  As sold by Bowman, there are no included fittings, just the the 3/8" BSP threaded holes. 

My original DC60-XCC oil cooler that failed had two (2) 90 degree fittings that were Male 3/8" BSP on one leg and Male 3/8" JIC 37° on the other leg.  These were installed in the threaded holes of the oil cooler using some kind of thread sealant.  The hydraulic hoses had one (1) Straight Female JIC 37° swivel fitting on the oil cooler end.  The transmission end of the hoses were what Parker calls a "Female Metric L - Swivel - (24° Cone with O-Ring)".  I believe that the 24° Cone makes it either an SAE or DIN standard fitting but I honestly don't know.  That end of the hose actually threads into some kind of straight fitting that comes out of the transmission.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

 

Herbert, Sabine is not a member of this group. I sent her your message.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 3:15 PM Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:
Sabine,  you can send me a message at Herbert-at-lackner.at,  can give you a call to share my experience with Santorin engine  alignment

SN120 KALI MERA, still mazatlan, heading for sea of cortez next week


Re: Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

Herbert Lackner
 

Sabine,  you can send me a message at Herbert-at-lackner.at,  can give you a call to share my experience with Santorin engine  alignment

SN120 KALI MERA, still mazatlan, heading for sea of cortez next week


Re: SM & A54 Main + Mizzen manual furling gear boxes - seals, o-rings, dust cover … + source(s) ???

 

I got these from Pat & Diane Shenanagins

This is what I have for the Mizzen
Parts Required/Sources (USA) Bearings:
Source, Motion Industries -
1 each Tapered bearing item#32009xm-90kmi,
bore 45mm OD 75mm Width 20mm Mfg: Timken
1 each: item# 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm,
Width 12mm Mfg: Fafnir
Seals:
1 each VA-45 (or VA-045) V-ring Seal: 40mm
ID x 50mm OD x 9mm SKF Part # 400450
1 each following: Source, Metric Seals
45mmX60mmX7mm Seal <Or, Possibly next>
45mmX58mmX7mm Seal
25mmX33mm X6mm Seal
30mmx40mmx7mm Outer Hub Seal
VA-45 V-ring Seal
Manual Furling Gearbox, Mizzen (Main Similiar) Credit: Pat SM 123 Shenanigans
Last modified 2021-08-22 Copyright Amel Owners Yacht School 2021 Page

This is what I have for the Main 
Bearings: Source , Motion Industries - Tapered bearing item# 32009xm-90kmi , Bore 45mm, OD. 75mm, Width 20mm , Manufacturer Timken
Ball Bearing, item# 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm, Width 12mm Manufacturer Fafnir
Oil Seals : Source , Metric Seals Inc. 45mmX60mmX7mm 25mmX33mm X6mm
You will need one each of bearings and seals

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 1:54 PM Stefan Schaufert <mail@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians,

I want to change all seals etc. for the main and mizzen manual rolling gear.
I was in contact with Maud.  She sends me a good picture, but cannot send me a list of measurements etc. and a set of seals etc. (at least not at the moment).
The forum helped me more (posts and references from Pat SM 123, Scott, Ken ...) but I'm completely stuck now.
Not sure about the dimensions or type of the seals, I haven't found a good source.
 
So I hope that someone has a list with the proven number, dimension, etc. of all the seals required, etc.,
as well as a good source in Europe, ideally in Germany (preferably all parts together).
 
Thanks a lot you for your help.
 
 Best regards
 Stefan
 A54 # 119 Lady Charlyette, currently La Palma - Canary Islands


SM & A54 Main + Mizzen manual furling gear boxes - seals, o-rings, dust cover … + source(s) ???

Stefan Schaufert
 

Dear Amelians,

I want to change all seals etc. for the main and mizzen manual rolling gear.
I was in contact with Maud.  She sends me a good picture, but cannot send me a list of measurements etc. and a set of seals etc. (at least not at the moment).
The forum helped me more (posts and references from Pat SM 123, Scott, Ken ...) but I'm completely stuck now.
Not sure about the dimensions or type of the seals, I haven't found a good source.
 
So I hope that someone has a list with the proven number, dimension, etc. of all the seals required, etc.,
as well as a good source in Europe, ideally in Germany (preferably all parts together).
 
Thanks a lot you for your help.
 
 Best regards
 Stefan
 A54 # 119 Lady Charlyette, currently La Palma - Canary Islands


Re: Silicone Bow Thruster Tube Seal - Video by Ken Powers - Installation of the aftermarket blue seal

Jose Venegas
 

This was a nice improvement of the seals installation adding the supporting disk. I had that in my list of projects when I first installed them but after 4 years of using them I realized that it was holding well. When and if I replace them, I will certainly add the supporting disk.

The only thing he was wrong in the video was the statement that the alternative method of installation inverting the order of the seals resulted in the seals facing in the wrong direction. In fact you can invert the order of the seal installation but leave the seals facing the correct way.

I would also emphasize that the wood device provided by Amel to service the bow thruster in the water MUST always be used (in the water or on the ground) to avoid damaging the seals. This is because I designed their internal diameter a little smaller than the trunk diameter to ensure good seal. The material I used was silicone because it is more compliant and allowed a small lack of alignment between the trunk and the seals without causing a leak.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM278
Currently in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

 

I am fairly sure the Bowman uses the 3/8" JIC 37° Flare hydraulic connections. These 3/8" JIC connections are, in fact, internationally common. The Mota does not come with JIC connectors, you would have to add them, but the Mota specifications state, "G3/8" (BSP) thread"

This would be a good reason to not switch to the Mota. 

I am very interested in what you find.
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I believe that you need these fittings to add to the Mota, but Stainless Steel and Aluminum will not play well together. Brass would probably be better.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 9:52 AM Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:

Dear Lior,

 

I received the Mota and I will go to the boat this week-end.

 

I will let you know for the oil pipe connection, if can use the same.

 

I just check on the Mota and it is 16 mm.

 

I will also take some photos and send to you.

 

As far I can tell, the Mota is longueur than the Bowman but wait for photos.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54/ 21 / Meige

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Lior Keydar via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 24 septembre 2021 16:14
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons #lessons

 

Hi everybody, dear Alain

I would like to order the Bowman DC60-XCC or the MOTA G058-235-1 / CC32.

The CC is 32 (on both products) but the oil ports on my boat are about 16 mm or 5/8 inches. Should I replace the oil ports to 3/8 or 1/2 inches (DC60-X or Y)?


Thank you for your help.

Lior, A54 #18


Re: After market engine mounts ? #replacement

Kevin Schmit
 

Folks,

It’s my understanding that the four (4) Yanmar mounts should ordered direct from Yanmar.  Where did you get the Two (2) C drive mounts from-Amel?

Thanks,
--
Kevin & Kristen Schmit
KIANA
SM #362


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you bill
I have already send an email to Sofomarin expressing my interest in a new part !
Let’s be in favour of pro active maintenance , again , your help is invaluable Bill ,
Merci beaucoup !!!
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the help. Obviously, I’m a bit out of my element if I thought the failed component was a resistor when it is actually a diode. I just emailed the pictures of the board to a company that repairs them, and they said the trace was too damaged to repair the board. The only labeling on the diode I can make out are T47-87, and I did not get any hits on that. Whether or not I have an underlying problem is an excellent question. I had the thruster up and down twice in the hour before it failed, and it was working fine. Considering the boat is 29 years old, I guess it is jus possible it was time to go. 


steve
Aloha SM #72


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

 

Nick,

Over time corrosion will have enough effect that you will want to replace the copper. You have about 8 more years before you need to worry about it.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:31 PM Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Bill

What is the main interest of changing our manifold for a plug & play one in a different  material than cooper?
Rust prevention only ? It is in an awkward place and permanently fixed to the raw water strainer !
Kind regards 

Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Saltwater Manifolds, Primary and Secondary Late Model SMs & All 54s

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Bill

What is the main interest of changing our manifold for a plug & play one in a different  material than cooper?
Rust prevention only ? It is in an awkward place and permanently fixed to the raw water strainer !
Kind regards 

Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Mark McGovern
 

Steve,

That looks like a diode that failed, not a resistor.  If the tracks on the PCB are intact, you should be able to replace the diode.  If the PCB track has also failed you can use a short piece of wire to bypass the track.  As Stefan noted, if there is some underlying problem, it might fail again.  The diode should have a part number printed on it.  Google the part number and you will likely be able to find a replacement at a place like Mouser or Digikey.  Note that diodes are like electronic check valves that allow current to flow one way but not the other.  Therefore, they are "directional" in their installation.  Take lots of pics and note how the failed diode was installed so that you install the replacement diode in the same orientation.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA


Re: Update to Bow Thruster will not go down

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Steve,

Well done.

Does not look like a plain resistor to me, could be a varistor, NTC or PTC. But also could be a diode, is there a stripe on one side?

Its clearly a pair and only one of them got hot. You can replace it but you must also find the reason why this component failed.

Send me a private message on eeg@... and I will try to help you.


Stefan Jeukendrup

sv Malaka Queen

SM2k #348 @ Northern Ireland



Op 24-09-2021 om 17:24 schreef Stephen Davis:

I’ve managed to remove the defective circuit board from the bow thruster control box, and am attaching a couple more picture which will allow you to see the damaged resistor. 


Steve
Aloha SM #72


Need to align C-Drive to Engine - Santorin currently North side of Sicily

 

Is there any suggestion for an alignment for a Santorin on the Northern side of Sicily? Too much vibration to motor very far. Sabine Stein <s.stein64@...> is asking for help.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

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